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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, December 27, 2021 2:56 PM

The catapult on top of the turret probably had some disadvantages in terms of access, but it had had one real advantage. The plane could be launched into the wind without changing the heading of the ship. Most catapult systems on cruisers and bbs had some means of swinging the catapult arm around to some degree, and in pairs on either side of the ship could cover a lot of bearing.

 

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, December 27, 2021 12:25 PM

ikar01
odd things in the pictures, launching aircraft from the top of the turret

That was common on the "standard" battleships of the inter-war USN.

Turret tops were resistant to many things, and very rigid.  Those early catapaults were driven with black powder charges--so magazine access was handy.  Being near the boat cranes was also handy as well.

The aviators also appreciated the ehight above water to get to flying speeds (early catapaults were a "just barely" fight speed proposition).

ikar01
and the square shape high up looks like it is not sitting right.

May need to include a picture, Arizona--like the rest of the Standard BB had all manner of box shapes "up high."  The "fighting tops were boxy and aligned for less-obvious reasons.  Often there were platforms, former AA platforms on the tops of boat cranes.

So, your description could be of many "bits" on the kit let alone the ship.

And, rest assured, if you get the Pontos detail set, you'd be expected to fold every face of them, with 12 parts when 4 might suffices.

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Posted by EdGrune on Sunday, December 26, 2021 8:19 PM

keavdog

Eduard said they are releasing the 1/350 hobbyboss with PE and brassin in January

Long loading PDF see page 12

https://www.eduard.com/out/media/distributors/leaflet/leaflet2022-02en.pdf

 

 

Review of the Eduard combo kit posted elsewhere "Lipstick on a pig!"

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Posted by ikar01 on Sunday, December 26, 2021 7:39 PM

That monster looks like it's going to cost some.  I noticed a couple odd things in the pictures, launching aircraft from the top of the turret and the square shape high up  looks like it is not sitting right.  Shouldn't it be centered instead of being out so far?

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Posted by keavdog on Sunday, December 26, 2021 5:12 PM

Eduard said they are releasing the 1/350 hobbyboss with PE and brassin in January

Long loading PDF see page 12

https://www.eduard.com/out/media/distributors/leaflet/leaflet2022-02en.pdf

 

Thanks,

John

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Posted by EdGrune on Sunday, December 26, 2021 2:55 PM

2001, IPMS convention in Chicago a few copies of the Banner [as in Red Banner] Arizona 1:350 kit are air freighted in.  The consensus of opinion among the ship modelers present was that the kit was largely a pantograph of the Revell 426 kit.  They fixed some problems and introduced some new ones of their own. 
A bit later the same plastic is re-labeled Trumpeter.  [Red] Banner had a bad connotatio.  Same kit, same issues. 
A year or two later a 'new' 1:350 scale Arizona is on the market under the brand MiniHobby Models.  MHM had already developed a reputation of pirating, copying, rereleasing other peoples work.  Yup, it's the same old Arizona, and checking the company MHM is part of the Banner/Trumpeter group. 
Fast forward another few years, and another 'new' Arizona appears on the Market.  Hobby Boss, part of the Trumpeter family.  Guess what, it's the same plastic

Buy the Banner, Trumpeter, MHM or HB kit.  It will get you to the same starting place

It doesn't help your quest, but the Dragon 1:700 scale premium kit is probably the better kit, but wrong for your scale plans

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, December 26, 2021 2:17 PM

It's going to be fine as is. It'll look right to almost anyone who looks at it.

to me it's like the Monogram big 52.

It wouldn't much look right to you, but to me it would look like a B-52.

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by ikar01 on Sunday, December 26, 2021 1:12 PM

I knew there were a couple reasons why I didn't want to build this ship.  Fortunately I think he wants it to look like it did on the 7th...More or less.  I don't thinkhe's been on or near a real ship, especially a warship, any more than I have, except for a visit when my Father took me to N.Y.C. to visit a wartime friend of his on a liner.

Taking that into consideration I should be able to fudge a detail here and there.

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Sunday, December 26, 2021 12:34 PM

 .  .  . and before you start, figure out just how correct you are going to build it, because the kit is waaaaayyyyy off of correct.

Oh, and what time frame too. ARIZONA went through a bunch of changes during her life span.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Sunday, December 26, 2021 11:49 AM

Remember to not paint the roof of the third turret (the one with a catapaut) red.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Sunday, December 26, 2021 1:36 AM

Ikar, PM Drums about his ordeal with the Arizona. He will have some good tips. Take a look at his build in the Ships of the American GB thread.

https://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/29/t/182307.aspx

Other than that I second both GM and GH's suggestions

Steve

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Posted by goldhammer88 on Saturday, December 25, 2021 11:44 PM

I have the HB one, and IIRC, when I looked it over, it pretty much followed the Revell style of molding the parts.  If you ever built the old Revell, you have an idea of what you get.  Probably way less flash and mold seams.

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Posted by GMorrison on Saturday, December 25, 2021 11:15 PM

Only one choice- Banner/ Hobby Boss.

Its a good enough styrene kit and there is plenty of AM.it's a scale up of the old Revell kit.

The kit is cheap, but it is a time consuming build. If I were to build one on commission, I would guess 100 hours.

One key thing about BB-39 builds is to do some reading.

Bill

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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  • From: Orlando, Florida
New project
Posted by ikar01 on Saturday, December 25, 2021 10:02 PM

I just got off the phone with my friend, a retired Pastor/historian.  He wants me to build a model of the Aiizona in 1/350th scale.  He wanted to know who, if anybody, makes a decent to good model of the ship.I have to figure on some detail kits, deck, barrels and railings at the least for his model.

Amy suggestions who and where they can be found?  I'm thinking Freetime and Spru Brothers, but as far as who makes one of the better kits.....

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