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Khaaaaan!!!!!!! (peeling paint)

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  • Member since
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  • From: NW Washington
Khaaaaan!!!!!!! (peeling paint)
Posted by dirkpitt77 on Tuesday, February 8, 2011 9:12 PM

  Now I need a drink.

 

     So, I had finished up the colors on the bussard collectors of my AMT TOS Enterprise-nice and orangey red sparkly stuff.  I gave them a coat of Future last night to kind of seal them as I'm using Acryl paints, so tonight I masked them off from the rest of the engine so I could lay down the gray.  I've never had a problem using Future to protect a coat of paint from masking pulloff, using it on several ship models especially to do the hull red portion.

    Anyway, sprayed my gray basecoat on the warp engines, let it sit 5 minutes or so as the Acryl dries pretty fast, and then I go to pull off my masking tape.  And I'll be damned if it didn't pull off half my nice orange bussard scoop color as well as part of the gray.      Grrrrrr........so pissed now.    Angry

    "Some say the alien didn't die in the crash.  It survived and drank whiskey and played poker with the locals 'til the Texas Rangers caught wind of it and shot it dead."

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  • From: Steilacoom, Washington
Posted by Killjoy on Wednesday, February 9, 2011 9:41 PM

Man, sorry to hear that.

Couple questions.  What brand of paint are you using and what did you thin it with?  Next, did you prime the model before laying down color coats?

Chris

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  • From: NW Washington
Posted by dirkpitt77 on Thursday, February 10, 2011 12:48 PM

   I primed it with Tamiya gray primer in the rattle can.  Then I put down a basecoat of Model Master Chrome Silver thinned with Testors Enamel Thinner.  I let that dry for 1 1/2 weeks before I went to the next coat.  The next coat was Model Master Acryl Turn Signal Amber thinned with a few drops of Windex.  I let that dry 1/2 an hour, then I misted some Acryl Clear Red, not thinned, over the top of that. Then I brushed a coat of Future over it and let that dry for 24hrs.

 

     I took another look last night and I think I thinned too much.  Everything peeled off, down to the primer, but the  primer is fine.  Also, it occurred to me that with the self-leveling properties that Future has, on a spherical surface it might have flowed to the back edges of the part, so that a lot of it's sealing properties were probably lost.  I might try it again using an enamel clear coat this time.  Unless you can think of something else I haven't thought of.

 

    "Some say the alien didn't die in the crash.  It survived and drank whiskey and played poker with the locals 'til the Texas Rangers caught wind of it and shot it dead."

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  • From: Steilacoom, Washington
Posted by Killjoy on Thursday, February 10, 2011 1:54 PM

I wouldn't worry about the future, it is not that runny when airbrushed, and tends to stay put pretty well.  If you need it to dry quickly on a strangely shaped part, you can thin future 3 parts future to 1 part iso alcohol, works fine.

Only thing I hear is the windex.  Windex breaks down acrylic paints, and should never be used as a thinner.  I use windex to clean my airbrush, so I know how well it attacks acrylics.  Thin acrylics with distilled water, airbrush medium, or just use future!  Depending on the brand, most like this just fine.  I start at about 3 paint to 1 future when thinning Vallejo acrylics for airbrushing, though you will get a slower drying 'wet edge' when using water.

Hope this helps!

Chris

A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America," for an amount of "up to and including my life."

  • Member since
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  • From: NW Washington
Posted by dirkpitt77 on Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:58 PM

     Now that you say that about the Windex, I'm kicking myself. I had bought some distilled water specifically for  thinning my Acryls on the advice of someone else on here a few months ago.  I think I had simply forgotten about it and gotten into the habit of using Windex instead.  I'll try what you suggest and see if we can't get this fixed up.   Thanks!   Beer

    "Some say the alien didn't die in the crash.  It survived and drank whiskey and played poker with the locals 'til the Texas Rangers caught wind of it and shot it dead."

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