What is the best airbrush to purchase ??

modelcrazy

 

Retired In Kalifornia

 

 

modelmaker66

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Oh No Mr. Bill! Angry Orange's "Processed" Cousins Are After Me! 

 

 

 

 

Now that's funny.

 

So with this 4th post can I assume 4 kittens are dead!

Kitty!

Here...

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Retired In Kalifornia

 

 

modelmaker66

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Oh No Mr. Bill! Angry Orange's "Processed" Cousins Are After Me! 

 

Now that's funny.

I do 99% of my airbrushing with a Paasche H - single action airbrush around $50.

For air source, nothing I have tried beats my CO2 tank.

I hope my future son-in-law is as thoughtful :)

modelmaker66

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Yes we know, already mentioned.

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Yes it's a zombie thread but it's still a useful question.

I use the Badger 105 Patriot. It's very good for a basic dual action gravity feed and Badger's customer service is top notch. A lot of members use the Iwata brand and are very happy with them.

As far as a compressor you may want to go with a Harbor Freight for now until he sees what he wants, after you blow his socks off with an AB.

Just my 

Look for an airbrush that does a good job while having as few moving parts as possible. You can do this by viewing their technical diagrams online before you purchase. Having too many small parts begs for disaster when you take it apart for cleaning.

I'm submitting an image of an airbrush that in my opinion has too many small parts. If you open the thing up and it falls apart like a broken Swiss clock raining tiny parts all over your table then this is very much the wrong airbrush design. Look at parts 5, 6, 18 and 19. If those microscopic parts fall out during disassembly you may be unable to put the airbrush together again.

Don't buy an expensive airbrush. If you are skilled you can do superb work with any aibrush. If you suck, having a $300 or $400 airbrush won't help you.

I hope I don't bother anyone by reviving this old thread but I landed here after a google search and did a little browsing on the forum but didn't see any newer threads after searching the site.

I'm looking to get my father in law an airbrush set for Christmas as he has been an rc and scale model builder for 30 plus years. This is pretty much the only tool he doesn't seem to have and likely not something he'd buy for himself. Anyhow just looking for some updated advice on a good high quality set for him that will last. I did find this best airbrush guide for models that seems recent and I'm leaning toward the Badger units since he'd appreciate they are american made although the Iwata seem top notch. Maybe pair it with a Badger compressor?

If it helps in recommending a particular model, he mostly does rc war planes and older antique cars. He is also a career paint and body man so if any of the models would lend to someone who has worked that trade would be great.

Appreciate any advice and I look forward to sticking around here and getting into the hobby myself! 

I personally use the karmin makeup airbrush kit 

I don't know where you are getting your info Keilau but it is absolutely incorrect!

I sent you a "Conversation" on this subject so as to not hijack this thread any longer.

MikeV

By the way regular oils are more expensive when you consider you have to change them every 3,000 miles.

Try using Mobil 1 for 30,000 miles or 1 year without an oil change and I will do the same with Amsoil and we can send in an oil sample for chemical analysis. I use Amsoil in all of my vehicles and am completely convinced it is the best oil bar none. It allows for less wear on an engine of any oil manufactured and that is why it is rated the best, that plus it's long life.

No, I will prefer to continue to use Mobil 1 and change oil every 5000 miles. VW recommend 7500 mile intervel per oil change.

After 30,000 miles with no oil change, the Amsoil may still be good, but my car may not be.  It is exactly that kind of "30,000 mile or 1 year" oil change intervel that makes me stay away from Amsoil. It is even worst if the "30,000 mile or 1 year" oil change intervel is not an Amsoil recommendation, yet they encourage their dealers to make such claim and take no resesponsibility of it. Ask your Amsoild dealer who will take responsibility of this long oil change.

I will suggest that we stay with the modeling topic.

keilau

 

MikeV:

 

 

keilau:

Amoils.com in lubricant,

What does this mean Keilau? Are you saying Amsoil is not as good as other oils? If you are you need to do some homework.

 

 

 

I misspelled their name. It should be amsoil.com. It is a small company that makes lubricating products.

Amsoils.com sells their products, including synthetic engine oil, through individuals as dealer, somewhat like the Amway does. Their oils are good products and they compare them to Mobil 1.

I drive a VW Passat with a Turbo 4-cyl engine that needs synthetic oil. As an engineer, I am naturally interested in what Amsoil claimed. From my "homework", the Amsoil synthetic oils are all pretty good, as good as, if not better than Mobil 1. The problem is the higher price just like Snap-on tools. And their marketing approach a worst problem than the high price.

Some of their engine oils are not API certified that caused some question whether it could affect their new car warranty. Some reported that Amsoil adds zinc based lubricant to the oil that prevent them from submitting the oil for approval. The worst problem is what people see at some of their dealers' web sites who made misleading claims or imply dangereous practices in using engine oils. You can check their dealer web sites to see what I mean.

Amsoil's own web site shows some lab tests to claim that the oil is better than Mobil 1, but never explains the significance of those numbers. I am not a chemist, but I know how Synthetic engineer oil was developed and how they work better for aerospace engines. If the Amsoil web site reads confusing to me, I am not sure the average person can get much information from it.

I apologize to other forum members for this off topic discussion with MIke V.

Yes Amsoil is more expensive than regular oils but it is about the same price as Mobil 1 and yes it is better.

By the way regular oils are more expensive when you consider you have to change them every 3,000 miles.

Try using Mobil 1 for 30,000 miles or 1 year without an oil change and I will do the same with Amsoil and we can send in an oil sample for chemical analysis. I use Amsoil in all of my vehicles and am completely convinced it is the best oil bar none. It allows for less wear on an engine of any oil manufactured and that is why it is rated the best, that plus it's long life.

