Splattery mess

Well, I replaced the nozzle with a brand new one and it's still splattering paint everywhere. 
not sure what else to do, so it's time for a new airbrush. Will probably go H & S.

If you decide to get rid of it, let me know.  I'd be willing to see what I can do with it, with no hard feeling if not fixable.

Eaglecash867

 

 

oldermodelguy

Paasche H's are just about indestructable aren't they ? I use mine more than my Badger these days since shooting quite a lot of acrylics and enamels and after the loss of MM Metalizers. I bought it as a back up about 7-8 years ago while I upgraded my Badger 200 to the newer air caps and such..  The 200 was in need of a really good clean up after 40 years of use .  It's always good to have a back up imo. The Paasche H is a work horse, pretty inexpensive too. And it has hefty parts, large orifices etc. These days I keep the #3 tip on that and the .25 in the 200. My hands slip now and then as I'm aging, I've dropped that H on the floor twice now and it just keeps going. Not that I'm advocating doing such a thing mind you. If nothing else though, a guy could get an H and once everything is squared away with their other air brush or brushes, use the H for primers, heavy clears or whatever.

 

 

I use mine for everything now...had the same one for 35 years so far.  I usually use my #1 air caps and needles with it, since I like a nice, thin coat of paint.  I have 2 sets of the #1s, and 2 sets of the #3s, along with 2 color cups.  When I get done with one color, I just dump the needle, cap, and cup into my relish jar of MEK in the ultrasonic cleaner and then put the second needle/cap/cup set on the airbrush to shoot the next color.  That set also goes in the jar and everything gets a thorough cleaning for about 30 minutes while I work on other stuff.  I bought an Iwata HP-CS last year, thinking I would really like it...its still practically brand new because it was a PITA using it, and I have never liked the concept of shooting a bunch of solvent into the air to flush it.  After using the H for so many years, I haven't run into a situation yet where I wished I had a different airbrush...it can do pretty much anything I need it to.  Working on the bare metal tail surfaces of my Tamiya F-4B project with it this weekend, and getting amazing results so far.  Its definitely my workhorse. 

 

Ya, I used the #1 for a year straight. Then when I decided to stick mainly with the fine tip in the Badger, put the #3 back on ( I also have 2 #3 setups for it, they're cheap enough). But I found with the #3 I can still reduce flow to next to nothing if need be so now it's been about a year that way. Varnishing my wife's ceramics was another good use for that H with larger or multi bottles. I did that often with the #5 before she passed away on me back in Dec 2020. You're right though, very versatile airbrush. These days I most often use the metal side cup, actually in both the H and on the Badger. Except enamels on car bodies I use the glass jars/bottles.

    Hmmm!

          I wish I could help! BUT! I packed up All my hobby Air Brush units and went back to my OLD De-Vilbiss Mk 1 and the Mk.4 commercial brushes I used years ago on actual Cars and Boats. They were definitely built to last! Both are over fifty years old! Based on what you've said, it sounds to this old engineer that you have a microscopic crack somewhere!.   

oldermodelguy

Paasche H's are just about indestructable aren't they ? I use mine more than my Badger these days since shooting quite a lot of acrylics and enamels and after the loss of MM Metalizers. I bought it as a back up about 7-8 years ago while I upgraded my Badger 200 to the newer air caps and such..  The 200 was in need of a really good clean up after 40 years of use .  It's always good to have a back up imo. The Paasche H is a work horse, pretty inexpensive too. And it has hefty parts, large orifices etc. These days I keep the #3 tip on that and the .25 in the 200. My hands slip now and then as I'm aging, I've dropped that H on the floor twice now and it just keeps going. Not that I'm advocating doing such a thing mind you. If nothing else though, a guy could get an H and once everything is squared away with their other air brush or brushes, use the H for primers, heavy clears or whatever.

I use mine for everything now...had the same one for 35 years so far.  I usually use my #1 air caps and needles with it, since I like a nice, thin coat of paint.  I have 2 sets of the #1s, and 2 sets of the #3s, along with 2 color cups.  When I get done with one color, I just dump the needle, cap, and cup into my relish jar of MEK in the ultrasonic cleaner and then put the second needle/cap/cup set on the airbrush to shoot the next color.  That set also goes in the jar and everything gets a thorough cleaning for about 30 minutes while I work on other stuff.  I bought an Iwata HP-CS last year, thinking I would really like it...its still practically brand new because it was a PITA using it, and I have never liked the concept of shooting a bunch of solvent into the air to flush it.  After using the H for so many years, I haven't run into a situation yet where I wished I had a different airbrush...it can do pretty much anything I need it to.  Working on the bare metal tail surfaces of my Tamiya F-4B project with it this weekend, and getting amazing results so far.  Its definitely my workhorse. 

