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  • Member since
    July 2004
  • From: Sonora Desert
Posted by stikpusher on Monday, December 17, 2007 3:58 PM
I am a die hard Humbrol fan. Once they are stirred/mixed properly, they give the best flat finish.  I just wish they had not discontinued so many of their colors. Certain oddball shades like Brown Bess, Track Colour, and USMC Green just cant be matched elsewhere. Too bad those are gone now.

 

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  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: Glue and paint smeared bench, in La La Land
Posted by dahut on Sunday, December 9, 2007 3:50 PM
except inverting the container and latex caulk. The materials used to seal quality paint will not "dry out" like a wine cork. They should be kept absolutely  clean, however.

Latex caulk is particularly susceptible to some solvents found in acrylic paints. It also contains plasticizers that migrate very well, and may do strange things to the paint. The best modern secondary sealer, if you feel the need, is PARAFILM M. It was and is made for just this purpose. Stretch out a bit and wrap it around the top of the bottle, overlapping the cap/lid and the bottle itself.

Oooooh, I like the Parafilm M suggestion. I can get tons of that stuff! Thanks.

Thanks to life events, I have only recently returned to scale modeling. Now, I'm no chemist and don;t claim to be. I know doodly about stuff like plasticisers and solvent migration and other sundry "painty " things.

But, in going through my old paints, I found many bottles of enamel that had been stored upside down, per my usual habit, and are still useable after years. I can't say the same about the acrylics - some of them are un-usable. The results varied and I wish I had taken better stock as to what was good and what wasn't. But on the whole, the majority of them still had use left in them.

The only thing I can think of is that the enamel paint at the edge of the rim dried out enough to make a seal and prevent further degradation... which is what was found once the lid was off and in the end, is good enough for me. It is indeed important to keep the threads and sealing surfaces clean, as you sggest, and I am fussy about that. Its one reason why I decant with pipettes, so as not to get paint all over these surfaces.

I know that wine corks are not the same as paint bottle seals, and it wasn't intended to be taken literally (I have noticed that modelers interpret things quite literally, so I will be a little more careful). The anlaogy was used as one that illustrates the point and "sticks" well in the mind.

Thanks for your comments though. I wont use the latex caulk and will stick to good old petroleum jelly.

Cheers, David
  • Member since
    January 2003
  • From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois
Posted by Triarius on Sunday, December 9, 2007 10:52 AM

At least the old formulations of Humbrol were some of the best paint I have ever encountered, IMHprofessionalO. Don't know about the newer stuff—but it's the only enamel I have or am willing to buy.

I agree with everything dahut said except inverting the container and latex caulk. The materials used to seal quality paint will not "dry out" like a wine cork. They should be kept absolutely  clean, however.

Latex caulk is particularly susceptible to some solvents found in acrylic paints. It also contains plasticizers that migrate very well, and may do strange things to the paint. The best modern secondary sealer, if you feel the need, is PARAFILM M. It was and is made for just this purpose. Stretch out a bit and wrap it around the top of the bottle, overlapping the cap/lid and the bottle itself.

Paints in plastic bottles, even acrylics, are likely to have a shorter shelf life than those kept in metal or glass. All plastics contain plasticizers the will migrate (slowly) into the paint over time, changing its properties, usually for the worse. Also, the more volatile solvents in the acrylics will equally slowly migrate into and through the plastic. 

 

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  • Member since
    February 2005
  • From: Cleveland, OH
Posted by RadMax8 on Sunday, December 9, 2007 10:37 AM
Those sound like very good tips Dahut. I had thought of turning my bottles upside down but I was always worried that it'd ooze out the threads and make it impossible to open! Thanks for sharing your experiences!
  • Member since
    January 2007
  • From: Glue and paint smeared bench, in La La Land
Posted by dahut on Sunday, December 9, 2007 10:21 AM

I always liked the Humbrol tins, so I guess that makes me an oddball. They were a little cranky to open, as they required some sort of lid key. But, since I decant with a pipette anyway into a mixing vessel, it wasnt too bad. 

