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  • From: Fullerton, Calif.
Cannon on my bench?
Posted by Don Wheeler on Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:46 PM

When I was a kid, I had a friend who made a Bangsite cannon.  Bangsite is a powder that produces acetylene when combined with water.  The cannon was just a cardboard tube that was blocked off on one end and had a little hole in the side.  We’d stuff a rag in the open end, put a some Bangsite and water in the little hole, wait a few seconds, and then hold a match next to the hole.  KABOOM and run like heck!!  It was great fun in alleys after dark.

I was looking at the big plastic jug that I use to empty my airbrush in when I’m cleaning, and I realized I might have inadvertently created something similar.  On top of the jug sits an old filter from an organic vapor mask.  I spray lacquer thinner through a small hole in the side.  I can see some fine mist coming through the filter, so I’m sure the concentration of thinner inside must be above the ignition point.  All it would take is a small spark near that hole to set it off.  Static electricity could do it.  The filter is a loose fit, and I don’t think the jar would explode.  But it might put a dent in my ceiling and a stain in my shorts.

I know a lot of people have something similar, but I’ve never heard of one blowing up.  I’m wondering if one ever has.  Or, am I concerned about nothing.  Maybe I’ll try a test out in the yard and see what happens.  First I have to build a bunker.

Don

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Posted by Don Wheeler on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:00 PM

As they say on Myth Busters, "Don't try this at home".  I can now say with some certainty, that there is an explosion risk here.

I put a Kleenex tissue across the top of my cleaning jug and held it in place with a rubber band.  My first test was with mineral spirits.  I filled my Patriot cup about half full of thinner and sprayed it into the jug through the little hole I normally use.  Then I quickly put on a full face mask that I use for wood turning and carried it outside.  I applied a flame from a long butane lighter, purchased for Halloween jack-o-lanterns, to the hole.  Nothing happened.  I even removed the tissue and stuck the flame inside; still nothing.

Then I repeated the test with lacquer thinner.  When the flame met the hole, there was a WHOOMPH, the tissue blew apart, and what was left caught on fire.  Before I could put it out, it partially melted the top of the jug.

So I have to conclude, if I had something like a filter firmly attached to the top of the jug, there would have been a possibly dangerous explosion.  Mineral spirits seem pretty safe, but not lacquer thinner.

This has caused me to re-think my choice of thinners.  I have always used lacquer thinner, but I believe I'm going to switch to mineral spirits for my enamels, both for thinning and clean-up.  I may have to re-adjust my technique a little, but I'll feel a little safer.

I you use a cleaning jug and lacquer thinner, please make sure that the top will pop off easily in case the fumes ignite.

Don

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:03 PM

Don Wheeler

put a dent in my ceiling and a stain in my shorts.

I appreciate that bit of humor!

Although good to know, I only use acrylics so don't have that worry.

Back in the day, a couple of us used to make "bombs" & "cannon's" with Sodium Chlorate weedkiller - add the correct amounts of sugar & carbon & it was pretty potent. We went from lighting pretty poor mixes of it on the ground, to making cannon's from cast drainpipe's. The secret to getting decent power out of it was to get the percentages spot on, grind the ingredients very fine & contain them in something reasonably strong that could withstand a decent pressure build up before exploding.

It was a bit like loading the guns on a battleship, in with this, in with that, in with the (charged) projectile, light it & cover your ears - sodium chlorate has now been banned in the EU.

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Posted by Phil_H on Thursday, June 24, 2010 3:46 AM

Hi Don,

I don't know if you're game to try another test, but I rather suspect something similar may happen with alcohol (as used with many acrylics). Liquid alcohol will ignite readily, so I suspect that vapourised alcohol may also react similarly.

Be careful if you do try this - as you may be aware, many alcohols burn with an invisible (or near invisible) flame.

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Posted by Don Wheeler on Thursday, June 24, 2010 1:57 PM

Hi Phil,

I think I'm done with the pyrotechnics for now while I still have my eyebrows.  But, I suspect you are right about the alcohol.  I'm still going to keep lacquer thinner around, but only for hand cleaning of small parts when necessary.  Flushing is going to be strictly mineral spirits.

Don

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