Badger Krome or Paasche Talon

....Hi,I have had a Talon after a week i've sold on the net.Then I bought a badger Velocity and now i love it.If you Just have a very good airbrush like the hp-cs you must go forward...not behind!!Ciao Enrico.

The Krome wins hands down over the Talon. Paasche dropped the ball when it came to improving their airbrushes in my humble opinion.

How about an Iwata HP-B ? 

Generally, I'd try to stick to the same family of brushes for practical reasons such as sourcing for spare parts.

talon is a joke. i have one. hate it. it was replaced with an iwata HP-CS. 

krome all the way. 

HP-B = Expensive. 

i bet the krome sprays just as fine for cheaper. 

I'm obviously not an expert but am very happy with the Talon I bought and I'm really getting the hang of it.

I guess I'll have to try out more airbrushes. Shows how much I know huh? One thing though, I don't want to end up with a drawer full of unused airbrushes.

i did like my talon till i bought an Iwata HP-CR. then got an HP-CS. 

montague

I was wondering your opinion on this. I have an Iwata hp-cs. Great airbrush! I was looking for something with the ability for very fine work, possibly with a needle stop and was looking at both the Krome and a Talon with the fine needle set in it. I use mostly acrylics.

I have looked on you tube at several reviews but you guys are truly experts in my opinion so I will let you make reccomendations.

Krome is a very well balanced airbrush. But I am not sure that it is much more detailed than the HP-CS. I have both.

You may want to consider the SOTAR 20/20 or the H&R 0.19 mm if looking for a detail AB.

Iwata Hp-Sb Plus..........Ciao Enrico

Italian Starfighter

Iwata Hp-Sb Plus..........Ciao Enrico

The choices were The Badger Krome or the Talon.

He doesn't need an overpriced Iwata plus for modeling.

You remind me of the lyrics from a Metallica song.

*You can do it your own way... If it's done just how I say*

The Talon must have something going for it if Mike Learn based his latest *** on it. Or maybe there were incentives...

Tony

Wingman_kz

The Talon must have something going for it if Mike Learn based his latest *** on it. Or maybe there were incentives...

You think?

I suggest Hp-Sb Plus because in my personal opinion is in the same class of sotar20\20 or H&S....surely the price is not cheaper........I think the best choice is the new badger Krome...Ciao Enrico.

Wingman_kz

The Talon must have something going for it if Mike Learn based his latest *** on it. Or maybe there were incentives...

Tony, any inside story on this? I went to Mike Learn website and saw his *** 3. The first thing that I notice was that the cup size is completely different from the Talon. Talon was known to be not very well balanced due to the large paint cup.

The *** 3 promised cheaper price and spares, but still 3 times that of Talon and double of Krome. The old Richpen based *** seems to be gone for good.

Here's a link to the *** III by Mike Learn. Its 30 minutes of Mr. Learn explaining the differences between his brush and a stock "Talon". Sounds like it is still evolving with the additon of a .12 n/n and stainless hardened needles etc. There was something else and I can't remember what it was???????

 Evidently he's had many people calling it a "just a Talon"??

 I own neither and can't comment, but you may find it interesting??

http://www.learnairbrush.com/content.php?411-The-Making-of-the-Generation-III-***-USA-Precision-Airbrush

The Richpen is still available & sold and serviced by Bear air. I was told they will continue the Richpens.

Several models are listed. You can buy the stock Phoenix 213C (.3 n/n) or you can get a modified version with  a .2 n/n.  They even have there own version of the Richpen ***. I think they call it "Super Tuned". Again I don't own any Richpens and can't comment on them.

Hope this helps

Steve

I went and looked at the second versionof the Richpen Phoenis 213C from Bear Air.

 It is called a "Plus .

 Definately more $$ than a Krome!

Steve

STJohnson

I went and looked at the second versionof the Richpen Phoenis 213C from Bear Air.

 It is called a "Plus .

 Definately more $$ than a Krome!

 

I would be willing to bet that 90% of the airbrush users on this forum would not see any better results from the high dollar Japanese airbrushes over what Badger and others are producing.

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STJohnson:

I went and looked at the second versionof the Richpen Phoenis 213C from Bear Air.

 It is called a "Plus .

 Definately more $$ than a Krome!

 

I would be willing to bet that 90% of the airbrush users on this forum would not see any better results from the high dollar Japanese airbrushes over what Badger and others are producing.

Well, most of us need only 10% of the models that we purchased. The other 90% go into the stash.

I have 7 airbrushes and can use only one at a time. It is just a hobby.

