this is for MikeV

QUOTE: Originally posted by I-beam Yes CA is bad but I read a post in here a while back from a doctor that clearly stated that CA is commonly used for closing up stuff in surgery. That doesn't mean it's safe because doctors use it but apparently this practice has been around for a while.

CA glue was invented for surgery originally.

Mike

QUOTE: Originally posted by MikeV Alright, where's our resident chemical experts? Mike

I'm not an expert (minor in chemistry a long time ago). I could look up the numbers (I apologize that I don't have them right now) but yes most thinners are flammable. Anyone ever use acetone to clean the airbrush? It works very well but is also combustable like gasoline. Lacquer thinner is probably pretty close to gasoline.

I actually called testors and requested the MSDS's for some of thier paints and thinners awhile back. They sent them right out. All companies are required to do this by law. The combustibility (if thats a word) info is in these.

QUOTE: Originally posted by Tankmaster7 She gets nervous enough about CA. (being a chemist she knows what it can do to you. Post back if you want a detailed description of the nasty things)

Yes CA is bad but I read a post in here a while back from a doctor that clearly stated that CA is commonly used for closing up stuff in surgery. That doesn't mean it's safe because doctors use it but apparently this practice has been around for a while.

EDIT: Acetone isn't more combustable than gas. I looked up some numbers here they are. Note, numbers vary and are dependent on manufacturer. You need to see the specific MSDS for your product to see exact values.

"Lies, Damn Lies, and statistics" - Mark Twain

material=========NFPA class======flash point========ignition point
gasoline ===========???=========== -40 =============== 280
acetone ============ 1B ========== -19 ================ 465
lacquer thinner ======???=========== -4 ================ 1
naptha ============???=========== 10 ================ 233-270
(main ingredient in most lacquer thinners)
ethanol ============ 1B ========== 9-12 =============== 365
ipa ================ 1B ========== 12 ================= 398

all temps in C
Painting is dangerous no matter how you look at it.

Actually I have heard of some people using gas as thinner, especially in automotive paints. I was also wondering, is gasoline any more dangerous than lacquer thinner in atomized form? Alright, where's our resident chemical experts?

Mike

cmon, the idea for an airbrush-fuel injector engine rules!!

gasaline works well for things

Good god, man!! Gasoline! My mom would flay me alive if I tried bringing gasoline anywhere near the house. She gets nervous enough about CA. (being a chemist she knows what it can do to you. Post back if you want a detailed description of the nasty things) But Your work is AMAZING so I respect your decision.

Silly question...where in your house are you airbrushing? Hopefully, not in the basement where your hot water heater and furnace might be.....

Hello Tomzag,

Glad to see you enjoy the hobby as much as you do, I looked at your models and they are extremely beautiful, awesome job.

Man becareful with the gasoline PLZ.... hard to paint withstubs instead of fingers. Keep up the good work and I wish you success. I myself have been looking for a way to make money from my models, be it corperate sponsorship or private collectors. If you make it I will be your best email buddy!! I'll pick your head for all the info I can get.

Again practice caution with the gasoline... if the atomized spray comes into contact with any heat source or spark at all..... man o man it wont be pretty.

Jeff

Imagine the sponsorship potential if he starts showing those tanks.

It's the evaporation factor that makes it so danderous. Tha fumes of gas and the atomization that makes it such a good fuel for int. comb. engines.

I can see the danger potential, but you all seem shocked that he's using gasoline. Considering how thin and how quickly it evaporates, I would have thought that it works very well as a paint thinner. Still though, I don't think you could pay me to actually spray that inside.

You know if you put alittle STP in there you could probably paint faster!!

QUOTE: Originally posted by Hatewall this thread just popped up as new to me or I missed it earlier. The Darwin awards come to mind.

That's funny because that same thing came to mind earlier tonight.
No offense Tomzag, we are just having a little fun.

Mike

this thread just popped up as new to me or I missed it earlier.

Gasoline for thinner.......Jesus H. ..........

I'm still weeping....and shuddering....and quivering......and curled up in my closet.

The Darwin awards come to mind.

Thanks Tom.
With your use of words I would have thought you were in another country.

Mike

I am in Lansdale, pa 19446.
my email is aiguo_zhang@hotmail.com if you want to write to me.
thanks,tom

Yes Tomzag, Ken is an awesome guy and I value our friendship.
It is rare to find an owner of a corporation that is so humble and down-to-earth.

