Doolittle raid hornet 1/350

I can answer you in detail when I get home tomorrow. 
The deck is stained Weather Deck Blue 20B.

Thats a nice model.

USS Hornet CV-8 wore MS-12 Modified for most of her short service life. Haze Gray, Ocean Gray, and Sea Blue were the colors used on all vertical surfaces.

https://www.shipcamouflage.com/measure_12_modified.htm

stikpusher

USS Hornet CV-8 wore MS-12 Modified for most of her short service life. Haze Gray, Ocean Gray, and Sea Blue were the colors used on all vertical surfaces.

https://www.shipcamouflage.com/measure_12_modified.htm

 

The wooden deck was stained, IIRC Norfolk 251.   It's color value would be similar to 5-O Ocean Gray.   No major deck markings, just some alignment lines. 

EdGrune

 

 

stikpusher

USS Hornet CV-8 wore MS-12 Modified for most of her short service life. Haze Gray, Ocean Gray, and Sea Blue were the colors used on all vertical surfaces.

https://www.shipcamouflage.com/measure_12_modified.htm

 

 

 

 

The wooden deck was stained, IIRC Norfolk 251.   It's color value would be similar to 5-O Ocean Gray.   No major deck markings, just some alignment lines. 

 

http://www.modelwarships.com/features/current/hornet-color/hornet-color.htm

This authors conclusion seems to be that the deck was 250-N at the time of her sinking (wood parts). metal parts 20-B. Color back in April? His conclusion seems to be the same, for lack of conflicting evidence.

Bill

From a couple of sources I have decided to go with 250-N for my April 1942 flight deck. I ordered Scale Colors USN Norfolk 250N Flight Deck Stain. For the hanger deck, the best I could come up with is Model Air 71.053 Dark Sea Gray; and white for the walls.

https://scalecolors.com/shop/

So 251 is the lines etc.?

Tankluver, go thru this discussion https://members.boardhost.com/Warship/msg/1597448029.html & especially this https://members.boardhost.com/Warship/msg/1597554152.html

Here is a related question. WWII era USN flight decks are constructed of wood and metal. X amount of planks, followed by a metal  frame with tie down cleats, repeat, from the forward end of the flight deck to the after end. Obviously the wood planking will be in ”Flight Deck Stain”. What color is the tie down cleat framing? Deck Blue? Can stain be used on the metal portions?

will be paint not stain as stain is for prous materials like wood & concrete.

ddp59

will be paint not stain as stain is for prous materials like wood & concrete.

 

That makes sense. So then would the paint on the framing be Deck Blue? My semi educated wild a$$ guess says that...

yes

GMorrison

 

 

EdGrune

 

 

stikpusher

USS Hornet CV-8 wore MS-12 Modified for most of her short service life. Haze Gray, Ocean Gray, and Sea Blue were the colors used on all vertical surfaces.

https://www.shipcamouflage.com/measure_12_modified.htm

 

 

 

 

The wooden deck was stained, IIRC Norfolk 251.   It's color value would be similar to 5-O Ocean Gray.   No major deck markings, just some alignment lines. 

 

 

 

 

Oh, well that's an easy repaint at this stage.

 

http://www.modelwarships.com/features/current/hornet-color/hornet-color.htm

This authors conclusion seems to be that the deck was 250-N at the time of her sinking (wood parts). metal parts 20-B. Color back in April? His conclusion seems to be the same, for lack of conflicting evidence.

 

Bill

 

stikpusher

Here is a related question. WWII era USN flight decks are constructed of wood and metal. X amount of planks, followed by a metal  frame with tie down cleats, repeat, from the forward end of the flight deck to the after end. Obviously the wood planking will be in ”Flight Deck Stain”. What color is the tie down cleat framing? Deck Blue? Can stain be used on the metal portions?

 

I always wondered this as well. I've seen deck kits for the 1/350 carriers and always see them advertised as the wooden deck but when i look at the paint instructions it's the deck blue color. it always confused me And left me asking the question of would it be a wood color or is it stained? 

So far what I've gathered from this is that I'm going to use AK Interactives Deck Blue for my flight deck. Then for the camouflage scheme I'm going to go with a sea blue and a haze gray. When looking down at the kit i was thinking of using a light grey for the top of the island and any exposed parts not covered by the deck blue. Thoughts on this?

All colors are from the AK Interactive sets.

It’s 5-O Ocean Gray with a disruptive pattern of 5-N Navy Blue on the lower hull below the flight deck. From the flight deck up and on the island its 5-H Haze Gray with a disruptive pattern of 5-O Ocean Gray.

stikpusher

It’s 5-O Ocean Gray with a disruptive pattern of 5-N Navy Blue on the lower hull below the flight deck. From the flight deck up and on the island its 5-H Haze Gray with a disruptive pattern of 5-O Ocean Gray.

