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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Tuesday, June 6, 2006 6:23 PM
 alross2 wrote:

 schoonerbumm wrote:
Thanks to all for the info....  looks like my PT 109 derivative will have to stay in the Pacific.

You can still do an 80' ELCO at Normandy.  RON34 (PT 498-509) was there during the invasion.  There are a number of good photos of some of these boats in Vic Chun's AMERICAN PT BOATS IN WORLD WAR II.  Just keep in mind that these boats were a later series than the Revell kit and will require some surgery if accuracy is a concern.

Al



Just came upon this site which might be of interest. Especially this pic
http://defendersofamerica.org/WWIIPhotos/BPAlbum/FullSize/BP440043.jpg
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Monday, June 5, 2006 5:34 PM
Hang in there Alan, You'll get her sanded soonWink [;)] So, ya went & ordered the Chun's book ay? Kewl!! I have it &  it's got some great pics too. Now the ACF Vol.2 has alot of info on the Vospers. SO, you're chasing down the S-175 ay? That anything like the Badger 175?Tongue [:P]Mischief [:-,]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]
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Posted by schoonerbumm on Monday, June 5, 2006 11:03 AM

Other than being in sanding purgatory, I'm waiting for a copy of Victor Chun's book to see what I'm going to build.

I'm actually considering doing the Vosper kit instead for now to provide a 'matched pair' with the S-boat that I'm building. Most of my research right now is focused on S-175.

cthulhu77's Luft46 S-boat has me intrigued. I've been doing some research on what would a feasible 1946 generation boat would look like....  I'm thinking of radar, a 30 mm. bow gun, a 55 mm. replacement for the 37 mm. and roll off fish.

 

   

Alan

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Monday, June 5, 2006 10:43 AM
sand, sand, sand, sand..... sand, sand, sand, sand.....  $#%&!!  sand, sand, sand, sand....

Alan

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Monday, June 5, 2006 7:56 AM
Alan, How's the research comin' along? Make any headway on this?
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:02 PM
 alross2 wrote:

 schoonerbumm wrote:
Thanks to all for the info....  looks like my PT 109 derivative will have to stay in the Pacific.


You can still do an 80' ELCO at Normandy.  RON34 (PT 498-509) was there during the invasion.  There are a number of good photos of some of these boats in Vic Chun's AMERICAN PT BOATS IN WORLD WAR II.  Just keep in mind that these boats were a later series than the Revell kit and will require some surgery if accuracy is a concern.

Al



I just checked the book & on page 53 shows  PT 504, 503 & 518 from a stern. Page 54 shows a good shot of the port side of 504 taken 2 days after D-Day picking up survivors of the Destroyer Escort RICH
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Posted by alross2 on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 3:50 PM

 schoonerbumm wrote:
Thanks to all for the info....  looks like my PT 109 derivative will have to stay in the Pacific.

You can still do an 80' ELCO at Normandy.  RON34 (PT 498-509) was there during the invasion.  There are a number of good photos of some of these boats in Vic Chun's AMERICAN PT BOATS IN WORLD WAR II.  Just keep in mind that these boats were a later series than the Revell kit and will require some surgery if accuracy is a concern.

Al

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 1:16 PM
 PTConsultingNHR wrote:
As Ed mentioned ...............?  Gee.  Ever heard of Garth, the Invisable Man?  Hmmm. It's that way at work too.  I say it and other people get praised and credited for it ........ Hmmm.  Interesting.
 
Garth 


Hmmm, Garth? Garth who?  Oh, you mention "the Judge Hardcase HardCastle"?Clown [:o)]
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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:11 AM
As Ed mentioned ...............?  Gee.  Ever heard of Garth, the Invisable Man?  Hmmm. It's that way at work too.  I say it and other people get praised and credited for it ........ Hmmm.  Interesting.
 
Garth 
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Posted by Jon_a_its on Wednesday, May 31, 2006 7:16 AM

Maybe no 80' Elcos in RN service,

but i'm *sure* Shy [8)] i saw some pix in one of my d-day refs that weren't HDML's, or  MTB's ..... just can't find it.... doh!

