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Posted by Allyn on Saturday, September 26, 2020 3:51 PM

A beautifully crafted model of the CLEVELAND. I'm working on one now. Sadly, I don't have the tools (or ability!) to remove the accommodation ladders, so I'm having to just deal with them.

There is one mistake on your model which could be easily correct: the aft funnel was not painted blue all the way down to deck level. It was white at the base, which visually balanced the stack with the forward funnel, which sat on a white deck house. Google either the PRESIDENT CLEVELAND or WILSON and you'll see relevant photos.

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Posted by onyxman on Thursday, February 26, 2015 8:44 AM

Probably confused the crew as to which way they were going.

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Posted by DUSTER on Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:46 AM

GMorrison

Recently de-classified documents show that the ship was a test bed for the super secret "bow rudder".

is that like the dazzle camouflage ? to confuse the enemy as to which direction it was going?

Steve

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 1:58 PM

Recently de-classified documents show that the ship was a test bed for the super secret "bow rudder".

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by onyxman on Wednesday, February 25, 2015 8:31 AM

I'll send you some of the photos I collected. I have them around because I just responded to somebody else who contacted me about this kit. One would think that Lindberg could have at least updated the decal sheet for the re-issue. It can't be that hard if I did it!

The major flaw is the area back aft. As built, the ship had cargo hatches fore and aft of that last mast. Then they eliminated the aft most hatch and made it passenger accommodation. At the end, they cut off that mast altogether. But the kit doesn't seem to apply to any of those modifications. I fit it all together as best I could, but it's not accurate.

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Posted by GMorrison on Tuesday, February 24, 2015 10:42 AM

Thanks, Fred. Will do.

This is a really good looking model, yours I mean.

Lindberg got a nice hull shape, although I'm sure when I get into it all kinds of discrepancies like you noted will show up.

Can you mention any source material? Did you work from photos?

Its weird about the decals. Way too big. At first I wondered if the stacks were molded too small, but they seem to scale out ok.

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Posted by onyxman on Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:25 AM

I still see reissued kits at Hobby Town. PM me or send me an email if you still have my address, re decals.

That big model showed up again in an article in the Tacoma paper if I recall correctly. I'll try to dig it up.

Fred

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, February 23, 2015 2:50 PM

onyxman

Thanks all. Yes, this is a dog of a kit, but I think we should start building some of these old ones before they start deteriorating. The plastic on this one seemed to be getting pretty brittle.

I agree and just picked one up for $ 29.99 at a hobby store that I just discovered near my new home.

Maybe it got re-popped by Round 2? The kit looks pretty new to me.

Is there any way to salvage the stack decals? Cut out the Eagles and paint the red band?

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Posted by jwsmeteor on Thursday, July 17, 2014 1:13 PM

Whatever happened to the 24 foot long model?  

Very interested since I was on this ship in 1954 and have fond memories!!

John

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Posted by onyxman on Friday, November 20, 2009 8:55 AM

See my email.

Fred

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Posted by poseidon588 on Thursday, November 19, 2009 5:35 PM

Hi-  Was wondering if you would be willing to make a couple ofsets of the decals for the funnels.  Willing to pay for your time and materials.  Let me know.  Thanks

 

Scott

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Posted by poseidon588 on Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:17 PM
Hi- Sorry getting back to you soo late.  Thank you for getting back to me on those Funnel decals. These will be really helpful.   I will give it a try.  Will be in touch.
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Posted by onyxman on Saturday, November 7, 2009 8:46 AM

See if that works better. Maybe you can copy this right off this screen?  The trick is to print them on plain paper until you have the size adjusted correctly.  When you cut them out, put a little curve into the top and bottom borders.   Use the white decal paper.  Print a bunch of extras in case you mess up.  Of course you have to seal them with decal sealer.  I think there is a tutorial on here somewhere about making decals.

Fred

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Posted by onyxman on Friday, November 6, 2009 9:16 PM
Poseidon

I created the stack decals on 'Paint' on my computer. Then I printed them on Testors decal paper. I made quite a few extras, but I sent them all away to people who wanted them. I think I still have the computer file though so I could email it to you and you could fool around with it yourself. It took me a lot of fiddling to get the size right on the printer. Maybe somebody who is more computer skilled could do it easier.

The kit's decals are junk, they don't even begin to fit on the stacks. Lindburg has a lot of nerve to re-issue this without even fixing the decals. If a dummy like me could do it, certainly they could find somebody to do a better job.

