With me it depends on the location.  Ordinarily I like to put on PE as a last step (especially railings).  However, if the subassembly it goes on is near the center of the ship and hard to reach because it will be surrounded by other stuff, I will add the PE as a last step before mounting the subassembly.  That is after I paint the subassembly.

To give the glue something to stick to through the paint, I use a pinvise and small drill to dimple through the paint at points within the footprint of the PE, and scrape the paint off the PE on its mounting surfaces.

So question for you photo etch guys. Should I paint an object, let's say a turret of the main battery, before glueing on photo etch? Or should I put the photo etch on before painting the gun? 

I bought a new glue for my photo etch. I got Zap SLO-zap ca. Hope it's decent stuff! 

Today I painted the shafts the same color as the hull. The model will be set on the back burner for a few days now due to work being crazy. I go on vacation next week and plan on spending a few days of it working on the KGV. I will be around and wtill post up progression pics when I have them.

GMorrison

Full stop, full speed astern. Masking complex objects is difficult, flat surfaces is easy.

 

Paint the deck. Mask around the base of the furniture and mask the rest of the deck; paint the bumpy stuff.

 

Well that sounds much easier! Hahaha. So go ahead and paint the decking, then once its good and dry, mask the decking around the furniture pieces sticking up and paint them..... Makes much more sense that way. Thanks for saving me a headache!

Never use a built model as a reference unless you are familiar with that builder and there's some provenance provided, as I and others provide.

In fact, many model companies create directions from previous models.

The finish on the bottom of ship models is fantasy in any case. Fresh out of drydock, that's the way I model.

At sea for a while, covered in marine growth.

Bill

GMorrison

  Red like the hull.

 

So the tube that is attached to the screw should be painted the hull red? Just want to make sure i am understanding correctly. After Mac's comment I looked up a bunch of different completed KGV models. Some are like mine, where the tube is painted the same color as the screw. Others the tubes were painted the same color as the hull, and others they were painted in a gray.

BBorBust

Over the next couple of weeks my main task will be masking off the the fore, center, and aft decks of all accents. My goal is to only leave the decking itself showing for better paint application of the deck paint. This will be a daunting task as the deck of the KGV is littered with small pieces. But i will do my best. I am doing this because on my QE build I noticed that when I went back over the deck to paint the little parts that I got quite a bit of the decking paint on these small pieces. Then I would paint them, and end up geting that color on the wood colored decking, then would have to touch that up. It was a real pain.

 

So my new course of action with the KGV is to mask off as much as i can, leaving hopefully just the decking. Then once it is dry, mask off the decking to paint the small parts scattered everywhere on the deck. To keep my sanity, I will probably tackle each section one at time. So i will start with the fore deck, then once it is done take a break and work on some other parts of the model, then come back and do the center deck. So on and so fourth.

 

I sense frustration and sailor talk in my near future. But i am dead set determined on making my KGV an outstanding model, and correcting as many errors as humanly possible that I made on my first model. (the Queen Elizabeth)

 

Paint the deck. Mask around the base of the furniture and mask the rest of the deck; paint the bumpy stuff.

BBorBust

 

 

CapnMac82

There are countless models in museums with brass shafts to the propellors.

On some capital ships a tube connected the shaft struts to the hull boss, which would be painted in hull color.  Others had the shafts pained in bottom color.  Some were in bare metal--which wants finding photos to decide.  KGV could put about 27,000 shaft horespower per shaft, so you needed steel to deliver that 230 rpm to the screws.

Not my kit, not my pick--not a bad way to add color to the fairly anonymous bottom of a ship kit.  (Which ought to have all kinds of aperatures, like the condenser intakes and outputs, for just one example.)

 

 

 

 

Hmm, interesting. I painted it according to Tamiya's instructions. Would repainting it into a gunmetal, or a gray be more accurate?

 

Over the next couple of weeks my main task will be masking off the the fore, center, and aft decks of all accents. My goal is to only leave the decking itself showing for better paint application of the deck paint. This will be a daunting task as the deck of the KGV is littered with small pieces. But i will do my best. I am doing this because on my QE build I noticed that when I went back over the deck to paint the little parts that I got quite a bit of the decking paint on these small pieces. Then I would paint them, and end up geting that color on the wood colored decking, then would have to touch that up. It was a real pain.