No, sorry keilau, I don't have the story. There's been some discussion about it on another board. At least one member, maybe two, bought them to try out and seemed happy with them. Don't know whether he changes the cup or buys without the cup mounted and installs his own. True, they aren't inexpensive and I don't intend to buy one but, they are  tuned up and dialed in. And, as someone said on yet another board, collecting airbrushes is much less expensive than say, building cars or bikes or collecting firearms. So, if someone wants one and has the money to spend then who am I to tell them they don't need it. I'm not telling them they do either. Just that it's out there.

However, the first time that I pulled the trigger on my $73 Revolution CR that I got for $65 shipped on sale I immediately noticed a difference. But it wasn't overpriced so I guess I don't fit in that top 10%. Just your average Joe. Or...

Tony

Tony,

I get your point. Never tell anyone on this forum that he/she does not need the next model kit either.

Wingman_kz

, Collecting airbrushes is much less expensive than say, building cars or bikes or collecting firearms. So, if someone wants one and has the money to spend then who am I to tell them they don't need it. I'm not telling them they do either. Just that it's out there.

Tony

keilau

montague:

I was wondering your opinion on this. I have an Iwata hp-cs. Great airbrush! I was looking for something with the ability for very fine work, possibly with a needle stop and was looking at both the Krome and a Talon with the fine needle set in it. I use mostly acrylics.

I have looked on you tube at several reviews but you guys are truly experts in my opinion so I will let you make reccomendations.

 

Krome is a very well balanced airbrush. But I am not sure that it is much more detailed than the HP-CS. I have both.

You may want to consider the SOTAR 20/20 or the H&R 0.19 mm if looking for a detail AB.

The Krome has the same tip/needle as the Velocity and the Sotar 20/20 so it is in the same category as Iwata's top airbrushes like the Micron and plus series. The HP-CS is a little less fine line capable and is more in the category of the Badger Patriot, etc.

For the record, Mike Learn and the other well known Airbrush Action artists are paid to endorse the products they use so take what they say with a grain of salt.

keilau

Well, most of us need only 10% of the models that we purchased. The other 90% go into the stash.

I have 7 airbrushes and can use only one at a time. It is just a hobby.

That is irrelevant to this discussion I think. If someone wants something just because it is new and they like it then fine, buy it. I own 15.

If however they are asking for an honest opinion on an airbrush's ability to spray a certain way, which I thought this thread was about, then that is what I am answering with my opinion.

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keilau:

montague:

I was wondering your opinion on this. I have an Iwata hp-cs. Great airbrush! I was looking for something with the ability for very fine work, possibly with a needle stop and was looking at both the Krome and a Talon with the fine needle set in it. I use mostly acrylics.

I have looked on you tube at several reviews but you guys are truly experts in my opinion so I will let you make reccomendations.

 

Krome is a very well balanced airbrush. But I am not sure that it is much more detailed than the HP-CS. I have both.

You may want to consider the SOTAR 20/20 or the H&R 0.19 mm if looking for a detail AB.

 

The Krome has the same tip/needle as the Velocity and the Sotar 20/20 so it is in the same category as Iwata's top airbrushes like the Micron and plus series. The HP-CS is a little less fine line capable and is more in the category of the Badger Patriot, etc.

I only use 2 brushes.  A Velocity for general work. And a Sotar for detailed work.  They don't spray the same.  The Sotar's maximum coverage is smaller.  It sprays less paint.  It's more accurate. And it has zero overspray.  Your index finger is literally right over the spray spot.  That being said, you better mix your paint right for the Sotar, particulary acrylics.   And the lighter the acrylic color, the more difficult I have spraying it.

brickshooter

I only use 2 brushes.  A Velocity for general work. And a Sotar for detailed work.  They don't spray the same. 

Do they have the same needle/tip? They come with the same unless you are using the Sotar UF needle and tip.

Using the UF needle & tip.   

just sold my talon. 

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brickshooter:

I only use 2 brushes.  A Velocity for general work. And a Sotar for detailed work.  They don't spray the same. 

Do they have the same needle/tip? They come with the same unless you are using the Sotar UF needle and tip.

The SOTAR 20/20 Fine and Renegade Krome have very different needle. The Renegade Velocity and Krome share the same needle/tip set. Their needle is very similar to the Iwata HP-CS. For your reference:

As said by the Badger website, I also found strong correlation between the linear air flow angle and the airbrush action. The exceptions are the Chinese knock-offs, including the Neo for Iwata.

"The atomization/spray pattern potential of all three is the same."

From the horses mouth so to speak.