Fred

They should look like this:
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Posted by poseidon588 on Friday, November 6, 2009 3:26 PM

Hi- New here.  Really enjoyed your model of President Cleveland.  Wondering if you have any tips on how to make those decals for the funnels?  I just recently purchased this model and , like you am inspired to do an over haul.  Thanks for your time.

 

Poseidon588

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Posted by onyxman on Saturday, July 18, 2009 4:19 PM
Mine was the old Life-Like issue.  I got it at Skyway in Seattle.  I think it was $40. That was before the re-issue.  As built there should be a cargo hatch aft of the last mast.  The kit is wildly inacurate back there.  If you want to build her as built new, most of that aft superstructure should be deleted, but if you keep it you should skip the last set of booms.  Eventually they cut off that last mast altogether.
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Posted by tankerbuilder on Friday, July 17, 2009 3:29 PM
 HEY - ONYXMAN whered you get your ship ??? I only paid 23.00 for mine new ,less than 2 months ago . tankerbuilder . Whatever you do if you do a dio ., remember the ladders would be above not below the waterline !! I took mine off too .The faithful DREMEL showed how well the bow and stern bulwarks can be thinned . Being somewhat pearlescent the plastic told me when it was right.Looks great too .I,ll talk about her more ,gotta go to work on a clients project . tankerbuilder
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Posted by tankerbuilder on Friday, July 17, 2009 3:16 PM
 HEY ONYXMAN -Thats a fine looking rendition of that ship .I am going to go a little further and then I,ll take one and convert it to MATSON NAVIGATION,S "LURLINE !!!
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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, April 12, 2008 3:24 PM

The old Pyro kit is on the list of those being re-released by the newly rejuvenated Lindberg:  http://www.lindberg-models.com/water_model77224.html

Personally, I haven't bumped into any of the "new" Lindberg kits in the stores - but eastern North Carolina is hardly the best place to look.  I have no idea whether this particular kit has actually been put on the market yet - or, if not, when it will be.  Or, for that matter, how much it will cost.  But I think it's safe to assume it won't cost $120.00.

I'm pretty confident in asserting that there's no other plastic President Lines kit.  (The grand total number of plastic ocean liner kits ever released can just about be counted on your fingers and toes.)  Nor have I ever heard of a wood or resin version.  (Ocean liner kits aren't exactly common in those media either.)  There is, however, another world out there of companies that manufacture tiny 1/1200 and 1/1250 cast metal ship models - warships, freighters, liners, cruise ships, and just about everything else.  I suspect at least one of those manufacturers may well have one of these ships in its line.  I don't know much about that phase of the hobby, but if you're interested here's a place to start looking:  http://www.steelnavy.com/1250home.htm

Good luck.

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Posted by onyxman on Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:22 AM

bsk, that is the kit that I built and is shown at the beginning of this thread. It was originally a Pyro product, then Life-like, then Lindburg. If you want one now, I think you could do better than $120 by searching eBay. They seem to go for roughly half that price. I paid $40 for mine. However, there is a rumor that the kit will be re-issued soon, so you might want to wait a while.

To my knowledge, there is no other kit in wood or any other scale.

Fred

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Posted by bsk on Saturday, April 12, 2008 9:10 AM

My dad emigrated to the U.S. aboard the President Wilson around 1953.  He passed away last summer.  I would like to build a model of the President Wilson.  I found this model:  http://www.oldmodelkits.com/index.php?detail=3675&searchtext=cleveland  I think it's the same one that you used by Life-Like.  Are there any other/better/wooden versions?

Thanks,

BK

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:50 PM

dwblackwell - 

Your remarks are deeply appreciated, but you give me too much credit.  Some of those old steamship models did require a fair amount of attention (a couple of them had to have virtually all of their rigging replaced), but most of them were actually in pretty good shape when I got there (in 1980).  And some of them had problems that, in practical terms, couldn't be solved - sometimes because of the acts of previous generations of museum staff. 

One of the biggest projects was the big model of the S.S. America.  That model (which is about 18 feet long, if I remember right, and was built in the late thirties) was in reasonably good shape structurally, but for some reason or other most of the paint on it was falling off.  Rejuvenating the paintwork was beyond the capacity of the facilities we had in the museum, or the time we could devote to it, so we farmed the job out to a couple of excellent local modelers, Marvin Bryant and Paris Aiken (both of whom, sadly, are now deceased).  Beyond making the recommendation that the Museum hire Paris and Marvin to do the work, I had nothing to do with that project.