Eaglecash867

Seriously, just try a Paasche H airbrush and join us on the dark side.  

 

Paasche H's are just about indestructable aren't they ? I use mine more than my Badger these days since shooting quite a lot of acrylics and enamels and after the loss of MM Metalizers. I bought it as a back up about 7-8 years ago while I upgraded my Badger 200 to the newer air caps and such..  The 200 was in need of a really good clean up after 40 years of use .  It's always good to have a back up imo. The Paasche H is a work horse, pretty inexpensive too. And it has hefty parts, large orifices etc. These days I keep the #3 tip on that and the .25 in the 200. My hands slip now and then as I'm aging, I've dropped that H on the floor twice now and it just keeps going. Not that I'm advocating doing such a thing mind you. If nothing else though, a guy could get an H and once everything is squared away with their other air brush or brushes, use the H for primers, heavy clears or whatever.

Seriously, just try a Paasche H airbrush and join us on the dark side.  

Well it sure sounds like some kind of mechanical failure. Sometimes the tip doesn't seal due to not seating right. in a 100 or 200 some bees wax fixes that till a new teflon washer is installed between the tip and housing.But that leak generally causes pulsing more than spatter in those model Badgers ( mine did that after about 30 years lol).

You might also polish that needle on general principle, I polish all my airbrush needles and it really makes a difference how smooth those droplets atomize and lay down. But I've heard where some 105 users found the tip not seating right was the cause of troubles like yours and that just a bare friction seat or tapered seat but they sent their airbrushes back to Badger to get that report back. If I owned the 105 I'd probably wax that seat just because I do things like that. Unfortunately that may not be the only cause for mechanically caused spatter though. One guy here in the forums had burrs in the bore someplace causing turbulant airflow ( sorry I don't recall the exact details on that one except he was going nuts trying to get it to work, finally sending it back to Badger who repaired it and got it back to him in short time).. So with Sparmax it could be something similar perhaps. I'm not familiar with their services though.

Okay, so I've just tested some more, with Vallejo MA Black at the following thinner to paint ratios:

1:1 plus a little Vallejo Flow Improver

2:1 with no flow improver

air pressure varying between 15-25 psi. 
result is the same - awful spattering mess!

this was after soaking the nozzle in Tamiya airbrush cleaner and the cleaning with interdental brush, then flushing with water and Vallejo thinner to make sure the cleaner is gone. 

my setup doesn't have a Mac valve. 

2:1 is way too thin at any air pressure.  Think I will replace the nozzle - although t looks fine maybe there's a crack. If that doesn't work I'm going to buy a new airbrush as this one is a PITA. 

dazzjazz

I've only had time to do a short test today, mix equal amounts of Vallejo MA white and their flow improver. Seems to be spraying better, but I had to raise the air pressure to 30psi on my Arism Mini compressor. Will keep experimenting and report back. 

 

MA is theoretically pre-thinned for airbrushing thus the word air in the name. Most of us find that not to be thin enough with many colors and especially with finer needles. Their flow improver is good but it too has more viscosity than thinner. I use another combo of thinners in MA but that's beside the point. The real matter is while you want some flow improver I think you also want some actual thinner in the mix.

All I can say is I run the stuff pretty thin and through a .25 needle and the results are super smooth with very very fine atomization, which is what I love about that Badger .25 to begin with). And I'm using no Vallejo additives. Even thinned out the pigments are dense enough to cover very well. Don't give up, you'll get it ! I'm not sure you will get there with flow improver alone. I'd like to hear that you got the viscosity of the paint down to at least where your brush will shoot it at around 20 psi or so. 30 tells me it's still thick.

Question though: Does that airbrush have a Mac valve ( air control valve, I know some Iwatas do others don't). I ask because it may not be open enough and that would blow everything we've discussed to where we start over again lol.

When I've had spatter like this, typically it will indicate that there is dried paint inside the bore  of the nozzle. Your needle will move freely, you will be able to spray water/thinner through the brush, but paint will spatter like this.

Remove the nozzle from the airbrush body and soak it for  about 30 minutes in lacquer thinner.

