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zvezda's 1/350 russian battleship borodino
Posted by steve5 on Friday, January 3, 2020 4:06 PM

my new project the borodino . it's a lot smaller ship , look's a fun build .

the hull halves weren't that great a fit , alot of gaps , but nothing a bit of bog couldn't fix .

the hull halves , weren't that well pinned , I had to put a strip of styrene in to help align them

 

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  • From: Poland
Posted by Pawel on Friday, January 3, 2020 5:35 PM

Hello!

Looks like you know what you are doing!

Those old ships have very interesting looks to them IMO - and give you many chances to show off your detailing skill with all those masts/antennae/lines.

Thanks for sharing, good luck with your build and have a nice day

PaweĊ‚

All comments and critique welcomed. Thanks for your honest opinions!

www.vietnam.net.pl

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Posted by steve5 on Friday, January 3, 2020 10:51 PM

cheers pawel , we'll soon see if I know what I'm doing ,Big Smile

one thing I know , I won't be using the supplied stand , what a mess .

 

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  • From: Tempe AZ
Posted by docidle on Saturday, January 4, 2020 3:22 PM

It's looking good so far Steve. Have you considered a wooden stand instead of the wonky plastic one?

I hope you're no where near the wildfires.

Steve

       

 

 

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, January 4, 2020 4:13 PM

cheers steve , I was never going to use the plastic one , I was just amazed at how bad it was , I'm building a wooden one at the moment . the fires are all around mate , they no sooner put one out and another pyromaniac starts another , I think the smoke is starting to chock new zealand out now , be glad when it rains .

I don't know how I did this , but I managed to splash 2 part epoxy all over the hull , easy fix but shheeeshh .

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, January 4, 2020 6:58 PM

That's a great kit. It goes well with Hasegawa's Mikasa or Zvezda's Varyag.

I found the linked discussion here to be really informative:

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=12304

You also should read The Tsar's Last Armada by Pleshakov. 

I picked up a PE set for mine, I think it was WEM.

Modeling is an excuse to buy books

 

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Posted by 1943Mike on Saturday, January 4, 2020 7:09 PM

Steve,

You're just cruising along!

I'll be dropping by from time-to-time to check out your progress.

Bill mentioned the Mikasa and the Varyag both of which are in my stash and I'm sure your Borodino would look just right along either of the aforementioned kits. I'm just interested in your conquering this kit for the moment. I'm sure you'll do her proud.

Mike

"Le temps est un grand maître, mais malheureusement, il tue tous ses élèves."

Hector Berlioz

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, January 4, 2020 9:47 PM

thank's GM , that model of yours is going to be a hard act to follow , it's beautiful . I just finished the mikasa in 1/200 . will look out for the varyag . the PE is a bit out of my price range $100 for 1 fret , but I do have some generic handrails and ladders , and the wood decking and chain for the anchor . that link looks good , but a lot of the photo's are gone , will read it carefully though .

GM , that rigging on your model look's very fine , can you remember what you used please

mike , nice to know your around , hope you find it interesting mate .

 

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, January 5, 2020 6:45 AM

Looks great!

 

I sure ruined my Borodino.  I used the kit's plastic masts, but rigged it extensively with monofilament.  Looked fine for a week, then change of weather bent masts all out of shape :-(    I may try to replace masts and re-rig, but it will be a job at this point.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, January 5, 2020 8:47 PM

steve5

GM , that rigging on your model look's very fine , can you remember what you used please.

Sure, I still have the model so I double checked.

Its a monofilament fly tieing thread called uni canis. It’s super thin and knots well, unlike most monos.

I’ve tried ez line and the negatives made me dislike it.

Flat, not round. Frays. Melts from CA.

It also fused itself together on its spools.

Bill

 

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Posted by steve5 on Monday, January 6, 2020 12:31 AM

don , sorry to hear about your build mate , the joy's of modeling .

bill , thank's for that , will look into it cheers .

 

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Posted by steve5 on Monday, January 6, 2020 12:48 AM

bill I was just going through my stuff , I forgot I had this , is this the same stuff ?

 

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Posted by steve5 on Wednesday, January 8, 2020 11:54 PM

wood decking went on alright

 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Thursday, January 9, 2020 8:40 AM

steve5

bill I was just going through my stuff , I forgot I had this , is this the same stuff ?

 

I can not understand the size measures for threads- there seem to be several measures.  What does the 6 stand for?  Are there any tables online that show sizes of thread?

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, January 9, 2020 9:08 AM

Several things.

The spool is waxed silk thread. Good stuff, but thicker than most fly tying monofilament.

The size 6/0 is a system called number count. Metric. Beyond that I have no idea what 6/0 means.

Uni Caenis is a monofilament. It's size is in deniers, which is the diameter of thread which weighs #(denier) of grams per 9,000 meters.

Make sense? No, and mislabeling is rampant.

Thread is cheap, so it's worth getting a few to choose from.

But do stay away from cotton, and multi-stranded polyester isn't thin either.

Modeling is an excuse to buy books

 

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Posted by steve5 on Saturday, January 11, 2020 11:24 PM

thankyou bill ,

a bit more done 

 

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Posted by ejhammer on Sunday, January 12, 2020 2:20 PM

Looks great.