The "President Hoolidge" model, as I recall, just needed some light cleaning and the replacement of a couple of frayed rigging lines - and, if I remember correctly, a loose davit fall hooked back onto a lifeboat.  The biggest part of that project consisted of getting the model out of its case and back into it.  That was the most ridiculously-designed exhibit case I've ever seen.  It had a plate glass vitrine (i.e., transparent box) with a stainless steel frame, which was bolted to the table on which the model sat.  To open the case the vitrine, which weighed several hundred pounds, had to be lifted straight up.  Fortunately the head janitor remembered that a couple of heavy steel lifting straps had been made for the purpose, and could be bolted to the sides of the frame.  Opening that case and closing it again took three guys the better part of a day.  Two of them stood on tall step ladders working rented chain hoists hooked between the ceiling joists and the lifting straps, lifting the vitrine an inch at a time while I stood in the middle making sure they were both lifting at the same speed.  We had it about halfway up when the director of the museum walked through on his way back from lunch.  When he saw that big glass box hanging precariously over that model he turned three shades of white, turned his back, and disappeared into his office.  I didn't blame him.

The saddest case was a superb Japanese freighter.  Most of those old builders' models have metal fittings plated with nickel.  (That was partially a matter of style, and partially one of practicality.  Those fittings typically were made up of finely-machined parts, soldered together.  Prior to the middle of the twentieth century - or later - commonly available paints couldn't be applied to such parts without obscuring the details, so the modelers resorted to plating in order to make the whole fitting a uniform color - even if it wasn't the same color as the real thing.)  The fittings of that Japanese model were plated with gold.  They were, that is, until a curator at the museum, scoffing something to the effect that "you don't see ships sailing around with gold ventilators and railing stanchions," spray painted them all black.  We couldn't do much for that one; stripping the paint off without damaging the plating looked like a hopeless task.  (Maybe a better methodology than what we had at our disposal is available now; I hope so.)  In defense of our predecessors, it deserves to be noted that the modern conservation ethic hadn't really been formulated at that time - or at least hadn't made its way into maritime museums.  But by modern standards such treatment of such a valuable artifact borders on obscenity.  (Paintings conservators in art museums and conservation labs spend most of their time undoing the work of previous generations of conservators.  The problem isn't quite as severe in three-dimensional artifacts, but it does come up all too frequently.)

The project that made me the happiest was a large-scale model of a nineteenth-century lightship.  The model was built for the U.S. Centennial Exhibition at Philadelphia in 1876.  By modern standards it was a rather crude model; the fittings for adjusting the "lights" were made from ladies' earrings, and the "glass" in the lamp housings was made out of mica.  We restored this one according to modern conservation principles - i.e., we didn't try to "improve" on the origina, but rather did our best to return it to its original, as-built configuration. 

Tracking down the sheets of mica to replace the damaged panes in the lamp housings was an interesting little project in itself.  I had no idea where to start, but I vaguely remembered my father telling me that the worst whupping he ever got from my grandfather came when Dad broke a little piece of mica in the viewing port in the family's wood stove.  So I started calling wood stove dealers.  The first three had no idea what I was talking about.  The fourth one said, "Well, I guess I could sell you some mica all right, but if you want to buy mica why don't you call the mica factory, you turkey?"  I wonder if I was the only person in town who didn't know there was a mica factory in Newport News - and that the owner of the factory lived nextdoor to the director of the Mariners' Museum.  (The guided tour of the mica factory I got that afternoon was pretty interesting - and the sales rep gave me several dozen sheets - free of charge.)

The three years I spent at that museum were among the most interesting of my life, and I'm extremely glad to have had the experience.  The Mariners' Museum and I parted company under less-than-pleasant circumstances, which I don't like to remember these days.  I'd undoubtedly be healthier if I forgot about them, and discussing them here would accomplish absolutely nothing.  I haven't set foot inside the museum for well over ten years; my wife says she can see my blood pressure going up whenever we get within a mile of the place.  For me to comment on its current management and/or exhibitions, about which I know next to nothing, would be unfair on my part.

I also wouldn't feel right about commenting any further about the President Cleveland model we've been discussing, in the absence of any photos or more detailed information about it.  But it sure does sound like an interesting model - and quite possibly an important one.

