Requesting tips on picking a 2nd airbrush

Mrchntmarine

what a sale!

It really is. Glad it was pointed out.

I didn't contribute much, but you are most certainly welcome.

tks greg and tony.  good to know.  what a sale!

Mrchntmarine

So i see 3 105's - Patriot, patriot Arrow and Extreme Patriot , .3 or .5,no .7. Besides the needle difference, do you know the other differences??

I don't really know a thing about Badger airbrushes short of thier outstanding reputation on all fronts.

I'm glad to see Tony chimed in to address your question.

I also didn't see anything about a 105 equipped with a .7mm needle/nozzle. I presume I'd have to buy one of the others then buy the .7mm kit separately, which for me sort of defeats the sale price. That is not a complaint, the sale still looks like a very good deal.

Patriot and Patriot Arrow are the same except the Arrow has a smaller cup. Patriot Extreme adds a dark finish, precision air control valve and the. 3mm needle. The Extreme Arrow is the same but again, with a smaller cup. The Precision Air Control Valve is the little knob under the paint cup. It allows you to control the air flow/pressure to a degree at the brush. Tony

PS...Forgot to mention the High Roller trigger on the Extremes. It's a taller trigger than on the standard Patriots. 

Greg

 

 

EdGrune

All Badger airbrushes are $56.00 plus $14.00 S&H. Go BadgerAirbrush.com

 

 

eh? I don't see anything about a sale on the badger site.

I'd order a 105 with .7mm needle setup in a heartbeat at $56 + $14 S&H !

 

So i see 3 105's - Patriot, patriot Arrow and Extreme Patriot , .3 or .5,no .7.    Besides the needle difference, do you know the other differences??

cbaltrin

I like your thought process Greg, you're my kind of model builder.

....and I appreciate your comment, thanks!

Greg

Plus, they look cool in the little two airbrush holder thingie on my bench. Creates the illusion that I know what I'm doing and seems to impress guests in my basement workshop. 

 

I like your thought process Greg, you're my kind of model builder.

:-P

oldermodelguy

If it happens you miss the deal Greg, SprayGunner has the 105 for $75 last I knew.

Thanks, OMG.

Phil_H

 

 

Greg

eh? I don't see anything about a sale on the badger site.

 

 

http://www.badgerairbrush.com/H56B_guidelines_rules.asp

 

 

Thank you, Phil (and Ed for the original info). I don't guess I'd ever have found that on my own.

Greg

 

 

EdGrune

All Badger airbrushes are $56.00 plus $14.00 S&H. Go BadgerAirbrush.com

 

 

eh? I don't see anything about a sale on the badger site.

I'd order a 105 with .7mm needle setup in a heartbeat at $56 + $14 S&H !

 

If it happens you miss the deal Greg, SprayGunner has the 105 for $75 last I knew.

Greg

eh? I don't see anything about a sale on the badger site.

http://www.badgerairbrush.com/H56B_guidelines_rules.asp

EdGrune

All Badger airbrushes are $56.00 plus $14.00 S&H. Go BadgerAirbrush.com

eh? I don't see anything about a sale on the badger site.

I'd order a 105 with .7mm needle setup in a heartbeat at $56 + $14 S&H !

Ken Schlofelt (president of Badger Airbrush) is having his 56th birthday sale.   All Badger airbrushes are $56.00 plus $14.00 S&H.  Go BadgerAirbrush.com    Act now   Sale closes soon

I got a Sotar 20/20 last year for $55 + S&H   See a pattern (?)

Satisfied with the brush    Only complaint was the time it took to receive the order    They were swamped with prders

The Sotar is a nice brush, just to put a price tag on your message MM66, SpayGunner has the Sotar brush with fine needle/nozzle in a plastic case for $100. . Just sayin.

modelmaker66

You will get tired of switching needle/nozzle/tip sets really fast! Hard to keep track what goes with what.

