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How to create weathered propellers...
Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Saturday, September 14, 2013 1:15 PM

I came acoss an article in August 2013 issue of Model Airplane International magazine on how to create weathered propeller blades on a Spitfire. I don't know what are your methods are but having done it myself, the results are pretty impressive and very easy to do. If your prop blades are needed to be assembled, do so before doing this. This can be achieved with any WW2 Allied aircraft props with spinners to be assembled later - in this case a Spitfire, P-47 Thunderbolt, or a P-51 Mustang.

 

**** For the record, I used acrylic paint to achieve this.

 

1 - Airbrush the propeller in aluminum. Let dry.

2 - Airbrush the tips yellow. Let dry.

3 - Measure and tape off the tips on each props to keep it uniform. Airbrush the blades flat black and let dry for an hour. Next, a very dilute mid grey thinned with 90% alcohol and 10% paint is applied from the center of each prop blade. This gives a little more volume to the otherwise 'flat' appearance. Let dry.

*** I like to it let dry overnight before proceeding to the next step. ***

4 - Using a very sharp blade, I carefully remove the black, thus revealing the aluminum color beneath to reproduce the chips seen in this area. Do be careful not to press too hard with the blade otherwise you will ruin the metallic paint as well.

Once you get the hang of it, this will so simple ye,t realistic weathering technique - even a caveman can do it (sorry, I couldn't resist! LOL!)

5 - The final step of weathering on the prop blades is to use a watercolor pencil in metallic shade to refine the paint chips. Once you're happy with the results, apply with a coat of clear gloss and let dry overnight.

Apply decal stencils to the prop blades as directed and finish off with a coat of clear flat.

 

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, September 15, 2013 10:35 AM

I have painted metal props black and then dry brushed aluminum on the leading edges to simulate the abrasion of the paint.  The chips on props I have seen are so small you would not see them on smaller scales, so the chips are probably best on larger scales.  The abrasion would be okay on most medium scales.

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Posted by Tankster on Monday, September 16, 2013 11:09 AM

Another easy way would be to apply some liquid mask on the edges with a fine brush on top of the aluminum base coat.  Let it dry and then airbrush the prop color and brush off the liquid mask with an old toothbrush.  

Its easy and you dont' have to worry about using a blade to scratch off anything.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, September 16, 2013 11:20 AM

Another effect that I've seen on blades was the paint was literally worn off of the leading edges over time. I was a Huey crewchief for about 8 years and noticed this particularly on the tail rotor blades. I usually paint the blades aluminum like what was mentioned, paint the desired color and rub the finish back down with my finger until the aluminum base coat starts to show. This works for me with all aluminum based blades.

                   

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, September 16, 2013 2:39 PM

Be aware that most Spitfire props were made of wood, with only the leading edge covered by a thin sheath of brass.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Monday, September 16, 2013 2:44 PM

That's good info Jack! What was the leading edge of the Lufwaffe wooden props lined with? I'm building a Fw190 D9 and don't know if it was straight wood or a metal of some sort.

                   

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, September 16, 2013 6:30 PM

mustang1989 - before getting to your question, I should correct my statement about Spitfires.  "Most" is a bit too all encompassing, and should have said 'many'.

Now to the Dora,  I've never come across any construction details for German wooden props.  What is interesting though, several times I've seen it mentioned that the Jablo method of prop blade construction was copied from the Germans before the war.  So in that regard it should have some sort of metal sheath on the the leading edge. 

Found the above photo which seems to confirm, but no idea what year or type of aircraft.  War shortages too might have a bearing on availability of metal, here too I'm not sure how vital it was for the metal sheath to be present.  I'll post on another forum, as this is an interesting question.

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Posted by GMorrison on Monday, September 16, 2013 6:39 PM

Also I believe that whatever chipping there would be was mostly on the back side and the edge, not the front (seen from in front). That's the surface that encountered the air.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:45 AM

Good call Jack. I questioned why would they even try to weather Spitfire props when they're made of wood. Now it all make sense with the brass edges. I knew Bf-109s and maybe FW 190s were made of wood from my own research but wondered how they can be weathered when the color usually calls for Black Green props.

Question - how and what cause the props be chipped from the back side?

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Posted by mustang1989 on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 9:55 AM

Just as a quick answer to that prop question. The pitch of that blades are angled so that the rear of the blade does the pulling. Angled as such the back side catches most of the debris damage. I've seen it on  both sides of a tail rotor blade on a helicopter but the pitch is constantly being changed on those for turning so when landing the dirt and grass will hit both sides.

                   

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:11 PM

Looking at the Spitfire prop provided by Jack, is it possible the metal sheath edges is slightly visable with the black on the real prop? Or were they painted over?

