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Worn metal effects without the glitter?
Posted by Mopar Madness on Sunday, October 4, 2015 9:57 PM

So, I'm trying to drybrush some areas in my Bf 109 cockpit to indicate minor wear.  I'm using Vallejo silver and gunmetal grey.  The effect looks like glitter, not a smooth worn metal finish.  I need a non-metallic paint I guess.  Can someone please recommend a color and paint that would be good for exhibiting worn metal without the glitter?  It looks like my pilot went crazy with the body glitter... I'm not judging. Thanks in advance for your help! 

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Posted by Phil_H on Sunday, October 4, 2015 11:57 PM

Try a soft pencil. Shiny, but no glittery bits. You can shave the "lead" down and apply it with your fingertip.

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Posted by BarrettDuke on Monday, October 5, 2015 8:17 AM

Some people use pencil for this. I think it's still too glossy and too dark, especially against dark colors. I prefer to just use some light grey flat paint. Choose the color grey you want and apply it. Sometimes, for a worn effect, I'll paint the piece grey first, then put the finish color on and use fine sand paper to wear through the paint to expose the gray underneath. It tends to sand through unevenly, which adds to the realism.

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Posted by Texgunner on Monday, October 5, 2015 8:32 AM


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Posted by Jay Jay on Monday, October 5, 2015 8:36 AM

Everyone has their preferances and I have tried many different paints .  My go to is dry brushing Testor's flat steel enamel , in the small square bottles ,used sparingly.  After the final dull coat it looks pretty convincing. Enamel seems to dry brush better than acrylics for me.

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Monday, October 5, 2015 8:56 AM
I will typically add some pastels to down play the shiny glitter look as well as use gray on occasion.
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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, October 5, 2015 9:11 AM

I second the drybrush technique for this task.  Drybrushing can apply a translucent or semi-transparent coat of paint, and this works very well with applying metal colors.  The drier you make the brush, the more slowly you build up the color, allowing excellent control.

 

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Monday, October 5, 2015 9:31 AM

Its the paint that is causing the glitter.  Not all metalic paints are equal.  Typically, the nicer (more expensive) paints have finer pigments.  Also, enamel and solvent paints tend to have finer pigments.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Monday, October 5, 2015 11:08 AM

I think you will get better results drybrushing with enamels than with acrylics. The brush has to be almost dry to get good effect and acrylics dry very fast making this effect difficult. I like to use Humbrol aluminum mixed with a bit of either black or grey and run my brush on a paper towel til it's just about dry then lightly run it on the wear points.

Another method is to use a tiny piece of ripped soft foam, Ripping a small chunk will create a rough uneven piece that I hold with my tweezers then dip in some aluminum paint and blot almost dry. I lightly dab the area I want weathered creating tiny random chips. 

 A silver Prismacolor pencil is also great for creating tiny chips and scratches.

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Posted by the Baron on Monday, October 5, 2015 11:40 AM

I use Tamiya's Flat Aluminum XF-16, or a Prismacolor silver pencil, to do worn or chipped paint on aircraft.  For other objects, made of ferrous metals, for example, I'll use add in shades of gray, for areas that are exposed and worn enough not show rust, but that aren't shiny like polished aluminum.

You can use powdered graphite, too, applied with a brush, for some wearing.

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Posted by jibber on Monday, October 5, 2015 1:11 PM

A real subtle way of doing it is with a stick of graphite. They're easily found at art supply stores or Hobby Lobby and cheap too. I do think subtlety is the key to convincing metal wear instead of a silver paint. I'll see if I can find a photo.

Here I used it on the coupler, bumper, steps etc, I think it looks convincing even more so if you enlarge it.

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Posted by Mopar Madness on Monday, October 5, 2015 9:08 PM

Wow, so many ideas and tips!  All images, in addition to being very well done, show the effects I'm looking for!  I went to the hobby store after work to get some Model Master enamel paint and the friendly clerk mentioned Citadel Dry Paint.  I'll try each suggestion mentioned within this thread as I'm sure they'll produce nice results.  This dry paint product sounded like something best suited for lead figures.  Thank you all very much for your input!

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 8:04 AM

I keep Testors/MM flat aluminum and steel on hand for drybrushing metal effects.  The steel color is a bit darker and works better for weathered steel.  The flat aluminum works great for paint worn areas on painted aluminum.

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Posted by the Baron on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 12:08 PM

You can mix powdered graphite into your paints, too.  For an engine block exposed to the elements, for example, mix some finely ground graphite into a gunmetal gray and apply it.  When the paint has dried, you can use a piece of soft cloth, like from an old T-shirt, to rub the piece, removing a little of the paint and revealing the mineral powder.

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Posted by Mopar Madness on Tuesday, October 6, 2015 8:21 PM

More great ideas.  Thanks!

Chad

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Posted by myEvilGenius on Thursday, October 8, 2015 4:18 PM

Acrylics dry faster. When dry brushing use a retarder medium, fixes the issue. Just remember not to use more than the stated %/volume.
Vallejo gunmetal does sparkle a bit. The AK Ammo version is better. mix 1p gunmetal, 1p flat black primer, 1p retarder. Remember metal is shinny. If not, then it's oxidized. That is a separate layer. Aluminum does not oxidize very fast. So a fresh scratch will be shiny. Steel oxidizes quickly, so you can/should add layers to it to tone down that shine. Sounds like the issue is more trying to get a quick fix, were a few more layers are needed for what you want.
A trip to a local steal yard with a camera is a fun way to get some real reference. Also a trip to the local heavy equipment repair/scrap yard. Steal does different things when exposed or worn is different ways.
 
Or...buy "real" metal paints. They tend to mimic the oxidization.
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Posted by Texgunner on Thursday, October 8, 2015 4:47 PM

Steel-hard, strong metal

Steal-what the government does

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