So my new course of action with the KGV is to mask off as much as i can, leaving hopefully just the decking. Then once it is dry, mask off the decking to paint the small parts scattered everywhere on the deck. To keep my sanity, I will probably tackle each section one at time. So i will start with the fore deck, then once it is done take a break and work on some other parts of the model, then come back and do the center deck. So on and so fourth.

I sense frustration and sailor talk in my near future. But i am dead set determined on making my KGV an outstanding model, and correcting as many errors as humanly possible that I made on my first model. (the Queen Elizabeth)

CapnMac82

There are countless models in museums with brass shafts to the propellors.

On some capital ships a tube connected the shaft struts to the hull boss, which would be painted in hull color.  Others had the shafts pained in bottom color.  Some were in bare metal--which wants finding photos to decide.  KGV could put about 27,000 shaft horespower per shaft, so you needed steel to deliver that 230 rpm to the screws.

Not my kit, not my pick--not a bad way to add color to the fairly anonymous bottom of a ship kit.  (Which ought to have all kinds of aperatures, like the condenser intakes and outputs, for just one example.)

 

Hmm, interesting. I painted it according to Tamiya's instructions. Would repainting it into a gunmetal, or a gray be more accurate?

There are countless models in museums with brass shafts to the propellors.

On some capital ships a tube connected the shaft struts to the hull boss, which would be painted in hull color.  Others had the shafts pained in bottom color.  Some were in bare metal--which wants finding photos to decide.  KGV could put about 27,000 shaft horespower per shaft, so you needed steel to deliver that 230 rpm to the screws.

Not my kit, not my pick--not a bad way to add color to the fairly anonymous bottom of a ship kit.  (Which ought to have all kinds of aperatures, like the condenser intakes and outputs, for just one example.)

Here is the lower section of the hull completed.

Untitled by Matthew Brumage, on Flickr

Untitled by Matthew Brumage, on Flickr

Untitled by Matthew Brumage, on Flickr

The Queen Elizabeth is done. I spent some time the last couple of days starting on the KGV. As mentioned above I have already drilled out all of the portholes and primed the hull. Yesterday I masked off the upper part of the hull to paint the lower red/brown section. I used 10mm tamiya masking tape for along the edge, and then added 3m blue painters tape over top of that.

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Then I started painting away!

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Meh, overated battlecruiser design that was out of date by 1939.

Build this.

HMS Rodney.

9 16" naval rifles. Firing at flat trajectory, one hit to the face of Bruno turret on Bismark blew it out and the resulting splinters killed most of the personnel on the bridge of Bismark.

Bill

I have not bought the tirpitz yet. As a matter of fact I came across the revell Germany platinum edition tirpitz and decided that I will be buying that one once my KGV is nearing completio. 

Bill, here is an extensive report on an official dive of the POW, intresting read.

https://pacificwrecks.com/ships/hms/prince_of_wales/death-of-a-battleship-2012-update.pdf

If you think the KG V is big, look at the Hood, Iowa, Yamato or even that beast Akagi I'm working on in 1/350, but those are nothing in comparison the the Enterprize kit.

The KGV's were 33% greater displacement than the QE's.

The loss of Prince of Wales is one of the more fascinating, dips head to those lost; epics of modern naval warfare.

She lies in 250 feet of water, is dived on often, and has been extensively studied for the cause of her loss.

I have in my cart right now the Tamiya 1/350 Tirpitz and man i want to pull the trigger on her bad! She over 29 inches long. I feel like i need to slow down and finish up the QE, and start on the KGV. i am hoping to have the KGV done by July/August. The Tirpitz will more than likely be next, or the Missouri, if I can ever find it in stock.

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Matt,

If you haven’t purchased the Tamiya Tirpitz yet, I would hold off. Personally, I would recommend the Revell 1/350 Tirpitz over the Tamiya. The detailing is much better, except for the clunky plastic railings, the fits are good and the molding is newer. The main deck is one piece too which means no cross section seams to deal with.

One of the main drawbacks of the Tamiya Tirpitz and the Bismark is the total lack of detailing of the lower superstructures. The Eduard PE sets spruces it up a bit but why not start with a better model.

Eduard sells a really comprehensive PE set for the Revell model and a railing set too. 

