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I have had this happen before but am now really concerned.
I am decalling an F117 Nighthawk, painted in flat black Tamiya acrylic, then sprayed with a coat of Future. As I put down the very thick Academy decals, then tried to use some Solvaset to settle them in.
Here is the result. This white discoloration that happens almost immediately as it dries. I thought it was just because I did not clean up but it does not come up even if I flood with water and absorb with Q-tips almost before it dries. And I cannot clean it off with water afterwords.
Is it the Solvaset reacting with Future? Help, for another ruined model!
Cheers, Jake
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Not to worry. Either Solvaset or water can react with Future to cause that discoloration. Just brush/spray on a little more Future, and it should disappear nearly instantly.
Greg
George Lewis:
Yes Solvaset is very "hot" on Future. I have had the same result on the few times that I have used the two products together. I hope that it cleans up for you Jake.
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WOW!!! Now that is amazing. Almost like voodoo. How did you ever figure that out? Thanks so much for the most practical solution I have seen in a looooooong time.
So I assume this might also happen with other setting/softening solutions?
Now if those 1999 Academy deals would have acted a little better..........
Thanks Carlos - I was sure skeptical until I saw the white disappear. Maybe this will help you also in the future. Bad pun.
Well this knowledge will surely come in handy and allow me to resume my use of Solvaset with Future. I have only been using it on decals applied to painted surfaces w/o Future since my incidents of this sort. Can you post an "after" pic here Jake? I would love to see the save.
pathvet9 So I assume this might also happen with other setting/softening solutions?
Almost certainly. Anything with alcohol or ammonia (to name but a few) can oxidize/whiten the Future. I've even (occasionally) had it happen just from the water on the decal alone. It doesn't happen every time, but it's really scary when it happens the first time. Luckily it's a simple fix.
Party on!
I've only seen it happen once, after using the Future/MicroSol combination for around 10 years. On a black surface, of course! Just for kicks, I hit it with another shot of MicroSol, & it cleared right up. (Wanted to try that before I sealed it in with Future!)
How long are you guys waiting between Future and setting solutions? I always leave at least a day, sometimes several days.
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You have to let the Future cure no less than 2 -3 days before using setting solutions. I would wait even longer just to be safe. Another method to apply decals with clear backings on flat surfaces is to brush a little Future on, slide the decal on the wet Future then brush a light coat of Future on then set it aside to dry. The silvering will dissappear completely.
Too many models to build, not enough time in a lifetime!!
plastickjunkie You have to let the Future cure no less than 2 -3 days before using setting solutions. ....
You have to let the Future cure no less than 2 -3 days before using setting solutions.
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The pace of my building naturally takes advantage of this for the most part!
VanceCrozier plastickjunkie: You have to let the Future cure no less than 2 -3 days before using setting solutions. .... The pace of my building naturally takes advantage of this for the most part!
plastickjunkie: You have to let the Future cure no less than 2 -3 days before using setting solutions. ....
VC
That's a good approach. I don't like to rush in this hobby which is meant for lelaxation .
yup.. you guys nailed it.. I had the same answer... ! good luck with the save !
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I like to wait at least one day after the Future is applied before I start decaling. However the first time I tried Solvaset, due to the lack of success with Micro Sol on the decals, the time period was closer to several weeks between the application of the Future and the application of the Solvaset. I first had to hit all the LHS to find the stuff. That took awhile. So coat curing time was not an issue there.
Carlos - I agree as I had let that Future cure for a week.
Junkie - sounds like a good solution as then one does not have to wait for the Future to cure. I may tru that next,but for now, I have returned to black surfaces. Yea!
I use solvaset and had the exact same thing happen a while back on a FW 190 I built. I thought it was ruined, but amazingly no harm done once a coat of future was put over it. whew. I agree with others on here. Let future cure at least a few days. I've tried spraying future on and a few hours later, decaling. Not a good idea!
-Tom
OK, Jake, lets see the save here my friend Pics!!!
Carlos - as you wrote, I was trying to get a decent picture with the glossy Future on top.
Here it is. Now if the decals had been of better quality! Not even Solvaset was of help.
Run a new x-acto blade along those panel lines where the decals are not cooperating and then some more solvent. That should cure the snuggling issues there. Then if you have more whitening, we now know how to fix that problem.
stikpusher Run a new x-acto blade along those panel lines where the decals are ....
Run a new x-acto blade along those panel lines where the decals are ....
Something I always do as well.
Wow, if those tail decals were the only issue but all the little ones are thick and silver-edged as well. Don't think I want to mess more, as I have already picked one up with tape, so I will hope that a covering layer of dullcote with Future will end the build.
Based on your picture, you might not be getting a good full seal with the future. Acrylics need to be applied with a fairly heavy "wet" coat to smooth out well for decaling. Otherwise they dry semi gloss (like your picture) and decals can be finicky on even that much surface porosity. Your future coat should be full gloss and as smooth as possible for a good snug fit. If you can lift off the decals with tape, the surface is not sealed enough ( usually ). Good save though!
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Geof - thanks for following along this thread. I think you have definitely hit on the ultimate cause of my trouble. I do remember that I was not wanting to put too much Future in place. Know now I need more thin layers before decalling.
Thanks.
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