Glad to hear the Patriot is meeting or beating your expectations! As a diehard Badger fan, I know you'll be pleased for years to come!

brickshooter

I think that this thread name should be changed to "what is the best airbrush to purchase in my price range (state what it is) and for the scale I work on??"

Oh man, I had no idea. I'm standing there in the shop just looking around for more stuff to paint. " Here doggie...!".

MikeV

keilau:

Amoils.com in lubricant,

What does this mean Keilau? Are you saying Amsoil is not as good as other oils? If you are you need to do some homework.

I misspelled their name. It should be amsoil.com. It is a small company that makes lubricating products.

Amsoils.com sells their products, including synthetic engine oil, through individuals as dealer, somewhat like the Amway does. Their oils are good products and they compare them to Mobil 1.

I drive a VW Passat with a Turbo 4-cyl engine that needs synthetic oil. As an engineer, I am naturally interested in what Amsoil claimed. From my "homework", the Amsoil synthetic oils are all pretty good, as good as, if not better than Mobil 1. The problem is the higher price just like Snap-on tools. And their marketing approach a worst problem than the high price.

Some of their engine oils are not API certified that caused some question whether it could affect their new car warranty. Some reported that Amsoil adds zinc based lubricant to the oil that prevent them from submitting the oil for approval. The worst problem is what people see at some of their dealers' web sites who made misleading claims or imply dangereous practices in using engine oils. You can check their dealer web sites to see what I mean.

Amsoil's own web site shows some lab tests to claim that the oil is better than Mobil 1, but never explains the significance of those numbers. I am not a chemist, but I know how Synthetic engineer oil was developed and how they work better for aerospace engines. If the Amsoil web site reads confusing to me, I am not sure the average person can get much information from it.

I apologize to other forum members for this off topic discussion with MIke V.

I'm familiar with SATA, but Keilau was referring to the Badger SATA 20/20 airbrush, which is Sotar, of course!

Bgrigg

 

keilau:

Very interesting link. Apparently no relationship to the Badger SATA 2020 airbrush.

 

 

 

Keilau, that's SOTAR, not SATA!

Sata makes spray guns for the most part although they do have some airbrushes. They are German.

mic53mlb

Snap-On's mark up on some of their items is like 200%) but some tools there's nothing better than Snap-On especially if your paycheck depends on it.

Yes but there are others every bit as good for less money. I know this coming from a family of heavy equipment mechanics who put tools through more abuse than any other mechanics. My dad was a die hard MAC tools man and a master heavy equipment mechanic for many years.

My younger brother Rich has been a journeyman Master Heavy Equipment mechanic for 22 years and he has been to and excelled at Cummins and Cat school as well as being one of the top scraper mechanics in the Bay Area. He has little Snap-On tools that I know of. Maybe a few but not many.

keilau

 

 

 

Amoils.com in lubricant,

What does this mean Keilau? Are you saying Amsoil is not as good as other oils? If you are you need to do some homework.

And let's add "depending on my location", as well!

I think that this thread name should be changed to "what is the best airbrush to purchase in my price range (state what it is) and for the scale I work on??"

Dr. Coffee

As engineers like to say, if it looks right it is because it is right.

Does NOT apply to human beings.  My ex was very right to look at, but crazy as an outhouse rat on the inside! 

keilau

a good finish is much more than just the look. It is a sign of high quality control and makes cleaning easy.

As engineers like to say, if it looks right it is because it is right.

Works for just about anything, not only airbrushes.

DoC

mic53mlb

Well put Bgrigg, I'll look into that H&S Infinity but I might look into your recommendations as far as what you like to use.  When it comes to my tools not everything is Snap-On and yes there are items that they carry like those ABs that are basically $75 Abs with their name on it for the sum of $400 or whatever ridiculous price (Snap-On's mark up on some of their items is like 200%) but some tools there's nothing better than Snap-On especially if your paycheck depends on it.

Snap-on in tools, Amoils.com in lubricant, Amway in household product share the same ideas. When selling through small franchise store or individual, the overhead is high and so the product price. The product is good, but not better enough to justify the cost. Worst, the dealer (sometimes a individual person) will post such outrageous claims on their web site that will make a good product sounds like a scam.

Harder & Steenbeck airbrush is the opposite. You will find it in almost any airbrush outlet. The price is no higher than other brand and the quality is superb. If you want a 0.2 mm nozzle, 5° needle airbrush for very fine work, the H&S Evolution Solo at under $120 should be near the top on anyone shopping list. Other brand just does not have the same construction and finish at this price. If money is no objection, then, the H&S Infinity 2-in-1 which has more features, extra nozzle and shares parts with the Evolution. Grex, Olympos, Richpen, Mr. Airbrush, Procom Boy are all high quality airbrushes too, but only Grex has the same wide distribution and low price of H&S. For airbrush, a good finish is much more than just the look. It is a sign of high quality control and makes cleaning easy.

Be sure to check a H&S and a Grex before you decide. Let us know how you make you choice.

Check out Dixie Art for the 100LG and 105 patriot. Both around $75 delivered in the US. I prefer the 200-20 to the 200NH, you can get a 200 detail at the Badger Garage Sale for $44 (set 220-19). It doesn't come with the P/N 50-0482 color cup, which I recommend getting over the bottle (easier to clean! Remember I'm lazy!), but the kit does come with a nice braided hose that will fit the 100 or 105 as well. Heck of a deal for $44! They make good paints, but I can't say much for the color choice that comes in the kits.

The H&S is available at Chicago Airbrush, but they also have a great deal on the Renegade Velocity. If you want to look at the Sotar the best deal is at Freakflex.

Ah, the muscle cars that were around in the early 70s were great! Cheap, plentiful and fast!