I hope this helps.

Steve

Here is the KGV hull sitting in front of the QE to give an idea of the size difference. Sorry for the bad pic, I didnt realize how much the QE blended in with the box behind her when I took it.

Untitled by Matthew Brumage, on Flickr

So while waiting on the last couple of paints to finish up my Queen Elizabeth, I decided to work a little on the KGV. I drilled out all of the portholes in the hull, and then put down tamiya 6mm masking tape on the inside edges where the deck is glued to the hull. She is ready for primer now.

Untitled by Matthew Brumage, on Flickr

Untitled by Matthew Brumage, on Flickr

CapnMac82

 

BBorBust

I cant believe how much bigger the KGV is next to the QE. It is 3+ inches longer!

 

 

That's three decades' of ship design and technology improvement, at a time when such technology as evolving at a blur.

Part of that was how Dreadnught changing thinking about armament, which changed how armor belts were used, and how much ship you needed to keep all that afloat.

3" at 1/350 is about 90'

 

Yeah the Queen Elizabeth is just over 22 inches long. The KGV is a little over 25 and a half inches long.

I have in my cart right now the Tamiya 1/350 Tirpitz and man i want to pull the trigger on her bad! She over 29 inches long. I feel like i need to slow down and finish up the QE, and start on the KGV. i am hoping to have the KGV done by July/August. The Tirpitz will more than likely be next, or the Missouri, if I can ever find it in stock.

BBorBust

I cant believe how much bigger the KGV is next to the QE. It is 3+ inches longer!

That's three decades' of ship design and technology improvement, at a time when such technology as evolving at a blur.

Part of that was how Dreadnught changing thinking about armament, which changed how armor belts were used, and how much ship you needed to keep all that afloat.

3" at 1/350 is about 90'

I also got to spend a little bit of time working on the hull of the KGV. I drilled out the port side porthole's, and sanded down the seam on the bottom.

I cant believe how much bigger the KGV is next to the QE. It is 3+ inches longer!

Got my book! I flipped through it real quick and looked at a few things, havent had time to really sit down and read it yet.

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The recommendation of Chesneau's KGV book previously mentioned is a good one.   Another name you should know and follow is Alan Raven.    He is a known author on naval camouflage, particularly the Royal Navy practices.    His four volume Warship Perspectives [Royal Navy] Camouflage covers the pre-war to early post-war period.    He describes the Standard Patterns beginning in mid-1944 through the end of the war. 

Standard Scheme A for use on all stations  included B20 on the hull panel,  G45 on the remainder of the hull and superstructure, masts were white, and steel decks were G10.   

See Sovereign Hobbies of the UK for Colourcoat Paints and RN Admiralty painting instructions (1945)

https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/collections/royal-navy-documents/products/royal-navy-camouflage-c-b-3098r-1945-edition-the-camouflage-of-ships-at-sea-ship-painting-guide-extract

There HAS been some speculation that at some point in her service in the Atlantic, USS Juneau might have been painted Mountbatten Pink...

Well, the foremer WEM Colour Coats, being British, for British subject material, are often cited as the best starting place.

You want the published references, though.  First off, you will always learn something new, whic his good for your mental health overall.  And, you often get a more personal view of the ship you are researching, too.  And, in general, you get a definable starting point for which colors were actually used.  (The Admiralty might have decreed a color scheme, but a fleet flagship might have varied from those for various reasons-like having an Admiral aboard.)

Once you can list out the various colors you actually want, you can go online to places like IPMS which will have "equivalent" paint formulas so that you can start from the brand you have to get the result wanted.

Or, you can just go by the box art with what is closest to hand, too--this is your model, not ours, after all.

You could paint the thing pink and lavender and violet if you wanted--the rest of us would be confused a bit, but that would be our problem, not yours.

Yeah I remember looking at that link. And although it was good for color comparisons, you are right, nothing really helping on the question at hand.

But I did take the leap, just ordered that book you mentioned above. I want my KGV to be perfect!

Take a look at my first reply to your QE thread. I found a link to late war colors that would be a good place to start. It does not answer your question directly, but seems to be a good place to start.

Buy this book. It's about $ 15 on Amazon.

Shipcraft 2 - King George V Class Battleships Paperback – February 2, 2016