When I first started all this modeling business, paint was sealed after use to keep air out. This was especially so for specific colors - unless you were a fast builder, your bottle of a particular color could sit for a long time.

Two ways of sealing them were recommended.

1. Dip the lids of the jars in molten wax. This allowed the hot wax to work down to the lid/bottle join and seal it

NOTE: Using the dripping wax from a candle also worked and was easier, by far..

2. Work a dab of peteroleum jelly around the lid, sealing it off. You have to be careful to keep it away from the opening, though, and you have to inspect it occasionally.

Today, I think a little Latex caulking might do the trick and it was always prudent to stand your bottles upside down. This has a silimar effect as wine keeping a sealing cork swollen.

Cheers, David
  • Member since
    February 2005
  • From: Cleveland, OH
Posted by RadMax8 on Sunday, December 9, 2007 10:18 AM

Daywalker, if you open a bottle of MM flat black, you've got about 5 minutesLaugh [(-D]

Nah you're right about the bench life... it's only about a month or two. Which sucks because I like that paint 

  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: Neenah, WI
Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Sunday, December 9, 2007 8:26 AM

RadMax nailed it with his statement about the containers being airtight. Keep the air and in some cases the light out the paint should last a very long time. Finding the right mix of cap and container is hard. Tins are probably the most durable, as long as the mating surfaces between the lid and tinlet are clean before resealing. I'm guilty of resealing my paint jars without wiping down the rim and threads before screwing on the cap that has paint clinging to the inside threads. So each time I unscrew the cap off, I get the crumbs all over my bench.

 

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  • Member since
    September 2003
  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Sunday, December 9, 2007 6:29 AM

I have a bunch of really old Tamiya paints that still look great in the jar.  As for the MM, what is the shelf life of flat black?  I could never seem to get that one to last more than a month or two after I opened it.

Frank 

 

  • Member since
    October 2003
  • From: Southern California
Posted by ModelNerd on Saturday, December 8, 2007 11:40 PM

I bought two tins of Humbrol in about 1983-84.

They're still good!!

 

- Mark

  • Member since
    February 2005
  • From: Cleveland, OH
Posted by RadMax8 on Saturday, December 8, 2007 6:04 PM
Testors enamel never seemed to have a good shelf life. Tamiya seems to last, and from what these gentlemen say so does humbrol. I think that the plastic lids of Tamiya and the tins of Humbrol keep air from circulating in and out of the container, whereas Testors was never really "airtight"
  • Member since
    May 2005
  • From: Left forever
Posted by Bgrigg on Saturday, December 8, 2007 3:11 PM
I'm surprised that the tins last that long! I have some Tamiya acrylic from around 1985 that is still usable, and some Testor's enamel that is not!

So long folks!

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State
Posted by rjkplasticmod on Saturday, December 8, 2007 3:01 PM

I don't use Humbrol much anymore because of lack of availability locally, but I used it extensively in the past.  I have some tins that must be 10 years old & it's still good.

Regards,  Rick

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  • Member since
    March 2005
  • From: West Virginia, USA
Say what you want about Humbrol ...
Posted by mfsob on Saturday, December 8, 2007 2:56 PM

... in its fiddly little tins, but this is one durable paint. I had been eying a dust-caked tin of No. 5 (gray) at the local hobby shop for some time (ship guys can never have enough shades of gray) and finally talked the owner into letting me have it for $1. Seeing as how it had been setting on the shelf at least the three years I'd been coming there, and that she'd stopped stocking Humbrol a number of years before that.

When I finally did open it, I was confronted with a revolting looking, granular, blobby pinkish-purple sludge. But after giving it a good stirring with a toothpick, then some prolonged shaking with a few BBs inside for agitators, it worked great!

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