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  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Tuesday, January 16, 2018 11:18 AM

Solid choice.

.4mm should be fine, I wouldn't go any finer.

  • Member since
    December 2017
  • From: Chicago, Illinois
Posted by Phil1947 on Monday, January 15, 2018 7:44 PM

I just happened to read the ‘Best Primer’ thread before I posted my question which was quite apropos.
 
I did some research/reviews on Vallejo Primer and the general consensus is that it basically seems to be… crap! I’ve finally given in to the fact that I’ll simply have to give it a new coat of primer and start all over again, but so be it and I’ll just chalk it up to as a learning experience. As for the ‘Best Primer’ thread there is no way I would ever revert going back to using some type of spray can primer, and or paint as I haven’t used those to paint a model since I was about 12 back in the 50’s as that is all we had to paint our models (not too many kids on the block with airbrushes back then!). That, and aside from the fact that I’ve never trusted the spray capabilities of a spray can then, never will, and still don’t, but that’s just my opinion which doesn’t mean squat.
 
So with that I’ve opted to go with the Badger Stynylrez Acrylic Airbrush Primer (black) which I just ordered on Amazon as it seems to be out of stock on a lot of online hobby outlets (which seems to say something for its popularity) except for the three bottle combination which I don’t need or want.  It seems as though it’s rather thick but I have a 0.4mm needle with my H&S Evolution A/B so that should hopefully suffice. If and when I get this little bugger of a Hellcat finished I’ll make it a point to post some pictures of it. As always… thanks for the input. ;)

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  • Member since
    May 2013
  • From: Indiana, USA
Posted by Greg on Monday, January 15, 2018 2:23 PM

Heavy Vallejo user chiming in here.

Thogh Vallejo is my primary paint, their primer, as already mentioned, is fit neither for masking nor sanding. I have no idea what folk use it for.

Also, Model Master acrylics also have a bad track record of pulling up with masking tape.

As many have mentioned already, you need a good primer that bites into the substrate.

I did pretty much the same thing on my first model back from hiatus, seems a common thing. Even messed up the same paint scheme as you, except me on a TBM.

  • Member since
    September 2012
Posted by GMorrison on Monday, January 15, 2018 2:11 PM

That's correct. It's the primer to plastic bond that is the problem, no amount of additional coats of anything will help. Take a look at that thread mentioned above. I've never used Vallejo paint, but their primer sounds to be less than great.

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  • Member since
    November 2006
Posted by Bearcat57 on Monday, January 15, 2018 1:21 PM

Unfortunately you may not have much choice. Did you happen to read the ‘Best Primer’ thread? Seems Vallejo black primer doesn’t adhere very well. 

Coating with Pledge really isn’t going to do much to prevent the paint from lifting off the primer when you pull up the tape  (FYI Pledge Floor Care does not contain wax - it’s acrylic. Wax would definitely not be good to paint over)

  • Member since
    December 2017
  • From: Chicago, Illinois
Problem with masking and removing paint…
Posted by Phil1947 on Monday, January 15, 2018 12:46 PM

Working on my first model after over 55+ years and I’ve run into a slight problem with a F6F-3 Hellcat. I opted for the black basing method as opposed to pre-shading by using Vallejo black primer. I’m using the paint scheme as used for the U.S. Navy which consists of three colors and found the need to mask off the demarcations of these colors by masking as I’m not all that steady by trying to do it free hand with an airbrush. I first started with the bottom color (white with a bit of grey mixed in) as I figured it best to work my way up with the darker colors of blue.
 
However, even though the white (Model Master & Tamiya) has dried for well over a week and trying to lessen the tackiness of the masking tape by first placing it on my pants, and or skin I found that upon removing it I also removed some very small patches of the white paint and this also happened with the mid range blue paint which I then had to repaint again. There is no use in my going on as is as I’ll only end up removing paint again when I remove the masking tape.
 
With that said, I was thinking of perhaps spraying the entire model with several light coats of Pledge Floor Care wax to protect the paint from further damage when removing the masking tape but I’m wondering if the further next coats of acrylic paint will properly adhere to the sprayed wax, or if I’ll need to then again give a coat of primer, which I’d rather not do. Any help and or suggestions would be greatly appreciated as I’m at a loss on how to proceed as there is no way on earth that I’m willing to prime the entire thing with perhaps a different primer and start all over again.
 
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