MIG productions washes

Yes, they will attack enamels; lacquers like Tamiya crylic laquers are totaly safe with them.

MIG Productions specifically specifies that they can only be used with acrylic paints or Tamiya "arylics"-which are, in reality, a type of lacquers. If you use them over enamels, you'll have to use a barrier coat.

You should also know that MIG pre-made washes are made with an enamel carrier; they take much longer to dry than a normal spirits wash, and will dry slightly glossy. Their "Thinner for Washes" is also an enamel--and possibly linseed oil mixture? IT acts differently than regualr mineral spirits.

i paint the majority of everything i build with either Testors lacquers or the Tamiya lacquers as far as bodies go. i'm primarily a car and truck builder if that helps understand where i'm coming from with this question. most of the time my chassis are painted with Krylon spray paint,flat black or semi-flat black. i'm still getting used to Tamiya's acrylic's and sometimes still struggling with working with them. they seem to like to "tack" up rather quick and don't have alot of open time.

i really, really like the Mig pigments and they work very well either wet or dry for different effects. when i saw the pre-mixed washes i thought i'd give them a shot but thankfully the hobbyshop had a small brochure there on them and i read the warning. still i'd like to give them a shot and see what i can do with them, especially for engine and drivetrain detailing where i think washes are a very important part of making them look more realistic. anyone ever used them over Testors metalizers?

Dave

I see, Dave.

I wouldn't recommend them over any solvent-based paint like enamels, or Testor's lacquers without a barrier coat. Over Metallizer? Hmmm; don't know, but honestly I wouldn't try it. Metlallizer is known to be a pretty fragile paint, is it not? Don't knwo anything about Krylon properties.

I agree with you about weathering chassis--here's a few shots of mine, done with Tamiya paints, regular oil paint washes, MIG pigments, and drybrushings of craft paints.

Tamiya paint is not a good brushing paint, but as a base for extreme weathering, it can't be beat. You might be better served to learn its idiosyncrasies and use it for models where you want to really beat them up with weathering effects.

very nice weathering on the chassis!

here are a few examples of what i've done using the pigments dry. i used it wet as a wash on the last project i did, a '49 Mercury and the results were subtle, but very realistic and just what i was after. i want to pick up some more colors to use.

the Testors metalizers are pretty tough when top coated with dullcote or the sealer. the dullcote seems to take washes and application of streaks and stains better.

Dave

Some excellent work there yourself, Dave! I can just hear that door creaking as it's wrenched open! LOVE IT!

I'd say you've got a pretty good thing going already--you have some great results there.

Dullcoat is a pretty "toothy" finsih, so it would take weathering effects very well. A lot of these guys who use Future on top of their finishes don't undersatnd when they can't get good weathering results. You need that flat finish,

I guess your next move would be to experiment? MIG has a nice "Oil and Grease Stains" premixed wash that I just picked up. Good luck in your endeavors!

By the way, you might want to check out my Nomad here on the site if you're a subscriber for some "uber-weathering" tips! 

http://www.finescale.com/fsm/default.aspx?c=a&id=3207

and...

http://www.finescale.com/fsm/default.aspx?c=a&id=3208

Hi

Can MIG pigments be used directly on top of Tamiya TS spray paints, or do you need to seal it first ?, If so, whats the best thing to seal it with ?

Thanks

sparkies

I am going to have to give these a shot.  I am not impressed with the Pro Modeler washes I tried.  Seems the pigments don't blend well in its own solution.  Of course, I could always go back to making my own washes.

all enamel based wahes and filters will possibly attack enamel paint. that is why it is reccommended to only use over acrylic. Some people put an acrylic clear coat over the enamel paint and then use the washes, but I would not reccommend it.