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  • Member since
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  • From: Where the coyote howl, NH
Which respirator filter to choose?
Posted by djrost_2000 on Friday, February 4, 2005 7:23 PM
I'm choosing from one of these filters. Can anyone say which is the best for airbrushing enamels?

http://209.200.67.149/aosafety.com/industrial/cartridges.cfm

http://www.aearo.com/pdf/respirators/CART&FI.PDF#search='aearo%20cartridges%20filters'


Thank you,

Dave
  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Friday, February 4, 2005 8:00 PM
Since your enamel will be thinned with enamel thinner , mineral spirits or lacquer thinner, with lacquer commonly used to clean the airbrush, I would go with this one:

R51A (51475-00000)
Organic Vapors

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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  • From: The flat lands of the Southeast
Posted by styrene on Friday, February 4, 2005 9:19 PM
Hi, Dave.
Mike is correct...or at least half-way so. You'll definitely need the organic vapor cartrtidge he suggests: R51A (5147-00000), but you're also going to need the paint prefilter and holder that fits over the top of the organic vapor cartridge to take care of the particulates: R9500R (51057-00000).

One other option is to buy the combination organic vapor cartridge with the P100 prefilter: R51HE (5148-00000). P100 is the new designation for the older "HEPA" acronym.

One important final thought: Make SURE you buy the cartridges that fit the manufacturer's mask. You can't put AO filters on a 3M, MSA, North, or any other mask. AO filters will only fit AO masks; that's true for every manufacturer of respirators.

Gip Winecoff

1882: "God is dead"--F. Nietzsche

1900: "Nietzsche is dead"--God

  • Member since
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  • From: Where the coyote howl, NH
Posted by djrost_2000 on Friday, February 4, 2005 10:30 PM
Mike V and Styrene,

Thanks for your' time. My mask is definitely AO. It's by Aearo and those websites are for Aearo filters. The filter Mike V recommended is the type that's already in my mask. I knew it was time to change filters and was wondering if I needed to upgrade.

Thank you,

Dave
  • Member since
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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Friday, February 4, 2005 11:18 PM
Gip,

You mean that organic vapor cartridge will not trap paint particles?
That seems strange that it filters the organic part which is much smaller in microns I believe, and yet it won't filter the paint particles also. I never knew that.
I have always just used my MSA Comfo Elite mask with the organic cartridges on it alone. Is that also wrong?

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
  • Member since
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  • From: The flat lands of the Southeast
Posted by styrene on Saturday, February 5, 2005 7:39 AM
Hi, Mike!
Yep, organic vapor cartridges will not filter out particulates. The reason it filters vapors is that the activated charcoal adsorbs (as opposed to absorption) the vapor molecules onto the surface of the charcoal. The charcoal is sized in the cartridge to provide the maximum surface area for adsorption to occur, and to provide the highest efficiency as it happens (makes the cartridge last longer). In addition the solvent vapor itself has to be polar so that adsorption can occur. Non-polar solvents (such as some freons, for example) don't adsorb well at all on organic vapor cartridges.
Likewise, particulates are definitely not polar, do not absorb onto the charcoal, and over time, work their way through the cartridge due in part to the negative pressure inside the respirator produced during inhalation.

So, in order to protect yourself properly against hazards associated with painting, you need both a paint prefilter and an organic vapor cartridge.

Hope this helps you some, brother!
Gip

1882: "God is dead"--F. Nietzsche

1900: "Nietzsche is dead"--God

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  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Saturday, February 5, 2005 11:48 AM
Thanks once again for your much appreciated knowledge Gip.
I was not aware that MSA made a particulate filter that goes on along with the organic vapor one. Confused [%-)]
You learn something new every day. Wink [;)]

Mike

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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