Hmmmm, those are two really good and absolutely true points, IMO. The second one might sound like no big deal, but MM is right.

Reasons to consider a second a/b indeed. Good input.

You will get tired of switching needle/nozzle/tip sets really fast! Hard to keep track what goes with what. Badger sotar  fine setup is a great detail brush at a attractive price. 

Wingman_kz

If you plan to change your CR to the BR .3mm setup you have to change the needle seal too. The diameter of the needle shaft is different between the CR and BR. No big deal, it screws in and out, just another part you'll need. I'm not certain but I seem to remember that there is a .3mm needle from another Iwata that can be used instead of the BR that has the same shaft size as the CR so you wouldn't have to change the needle seal. There used to be information on the ARC forums about this but I can't find it now. Its been a few years. Tony

 

Oh boy, I misread the OP and thought we were discussing the HP-CS. Good catch, Tony.

The CR is a great brush, I still contend that .5mm is fine, but heed Tony's advice about needle change.

Sorry!

Thanks everybody.  @Jon: I love Don's website.  But that link seems to be defunct.

I will look into the swapping for a smaller needle for this brush.  And keep studying.

I welcome any additonal thoughts.   Thanks!

Phil

I pretty much leave my Badger set up with the .25 nozzle set. I like that nozzle anyway, the spray pattern is very smooth and droplet size smaller than with the .5. I'll leave it at that, except to say I have two other brushes so leaving the Badger mostly set up with the small nozzle isn't an issue.

I just had another thought, Phil.

If you want a second airbrush and the expense is no big deal to you, by all means do indulge yourself. I like having a second in case I do something really stupid with one of them, which is probably more a "when" than an "if".

Plus, they look cool in the little two airbrush holder thingie on my bench. Creates the illusion that I know what I'm doing and seems to impress guests in my basement workshop.

patrick206

Phil - Golly, your Iwata is a real premium gem, I can't imagine it can't do what you are wanting to do.

That is my opinion too, Phil.

phil172

I gathered from reading that swapping to a smaller needle wasn't that easy, but if it is, that would solve half my issue.

There's nothing to it, 20 second max once you've done it a couple times. (Just as Jon suggested above)

I retired my 30 yr old Paasche back in '13 in favor of the Iwata HP-CS. I do have both the .5mm and .3mm needle/nozzle combos. Like you (and apparently Patrick and Jon) I love mine.

Several years back, like you (again), I wanted a second airbrush. I had done a lot reading online and I guess I thought a new a/b would offer more control and make me a better airbrusher. I settled on a Harder & Steenbeck Evolution 2 in 1.

I love it. It feels better in my hand than my Iwata, the trigger is arguably a tiny bit smoother, and it tears down without tools. (The Iwata needs the little wrench to snug down the head cap).

Now then, it has not made me a better airbrusher, I've yet to find anything I can do with it that I cannot do with the Iwata, the trigger action may be smoother, but I don't seem to possess the dexterity or skills to make it matter. The adjustable stop for the trigger that I thought would be such a cool and perhaps indespensable feature is useless., at least when spraying acrylics.

For whatever reason, I haven't touched my H&S for a long time, I always grab the Iwata. I have no rational explanation, I'd like to know why myself.

Sorry post is a little long, I had a lot of thoughts on the subject.

For detail I use a Badger Krome with the .22 needle and nozzle setup. Great results.

phil172

Thanks. It has a .5mm tip. I gathered from reading that swapping to a smaller needle wasn't that easy, but if it is, that would solve half my issue.

 

Phil - Golly, your Iwata is a real premium gem, I can't imagine it can't do what you are wanting to do. You don't mention a needle size, but I believe there are several others that are available for your airbrush, soon I think there will be a few Iwata users to stop by, that will be well acqainted with yours and can give you some good advice as to what to do to make it work well for you.

My fellow FSM members that have your airbrush swear by it, I'll bet you can make it work for you, without going to the expense of buying a second.

Patrick