Mike

PS Where are you located Tomzag? Just curious.

who told me"Mike knows badger airbrush like back of his hand"
now I know, only airbrush, also president.
Ken is great guy.

QUOTE: Originally posted by tomzag In the hobby show, he told me the meaning of "SOTAR". anybody knows?

Sotar stands for, "(S)tate (O)f (T)he (A)rt (R)esults."
Ken is a good friend of mine Tomzag.

Mike

mike, i can imagine using a spark plug in a machined chamber, with an aztek as a fuel injector :D

I do have moisture filter in my compressor, Thayer & Chandler Air Star V.

I would like to share a story about my SOTAR and AirStar.
I went to East coast hobby show in 2003 to help promote 1/16 RC battle tanks.
On the way out, I saw an airbrush booth. I only had Tamiya SprayWork then. I stoped and wanted to see what was good for me. The gentleman started to tell me defferent kind of air brush. He told it is all depending on what I use airbrush for.
I opened my carrying case and showed him my two RC tank,
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeochp7/id11.html
http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeochp7/id9.html
He looked amazed and told me those were the best big tanks he ever saw.
He told me I should send some pictures to Mr. Tamiya and told me he would sell SOTAR to me for $100 and SOTAR and AirStar for $100 and all fast switch coupling and hose for free. But I have to send him some pictures.
I thought he was trying to sell me something, I told him I did not have enough money and had to come back next day if I wanted it. I asked him for a name card. IT WAS PRESIDENT OF BADGER AIRBRUSH, MR. KEN.
I got home and did some research this package was $700 value, I would only pay $200.
I went to his booth next day, he told me he was sorry because he sold the airbrush at full price for $400. he told me do not worry. He would send me one after he went back to office. also he cut another $40.
A week later, Brand new SOTAR and Thayer & Chandler Air Star.
I send him some pictures and told him SOTAR is not really good for 1/16. It took so long to spray the whole tank, then brand new 150 came to my door and full line of paint.
In the hobby show, he told me the meaning of "SOTAR". anybody knows?

QUOTE: Originally posted by MusicCity I need an emoticon for a shudder .......

I think this emoticon may be fitting:

This may be what he looks like if he keeps using gasoline.
[:0]

Mike

QUOTE: Originally posted by tomzag I did mean Gasline. I found it is the best thinner for enaml paint, of course, you have to spray without somking and window fan on.

Doesn't it attack the plastic?
I would never, ever use gasoline in anything other than an internal combustion engine....period!
Use mineral spirits for enamel paints, they are far less dangerous and were designed for enamels.

Mike

QUOTE: Originally posted by abutt2 Just started using Tamiya thinner with Tamiya paints in a spray session tonight. What a world of difference. Thinned at 1:1 and blowing 20 lbs pressure...coverage was perfect and control made me as comfortable as I've ever been. Working on the basics for my Tiger II with winter clothes. bud

thats what I found bud... in fact I use Tamiya thinner for all my acrylics but Vallejo now.. (they thin with a different water based thinnner, or just plain distilled water) ... I swear by Tamiya thinner, and in the big 750ml bottle it goes a loooong way!

QUOTE: Originally posted by MikeV Tom, Can you imagine the potential for explosion with gas through an airbrush? [:0] That is atomized just right for detonation just like a fuel injector. Mike

exactly what I was thinking... I was kinda speechless... definitely modeling on "the edge" there...

Tomzag,
What is Gasline?

Just started using Tamiya thinner with Tamiya paints in a spray session tonight. What a world of difference. Thinned at 1:1 and blowing 20 lbs pressure...coverage was perfect and control made me as comfortable as I've ever been. Working on the basics for my Tiger II with winter clothes.

bud

I did mean Gasline. I found it is the best thinner for enaml paint, of course, you have to spray without somking and window fan on.

QUOTE: my 150 some time spit out thinner rather than paint, it is like the paint and thinner were seperated in the airbrush. or the water?

Do you have a moisture trap in your air line? This might be moisture condensing in the line and causing problems.

QUOTE: I use Gasline for enaml paint as thinner.

Um. You might want to find something else. Something that doesn't turn your airbrush into the world's smallest flamethrower.

Unless this is a new weathering technique?

I need an emoticon for a shudder .......