I struggled with the decks on my Missouri. I was told to spray water on the decks before applying the self adhesive wood, but the water swelled the wood so along some edges it wouldn't lay down. Took me a long time to let it dry, push down the edges with a tool, trim some edges that just plain wouldn't fit, then, as they were stained blue, touch up any damage to the color.

How did you do it?

EJ

Completed - 1/525 Round Two Lindberg repop of T2A tanker done as USS MATTAPONI, USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa Dec 1942, USS Yorktown 1/700 Trumpeter 1943. In The Yards - USS ESSEX 1/700 Hasegawa 1945, USS ESSEX 1/700 Dragon 1944, USS ESSEX 1/700 Trumpeter 1945, USS ESSEX 1/540 Revell (vintage) 1962, USS ESSEX 1/350 Trumpeter 1942, USS ESSEX LHD-2 as commissioned, converted from USS Wasp kit Gallery Models. Plus 35 other plastic and wood ship kits.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, January 12, 2020 3:31 PM

The decks look great. By the time she got to Cam Ranh Bay the decks were a filthy mess of coal dust, but who'd want that???

The little steam torpedo boats are delightful. I think I wrapped the stacks and boilers of mine with copper foil, just for the heck of it.

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, January 12, 2020 4:22 PM

EJ - l just stuck them on , l have seen a few modelers use white wood glue , as they say the backing glue will let go . Will see how good it is over time l suppose .     Bill - l intend to weather it , but not the decks , l have also never used copper foil before , or any foil for that fact . Not sure if l am game enough to try it .

 

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Posted by surfsup on Friday, January 17, 2020 10:41 PM

She is looking very nice indeed so far. Will be an interesting comparison as I have the Trump Kit of the Tsarevitch.....Cheers Mark

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Posted by steve5 on Sunday, January 19, 2020 3:50 AM

thanks mark looking forward to your build ,

a bit more of the fiddly stuff done , cranes etc .

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, January 19, 2020 9:08 PM

Don Stauffer
I can not understand the size measures for threads- there seem to be several measures. What does the 6 stand for? Are there any tables online that show sizes of thread?

That's "gauge" sizing.  Which all sorts of things use.  Wire screws, sheet metals--all different, too; sometime for the same material.

The gauge uses integer sizing which may or may not have a measured index value.  Gauge sizing uses no fractions, which makes for neat notation (mostly).  As a broad--and very rough--rule, who ever creates the gauge establishes whether it increases with integer value or decreases.

If I remember rightly (and I might not) thread diameter increases as the integer does, so a #5 is larger than a #4.  As you get to the bottom, you hit 0.  Smaller than zero is 00, and 000, and so on.  As digits become to hard to read after three, the notation for zeros is often the count of them.  So, 000000 can be written as 6/0 which is less likely to be confused for 00000 (5/0).

AWG (American Wire Gauge) runs the other way, size increases as the integer decreases.  2/0 wire cable is very stout stuff.

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Posted by gene1 on Monday, January 20, 2020 10:25 AM

Hi Steve, Cheers Mate, Now I am Australian . How are you doing with the fires, that sure is a shame. Your ship is looking great, love the wood decks. I am with you on a lot of aftermarket PE & such. Too darn expensive. At 89 small PE is out. 

        I got off ships for a while & built the big 1/25 General 4-4-0 Locomotive, no rigging or PE ,just a lot of fun. Looks beautuful. I am back on an Oriental Star steam/ sail ship. Nino gave it to me. You sure do beautiful work Steve & I am looking forward to more pictures. 

 I have to get back on my big Victory pretty quick. Had to take a break from that.

                      Gene

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, January 20, 2020 10:39 AM

I don't see much logic to it. Like Cap shows us above. And, fly tying mono can be labeled in "Denier" which is nominally a weight indication. The bigger the number the thicker the thread. A denier is the number of grams that a 9,000 meter length of thread weighs.

Go figure, but at least it's clear which way to read the numbers.

Modeling is an excuse to buy books

 

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Posted by steve5 on Monday, January 20, 2020 11:33 PM

thanks capn , that will come in handy , man you know your stuff .

gene , would love to see your train , did you post pic's .

got some cheap generic A/M railings . 

 

 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, January 21, 2020 8:13 AM

GMorrison

I don't see much logic to it. Like Cap shows us above. And, fly tying mono can be labeled in "Denier" which is nominally a weight indication. The bigger the number the thicker the thread. A denier is the number of grams that a 9,000 meter length of thread weighs.

Go figure, but at least it's clear which way to read the numbers.

 

Then there is no good way to convert denier to diameter!  AWG I get, but I guess I just need to hope my digital calipers are accurate if I try to measure it.  It looks like the diameter should go as the square root of the denier, then, right?

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by scottrc on Tuesday, January 21, 2020 8:44 AM

Hi Steve,

I am pulling up a chair and watching your build log.  I suddenly have this thing for pre-dreadnaughts.  Looking good mate!

Scott

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Posted by steve5 on Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:52 PM

thanks scott , I have built 3 now and have loved doing them all . the fits aren't really great but nothing that can't be overcome . like the join on these mast's was a bit ordinary , drill and fitted a bit of .8mm brass rod , did the trick .

 

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, January 23, 2020 12:17 AM

boats added

 

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Posted by steve5 on Thursday, January 23, 2020 11:21 PM

most of the bits and bobs have been added . one weird thing we have had some rain lately , and all the cranes and cross beams have warped , very strange .

 

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