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Cleaning with Windex.....longevity

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  • Member since
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  • From: Neenah, WI
Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 10:37 AM
One thing I do to keep my needles and tips pristine, I use a polishing stick occasionally to remove any oxidation from them left behind from the solvents. This keeps the air flowing smoothly along and across them. Just don't get too agressive, use the finest side with a light touch. If you etch into the plating, you'll have issues down the road.

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

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"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

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    January 2007
  • From: Glue and paint smeared bench, in La La Land
Posted by dahut on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:42 AM

Im with daywalker and the other experts. I use Badger tools and have used ammonia/water and ammonia based cleaners for years when airbrushing acrylics. No problems. Ditto for the hydro-solvents like spirits. To me it's sort of a given - these tools were made for these things, but weren't made to be abused. Most will understand this, but Some need a  rock up the side of the head.

But, a real important point to be made here is that these tools need maintenance periodically.

I'm a single action guy, so I keep a few seals and tips/cones on hand. You should too. Its money well spent. I

Cheers, David
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  • From: South Central Wisconsin
Posted by Daywalker on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 8:31 AM
I have been using my Badgers for years, and clean them often with Windex and have never had a problem.  In fact, the only problems I have had were caused by my own ham-fistedness. Sigh [sigh]

Frank 

 

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    April 2003
  • From: Hayward, CA
Posted by MikeV on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:27 PM

Just for another "expert" opinion I contacted David Monnig at Coast Airbrush in Anaheim.

This guy knows airbrushes!

He said the following:

People have used it for years. It can attack the brush but so can all other
acrylic cleaners. If you rinse with water right after the cleaner like you should always do anyway, I cant see it hurting the brush.
People often think the inside of these brushes are plated , they're not !
Everyone wants to be a critic and a hero ! They might as well say that the paint itself
can attack the brush because it can ! Everything breaks down over time .
I still see people with brushes that are over 20 years old that use windex to this day.
They are still working fine. 

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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  • From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois
Posted by Triarius on Monday, December 17, 2007 4:05 PM

 Bgrigg wrote:
All we need now is for Gip to come around and warn us of the dangers of breathing ammonia fumes and the subject can be closed! Wink [;)]

Oh, I can do that too, but Gip has better credentials for that. Cool [8D]


Jon, there's another fluid produced by the human body that actually contains ammonia. You might want to try that.…

 

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

jwb
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  • From: Parkton, NC
Posted by jwb on Monday, December 17, 2007 3:24 PM
 Triarius wrote:

The salt in human sweat is far more rapidly aggressive to the components of an air brush.

Darn, I was saving up a jar just for my airbrush!

Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]Laugh [(-D]

Jon Bius

AgapeModels.com- Modeling with a Higher purpose

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  • From: Left forever
Posted by Bgrigg on Monday, December 17, 2007 3:05 PM
All we need now is for Gip to come around and warn us of the dangers of breathing ammonia fumes and the subject can be closed! Wink [;)]

So long folks!

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  • From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois
Posted by Triarius on Monday, December 17, 2007 12:29 PM
Just noticed Bill's and Gerald's posts. I'd say the voices of experience and knowledge have spoken. Don't hesitate to thump the fellow with our credentials. Wink [;)]

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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  • From: Peoples Socialist Democratic Republic of Illinois
Posted by Triarius on Monday, December 17, 2007 12:25 PM

Mike, Ken at Badger is absolutely correct. Ammonia is aggressive to just about everything, BUT it is also relatively unstable at STP, and quite volatile.

The salt in human sweat is far more rapidly aggressive to the components of an air brush.

I wouldn't leave Windex or any ammonia compound in prolonged contact with any metal any more than I would leave a salt solution in the same situation.

Ross Martinek A little strangeness, now and then, is a good thing… Wink

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  • From: Neenah, WI
Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Monday, December 17, 2007 10:26 AM

My particular airbrush does have rubber o-rings not teflon ones as my newer units do. Come to think of it even my Iwata has o-rings!

Soaking in anything even water can eventually etch at things, even metal. Thats why as you suggested, rinsing is prudent. I just wipe down and use air to remove residual cleaners from my brushes. 

Hard water...when I lived in Montana our water heaters only last two years tops, due to the hard water. Which crunched in your mouth.Yuck [yuck]

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

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  • From: Left forever
Posted by Bgrigg on Monday, December 17, 2007 8:55 AM

The ammonia in Windex will affect the chrome finish by turning it black. If you left it to soak it might even take off the finish. That's why I always flush the airbrush out with distilled water. I use distilled water as I live in an area with very hard water and don't want calcium buildup.

I doubt very much it would affect the seals, teflon is a pretty tough substance and the o-ring shouldn't come into play.

I would say this "source" is a good example of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing". 

So long folks!

  • Member since
    August 2006
  • From: Neenah, WI
Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Monday, December 17, 2007 8:21 AM

If your airbrush has a chrome plated plastic body, it might be of concern. But metal bodied airbrushes are nickel plated and are very durable. Some of my airbrushes are twenty plus years old and have had no ill effects using Windex. They have however have had some from other solvent based cleaners. Usually the o-rings begin to dissolve.

IMPORTANT: Replace your airbrushes O-Rings (if equipped) with OEM parts. Some aftermarket O-Rings are not solvent resistant. Be sure if you do get replacement O-Rings from an aftermarket source you test them before you put them into your brush. Soak them in the chemicals you would normally use to clean your airbrush. It is easier to find that they are inferior before you find out you wasted both money and time trying to remove them once inside the brush.

Many of us look to save a buck or two when and where we can. Many of the O-Rings found in plumbing supplies will not be solvent tolerant. Automotive grade ones usually are...but test them first. 

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

  • Member since
    April 2003
  • From: Hayward, CA
Cleaning with Windex.....longevity
Posted by MikeV on Monday, December 17, 2007 12:15 AM

I was wondering how many of you have had Windex hurt your airbrush from cleaning with it?

Have any of you veterans used it for a really long time and still have had no problems?

I have a guy arguing with me on an airbrush forum that it will attack the chrome and the brass and hurt the seals, yada, yada. I say BULL!

I even contacted Ken at Badger and told him what this guy was saying and he told me this:

It does after an extremely prolonged period of time, but it does not effect airbrush performance regardless.  But no more than skin oils from prolonged usage and the related wear and tear of such usage.  Most if not all Water base paint cleaners are ammonia based as it is the best material to date for cleaning such materials.  Simple green is an alternative - however it also contains some ammonia I believe.  What are they recommending?  Alcohol, lacquer thinners and mineral spirits are certainly not suitable for removing acrylics as any residue left behind will affect future applications and will cause "gumming up" of the residual paints in the airbrush.

I agree with Ken and have cleaned my airbrushes for years with Windex and have never had a problem.  

 

Wisdom is the right use of knowledge. To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great a fool as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom. " Charles Spurgeon
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