Sorry to wander so far from the topic of the thread - but I've got a big soft spot in my heart for grand old merchant steamship models.

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Posted by dwblackwell on Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:55 PM

Wow- Your efforts at restoration on those models certainly enhanced the collection. I spent quite a bit of my time at the museum looking at those beautiful builder's models and drooling like a Saint Bernard. My heartfelt congratulations on a superb job. Sorry to hear the management degraded. I am sure their ambitous Monitor exhibit is really burning through the available resources, but it is an important artifact. I was very impressed overall with the museum, no matter the circumstances. It seems like it doesn't get the recognition it should for having the collection it does. I have tried to give it word-of-mouth promotion every chance I get. Enlightened management is all we can hope for unless we win the lottery and buy it outright.

Getting back to the matter at hand- are there any images of this S.S. President Cleveland model we can look at? I am sure the images would help galvanize support for an acquisition scheme. It would be a treat to see it in a museum.

D. Blackwell MMC(SS), USN, Retired

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, March 28, 2008 2:51 AM

I used to work at the Mariners' Museum, and those grand old builders' models were among my favorite responsibilities.  I was lucky enough to do some restoration work on most of them. 

If this model is indeed the builder's model of the President Wilson/President Cleveland, nobody would be happier than I to see the MM acquire it.  In view of the way the museum has been operating in the (considerable) time since I left, I'm not optimistic.  But I'd be delighted to be proven wrong.  New management has taken over the place fairly recently; maybe its policy is more enlightened than that of its recent predecessors.

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Posted by dwblackwell on Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:51 PM
Speaking as someone who had the pleasure of having the SS President Cleveland carry my young 9 year old pink rear end across the Pacific in 1966, I am fully in favor of preserving this model to show what used to be a viable (and civilized) transportation method back in the day. The Mariner's Museum in Newport News has a world-class collection of builder's models of some really significant ships. Here's another candidate (if it is done to the same standards as the models already in residence there). The question is funding to transport the beast to a museum that will appreciate and preserve it. We need to step in and save it. Let me know what I can do to help preserve it, since I failed to preserve the real thing. David Blackwell, MMC(SS), USN, Retired

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:50 PM

Maybe.  (And if so, that doesn't necessarily negate - or even reduce - the value of the model.  If, for instance, it was built by a sailor who served on board the ship, it's a hugely valuable artifact.)

It's also conceivable that it is a builder's model, and was built before the name was assigned to the ship.  That would explain why there's no name on the stern.

At the museum where I used to work we had a huge model of the sister ships President Coolidge and President Hoover.  (That particular model was built in the museum's model shop, which functioned back in the thirties and forties, and was funded by Newport News Shipbuilding and Dry Dock - which built the two ships.  So it was, in a sense, a builder's model.)  It had "President Hoover" painted on one side of the bow and "President Coolidge" on the other.  It was known effectionately as The Hoolidge.  I can't for the life of me remember what, if anything, was painted on the stern.  It may well have been blank.

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Posted by onyxman on Thursday, March 27, 2008 3:16 PM

Ooops! You are correct. I looked at the same website but under the wrong ship (the President Roosevelt).

The other yellow light might be that the stern is unfinished. Sounds like it could be a home project.

 

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:09 PM

If those are the dimensions of the model itself, it is indeed on an enormous scale for a builder's model.  The typical scale for those things seems to have been 1/48.  There are, however, no hard and fast rules about such things.  It's entirely possible that the model was built to fit in a particular place in somebody's office or showroom.

There's a yellow light flashing in my head about those dimensions, though.  If the model is 24 feet long and 4 feet wide, either the real ship was extremely fat for her length or the model's proportions are distorted.

A web source that I checked (  http://www.apl.com/history/timeline/stat7.htm#pw2 ) gives her an overall length of 609' 5 3/4" overall, and a beam of 75'6".  Those dimensions don't check with the stated dimensions of the model. 

Maybe it isn't a scale model - or is it possible that the dimensions include a display case?  We really need some pictures in order to comment intelligently on this artifact.

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Posted by onyxman on Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:22 AM
The LOA of the President Cleveland was 623 ft. If this model is 24 ft long, that works out to be a scale of 1/26th? Always check my mathSmile [:)]  Does that sound like a reasonable scale for one of these builder's models?
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