Dip a fine-ponted paintbrush in lacquer thinner, insert it into the bore of the nozzle and gently scrub the inside of the nozzle by rotating the paintbrush. Every few twists, pull the paintbrush out and clean the paintbrush. 

Repeat until the brush comes away clean. 

Reinstall the nozzle in the airbrush body, mix up a batch of paint and test. 

dazzjazz

Vallejo Model Air and Tamyia Acrylics.

Remember that these two paint types and their supporting solvents are mutually incompatible. So when switching between brands, it is absolutely essential that none of the former paint's solvents remain in the brush when the next brand of paint is loaded. If not, you may induce a chemical reaction which then creates a gooey mess inside your airbrush which will be difficult to clean.

I've only had time to do a short test today, mix equal amounts of Vallejo MA white and their flow improver. Seems to be spraying better, but I had to raise the air pressure to 30psi on my Arism Mini compressor. Will keep experimenting and report back. 

dazzjazz

 

 

armornut

Check the needle port, and nozzle, there might be a tiny crack. The crack might deform the shape of the paint cone being sprayed.

 

 

 

 

No crack - I've had a good look under a magnifying glass and the nozzle looks fine. The needle is also in very good condition.

 

Then if it's also sealing ok then you're coming down to more thinner and or raise your pressure a bit. I shoot tamiya arounf 20psi working pressure thinned 1-1. And I use a different brush for the Valljo but shoot that around 18 psi working pressure ( working pressure is the reading after the pressure drop you get with paint flowing).

armornut

Check the needle port, and nozzle, there might be a tiny crack. The crack might deform the shape of the paint cone being sprayed.

No crack - I've had a good look under a magnifying glass and the nozzle looks fine. The needle is also in very good condition.

Looks like poor atomization.  Could be a burr on the tip of the needle, paint too thick, or pressure too low.

Don

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I know this is probably not your issue, but try increasing your pressure a bit at a time until it sprays smooth. If it does, it's your thinning, if it doesn't, it's the AB. I use both those paints with no isssues through a .3 needle. I thin until I can get it to spray smooth at the pressure I want for that session. Lower pressure for closer more fine work, higher for larger areas. I don't pay attention to my ratios at all. I mix until I get the spray to go how I want at that time. Always works fine. Use some scrap to test with, even white paper will tell you what you need to know.

BK

dazzjazz

I thin each paint with their manufacturers thinner no more than 60/40.

im using a Sparmax Max 3 that is 0.3mm size. 

 

The Tamiya should go through that size tip fine, while I generally use a larger needle than that and thin Tamiya 1/1 or even a little more thinner. You might want to try that too ( more thinner), I have shot it through a .2 if I recall right. The Model Air would need just a little thinning to run nice through a .3 and I've run it through a .25 regularly, in fact it's my most common size for that paint. However, what you need to watch with MA is solids settling, make sure it's stirred good with certain colors especially. Anyway I thin that about 25% with my own thinner combo that has some Liquitex retarder in it ( not that that matters, just sayin).

If your thinner alone sprays fine then you should be able to get your paints going too. But if your thinner alone or even water alone spatters and sputters then it has to do with the airbrush or cleaning etc. I had an Iwata knock off acting up even after cleaning but looked with a magnifier at the tip up into a ceiling light and saw this little tiny guber in there. Soaked over night in LT, did some flushing till that was not to be seen and it sprayed fine. It was just a spec. But the nozzles are so tiny on that thing it's silly.

That kind of splattering may be caused by a slight clog.  Reclean it thoroughly.  Even a tiny spec in the nozzle or needle really screws up flow.

I thin tamiya paints 50:50 with isopropyl alcohol and spray at about 17PSI

Might play with the thinning ratio.  Some paints like up to 2:1, thinner to paint.

Tamiya I usually spray at 1:1 or a little thinner.

Just get a Paasche H.  Its the AK-47 of airbrushes.  

I thin each paint with their manufacturers thinner no more than 60/40.

im using a Sparmax Max 3 that is 0.3mm size. 

What size needle and tip are you using ? And explain your thinning process with both paint brands, including thinner products..

Yes, I have had some success with this airbrush, but to be honest, it's been mostly a bummer. I've had it about 3 years now, my first airbrush, so I have some experience now. 
how it's going to spray on any given day is a total lottery.

might be time to upgrade it.

keavdog

Was it working right before?  E.g. did you have successful thinning and air pressure?  

 

Check the needle port, and nozzle, there might be a tiny crack. The crack might deform the shape of the paint cone being sprayed.