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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:34 AM

The sheath, along with the whole prop blade,  was covered in a black plastic material.  It might be visible, depending on the scale you are working on.  In the photo below,  from PrimePortal, can clearly see it. This prop though is post war, as Rotol did not have their logo present back then.

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I've not much more to add about the German props.  I'll just post the link instead of copy/paste.  The response to the importance of the sheath was particularly interesting:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234946790-german-wood-prop-construction/

regards,

Jack

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:42 AM

Now I see the sheath in the photo, then it is 'possible' chipping can be found on the leading edges of the prop blades. I, too have seen photos of some Spits (as well as Bf-109's & FW 190s) of prop blades sheared off due to wheels up landings.

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Posted by Compressorman on Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:05 PM

"Be aware that most Spitfire props were made of wood, with only the leading edge covered by a thin sheath of brass."

 

Wow, didnt know that! I would not have thought that wood could have withstood the power of a WWII fighters engine.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 9:06 AM

I believe only the earliest Spitfires had the wood props.  They were fixed pitch and that limited performance.  They soon equipped them with metal, adjustable pitch props.

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Posted by jgeratic on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 1:20 PM

I don't think the engine/propeller history of the Spitfire can be summed up in a few sentences, but I can find evidence of wood right through to 1945 by way of crash photos.

There is this poster ad, dating from 1945 - Jablo supplied blades to Rotol, who in turn  made complete prop assemblies for Spitfire assembly plants.

  

There is this interesting article of Rotol creating a constant speed prop made of wood, dated May 23rd, 1940:

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/hurricane/Flight_Rotol_23_May_1940.pdf

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Nathan T on Friday, September 27, 2013 7:33 PM

Dora prop blades were all wood. As far as I know didn't have a metal leading edge...

 

 

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Posted by AndrewW on Monday, September 30, 2013 8:11 AM

looking at Blacksheep's description of technique, I have done this same technique in the past, though after spraying down the metal color I've laid in a layer of gloss, just one more layer to protect and not scrape through.  I also use the backside of my knife for the scraping.  The other technique I've tried and had success with is dabbing on paint with a scotch bright pad, very gently.

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Monday, September 30, 2013 8:30 AM

Oh that technique is even better! Thanks for the heads up AndrewW. I'm gonna try one techique using a steel wool to gently peel off the black. I've got a spare prop handy to try it on anyways.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, September 30, 2013 9:03 AM

Dry brushing a silver or aluminum on the leading edge is an alternative method to simulate erosion from dust and dirt as opposed to large "chips", and is quick and easy to do.

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Posted by jgeratic on Monday, September 30, 2013 1:28 PM

From what I've read, for those propellers that are finished with a black plastic coating, the first sign of wear would be the loss of the sheen.   Any chipping would be along the leading edge and the backsides.  The area near the tips would be more prone, and trail off moving towards the nose.

Ground crews would be very diligent about the health of the prop,  any suspect blades would be replaced  well before the wood itself is exposed.

Just brainstorming here, but some possible explanation of nicks on the front could be  from  a head on pass from an enemy fighter, defensive fire (such as from a bomber), or flying through shrapnel which might happen in the ground attack role.  Any thoughts?

regards,

Jack

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Posted by Stick78 on Monday, September 30, 2013 3:33 PM

I believe the Stuka, Ju 87 prop blades are of a laminated or ply wood design.  I have seen pictures from after the war that show were the prop blades were blown off with an purposely set explosive charge by the Americans.  They did not want any unauthorized flights, so this was the easiest way the render the aircraft unusable.  

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Posted by AndrewW on Tuesday, October 1, 2013 5:05 PM

Don, I agree, and I've had success with drybrushing as well.  I've generally dabbed a little bit of paint (almost dry) with a course scotchbrite, then drybrushed over top of that so it wasn't so 'stark', just to tone it down.

Blacksheep, glad I could help, hope it works for you.

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Posted by blackdog62 on Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:02 PM
Looks like I'm redoing the weatherd metal look on 109g

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Tuesday, October 1, 2013 11:55 PM

Having done the prop flat black then go back with a light coat of dark gray, it does really give it a more realistic dull black look as opposed to straight up flat black. Photo to follow soon...

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:02 AM

I almost never use pure "flat black" for painting anything other than a small "opening" that isn't really an opening.  For actual surfaces, like tires, props, or skin panels, I almost always mix in some cream or light gray.

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Posted by jgeratic on Friday, October 4, 2013 2:20 PM

Here is some posted pics found at Britmodeller, illustrating wear on the sheath portion of wooden props:

regards,

Jack

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, October 4, 2013 2:39 PM

Jack -

Thanks for posting the pics! This does help a great deal for reference on Spit's props.

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