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 4:03 PM
Hello Al, good to see you're dropping in on us G/BersBig Smile [:D] and setting us straight on the facts when neededSmile [:)] Thanks.
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Posted by alross2 on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 3:48 PM

That's primarily because there weren't any 80' ELCOs in RN service... :-}  The 70' and 77' ELCOs were used by the RN and, as Ed mentioned, there is material on them all in ACF V2.  The 70' and 77' types are somewhat similar in plan and profile to the 63' BPB HSL kit.  Converting this kit to either ELCO or a 70' BPB type would involve major surgery and extensive scratch-building. 

 Al

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:55 AM
Thanks to all for the info....  looks like my PT 109 derivative will have to stay in the Pacific.

Alan

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Posted by Al Gunthwaite on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 11:33 AM

The book Mediterranean MTBs at War (L C Reynolds & H F Cooper) has some interesting info on RN Elcos.

It seems that  PTs 10 to 19 (USN MTB Squadron 2 - 70' Elcos) were transferred to the RN and became MTBs 259 to 268. The book suggests that these RN 70' Elcos still hold the record for the fastest transit through the Suez canal en route to the Med.

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Tuesday, May 30, 2006 6:21 AM
Yes, the RN had a few 78 foot Higgins PTs and quite a few of the 70 and 77 foot Elcos ... And, prior to our entering the war - they had some 70 foot Higgins built MGBs and MRBs ...
 
I believe the RN turned the 78 foot Higgins over to the Polish after a time.
 
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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Monday, May 29, 2006 6:08 PM
Alan, while looking thru "allied Coastal Forces vol.2" I found some info on MGB-87,88 &91. They are 70 foot Elcos ex-PTC 6,7 & 10 respectfully. on page 115 (of ACF) shows a pic of MGB-91 taken in  the summer of 1941 while attched to  the 7th MGB floatilla. She still retains  the Delaware turrets and appears to be painted white overall. I've searched  the 'net. No joy. My suggestion is contact Al Ross (you'll find his post in the G/B thread) Send him an email or PM. I'm sure he'll be able to help ya out.

hth,
Eddie

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Posted by schoonerbumm on Monday, May 29, 2006 5:31 PM

been there... done that... but I still lack the answers that I seek.

I watch the GB threads daily, but I haven't found any usable info on 80' Elcos in British service. Several PT sites reference lend lease PTs, but with contradictory info relative to the numbers and type of Elcos.

 

Alan

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Posted by Hippy-Ed on Monday, May 29, 2006 11:47 AM
 Jon_a_its wrote:

Schoonerbumm, have a look at The 2006 Patrol Torpedo Boat group build

about a 100 questions of yours could be answered, & another 100 raised!

enjoy

Jon UK



Sign - Ditto [#ditto] You'll find plenty of answers there & you are signed up for the G/B iircBig Smile [:D]
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Posted by Jon_a_its on Saturday, May 27, 2006 7:29 AM

Schoonerbumm, have a look at The 2006 Patrol Torpedo Boat group build

about a 100 questions of yours could be answered, & another 100 raised!

enjoy

Jon UK

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Coastal Forces Elcos
Posted by schoonerbumm on Saturday, May 27, 2006 1:20 AM

Researching my S-boat build I stumbled across a piece describing the shipping of 29 Elcos and a handfull of Higgins to Coastal Forces under lend lease.

On 15 March 1942, three of the Elcos (MGB.87, MGB.88 and MGB.91) ambushed and shot up an S-boat which then surrendered (presumably S-111) but subsequently the Elcos were attacked by a gaggle of S-boats and had to abandon their prize which was on the verge of sinking. In the ensuing gunfight, the Elcos were low on ammo and were outnumbered but managed to escape under smoke and fog. MGB.91 had a mechanical breakdown and was badly shot up but managed to creep home after losing her antagonists in a fog bank.

I've started both my PT Boat and Schnellboote. I would rather build a Brit Elco if I can find photos or references.

Do any of you Coastal Forces buffs have any Elco data?   

Thanks in advance.

Alan

 

Alan

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