 

 

 

 

The Doolittle raid paint instructions for trumpeter are calling for the isalnd to be painted with the sea blue as well. That's a very nice photo there is that prior to departure? Not sure why the instructions would make that big of a mistake. Thank you for the photo And clarification !

Go to the NAVSOURCE page on the Hornet

http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/08.htm

There are multiple pix of the Hornet which show the island.  Granted, there  is a color one which shows the island marked in a darker gray.  If you look down on the hull you will see obvious blue waves (along and above the dock level).  Measure 12R is generally blue and Ocean Gray (5O) on the hull and Ocean Gray and Haze Gray (5H) on the superstructure.  On the Hornet, the separation line occurs just below the flight deck level.   

Tankluver

 The Doolittle raid paint instructions for trumpeter are calling for the isalnd to be painted with the sea blue as well. That's a very nice photo there is that prior to departure? Not sure why the instructions would make that big of a mistake. Thank you for the photo And clarification !

If you do enough research on the Hornet, you will probably conclude that the Trumpeter paint instructions are not very accurate; but close enough to make a fine model.

Shipwreck

 

 

Tankluver

 The Doolittle raid paint instructions for trumpeter are calling for the isalnd to be painted with the sea blue as well. That's a very nice photo there is that prior to departure? Not sure why the instructions would make that big of a mistake. Thank you for the photo And clarification !

 

 

 

 

If you do enough research on the Hornet, you will probably conclude that the Trumpeter paint instructions are not very accurate; but close enough to make a fine model.

 

That is the conclusion i was coming to as well! Thanks for the information guys Ive been slowly diving into ship building coming from armor. I find that a lot of trumpeter kits don't give you a unit and time or place on there directions it's a little frustrating to be honest.

Trumpeter instructions- follow them for the build, do your own research for all colors.

Tankluver

paint instructions for trumpeter

Fromm all observations, the person responsible for trumpy's paint instructions involve a ouija board, and an excess of inhaled solvents.

USN was consistent in its use of Deck Blue (or the equivalent stain) through virtually all the Camoflauge Measures.  All horizontal deck surfaces exposed to view above wer so painted.  (Signals platforms would get linoleum for better traction, prewar those were chestnut, during ,they were painted blue.)

The N250 and 20N were nearly the same hue.  The metal decks hled the color pretty well; the wood decks would "wear" a bit.  after staining the revealed color was a charcoal to silver gray.

stikpusher

That makes sense. So then would the paint on the framing be Deck Blue? My semi educated wild a$$ guess says that.

That's a subtle detail that ight be worth chasing on 1/48 or 1/32 deck sections.

The tie-down strips and edge details probably ought to be a tad glossier to scan metallic versus the wooden planking.

For really subtle, the prewar carrier wooden decks were stained a reddish "mahogany" color.  Blue stain did not go down until December 1941.

CapnMac82

For really subtle, the prewar carrier wooden decks were stained a reddish "mahogany" color.  Blue stain did not go down until December 1941. 

They were mahogany indeed... Mahogony with Chrome Yellow markings 

But I think that the Flight Decks were stained blue before then. The switch was made to Blue Gray uppers on carrier based aircraft from overall Light Gray because they stood out from the blue decks and compromised the camo color. This is why the lower surfaces of folding wings visible from above were also painted in the Blue Gray.

I forget, is that CV-6?

The only modern USN aircraft with folding wings of any quantity before about April 1942 were the TBDs.

If you study the photos available of the Doolittle Raid, there were a group of F4F-4s up at the bow earlier in the attack sortie.

Bill

GMorrison

I forget, is that CV-6?

The only modern USN aircraft with folding wings of any quantity before about April 1942 were the TBDs.

If you study the photos available of the Doolittle Raid, there were a group of F4F-4s up at the bow earlier in the attack sortie.

 

Bill

 

 

Yes, that’s The Big E, CV-6. Different shape to the second platform up than CV-5.

The other carrier based USN aircraft with folding wings was the SB2U. I believe than Ranger and Wasp had their VB and VS squadrons equipped with those until summer 1942.

Yes good on you, the Vindicator.

My late folks had a neighbor who was a Marine pilot of same.

Bill

There is one photo of The Hornet with 5 F4F-4 Wildcats on the forward deck, just in case. However, there are other photos of Wildcats mixed in with the B-25s. Supposedly there were 25 more on the hanger deck.

There's an SBD in the mix as well, starboard side about halfway back. Remember at that time the Dauntless was used for CAP as well as scout/ bomber.