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FINISHED PICS! "Bigfoot Brummbar"
Posted by the doog on Friday, February 1, 2008 1:59 PM

Hi guys, just sitting here in NY, enjoying the ice storm, and what a nice day to post my finally-finished DML late Brummbar. It's got scratchchbuilt and Eduard PE details and skirt rails, and winterketten tracks.

I've decided to forgo a full recount of the painting and finishing processes, as I'm eager to get into my own deep-snow tuorial with the Tamiya food kitchen, but I have a few technique-shots here that I'll describe.

I tried something a bit different here on the paint. After giving the model a wash of light tan--mixed with white, raw umber and yellow...

 

...I then waited for it to dry and took straight colors from the botte of the camo colors (Tamiya Red-Brown and Model Master Panzer Olivgrun) and stippled and "scratched" the paint, using alternately "straight" paint, and thinned-with-water paint, simulating wear in the dust coating the vehicle. I thought it came out pretty cool...

And then I added some pastels around the running gear, etc. Weathering was done with oil dots and chipping with both the sponge method and a flat brush. Here's the finished  photos in "walkaround format--any questions on how I did what are of course, welcomed, and comments, "atta-boys", criticisms, and discussions about degree-of-weathering and opposing points-of-view are also encouraged and heartily welcomed! Laugh [(-D]

...the TC--I took Manny's advice and used a more apppropriate figure from the New Miniart Winter Tank Crew set. Thanks Manny, for the painting advice as well! Big Smile [:D]Thumbs Up [tup]

...and a flash-shot taken which shows the weathering effect on the top hull. Also, note the "ice" in the bicket here--to show that it's a late-war vehicle, circa "The Bulge" time; it also coincides with the "Winter" theme. The ice is just cyanacrolate gel; "thick" super glue.

 

 

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, February 1, 2008 2:09 PM

Nice work Doog, and perfect subject matter for your wintry NY atmosphere!

Just a curiosity, why the choice of primer red for the spare road wheels on the rear deck?

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Posted by ps1scw on Friday, February 1, 2008 2:13 PM

Lovely, the figure is "top shelf".  Love the paint effects.  I'll have to put one of these on my list.

Worst thing about this forum is that my efforts don't seem to match up with what is shown here...well maybe someday...

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Posted by panzer88 on Friday, February 1, 2008 2:28 PM
Another beauty!! I love the weathering and the figure is sweeet!! The winterketten tracks give it a unique but very cool effect. Your work is very inspiring, makes me want to go build now. Great job!!!Bow [bow]

     

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Posted by jthurston on Friday, February 1, 2008 2:30 PM

Hoo-wee that's purdy right there! Cowboy [C):-)]

Love the different weathering. Scratches look perfect. I'm also lovin that camo job on the fig, and I also gotta say the track are dead on. Absolutely beautiful work, as always!

 

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Posted by Kykeon on Friday, February 1, 2008 2:55 PM
Really impressive Doog! I like the little details like the fender springs. The Winterkette make this machine look particularly mean. The finish is outstanding.  My only nit-pick is the headlight, it looks a little odd. I'd toss it for a AM one, like the one in Tamiya's PzIV onboard tool set.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 1, 2008 3:19 PM
Awesome work, doog---really top-notch.  Maybe the nicest Grizzly I've seen...fig turned out great; I think it is A MUCH better choice than your original. Funny, I have started using that same wash technique! I found that light colored washes/filters will replicate a dusty look if done right...one question, the cross on the front, is that based on a ref? Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by the doog on Friday, February 1, 2008 3:45 PM

Hey thanks, guys! I'm happy to hear all the comments and thanks to all who take the time to respond; you know that I definitely appreciate it! Big Smile [:D]

wbill76--I chose primer red for the wheels because I saw it on a build once, and just though it looked cool; a different color that would, theoretically, be possible. Here again, it's an "artistic" interpretation, as it seems to support the "myth", if you will, of the late war "paint shortages" and the fact that some tanks were sent out with primer red base coats due to those shortages and changes in painting policy. Just "something different"!...Whistling [:-^]

psc1w--thanks--love the avatar, by the way! LOL! 

panzer88 and jthurston--thanks for the compliments! 

kykeon--thanks too; glad you noticed the springs I fashioned! It's nice to hear it was worth the effort! 

I'll be honest--I have no idea what you mean about the headlight? I didn't even notice a thing "off" about it--what looks weird about it? I'm seriously curious!

Manny--thanks, friend!; glad you approve of the figure and the finish! The cross on the front is indeed from a ref photo, included here....it's on a late-war Brummbar, albeit wothout zimm, but I liked the way it looked; a little different than most that you see? Smile [:)]

Thanks again all! Make a Toast [#toast]

 

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Posted by Kykeon on Friday, February 1, 2008 3:57 PM
Doog; I'm not sure of how many minor varations there are of a Bosch headlight, but I know there are some. It just looks like the cover is somewhat flat, but then I looked at the one on the Munster Tiger II in my avatar, and it looks rather flat too, so maybe it's nothing...
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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, February 1, 2008 4:15 PM
 the doog wrote:

wbill76--I chose primer red for the wheels because I saw it on a build once, and just though it looked cool; a different color that would, theoretically, be possible. Here again, it's an "artistic" interpretation, as it seems to support the "myth", if you will, of the late war "paint shortages" and the fact that some tanks were sent out with primer red base coats due to those shortages and changes in painting policy. Just "something different"!...Whistling [:-^]

It worked, drew my attention right to it, which is why I asked the question. Figured you had a reason, just didn't know what it was. The "artistic" element definitely adds to the variety. Wink [;)] Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by madmike on Friday, February 1, 2008 4:24 PM

A marvellous job Doog. Nicely done.

I must admit I am not in the heavy weathering group either when I build aircraft and now 1:72 armour.

But I know a good model when I see one!

Cheers

Mike 

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, February 1, 2008 4:27 PM
Same comments: Fig is excellent, the winterkette tracks give it a unique look. I recall this boy in the beginning and it took some TLC to get to this. Definately paid off. Again, you and Ron make weathering look so darn easy.

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Posted by wing_nut on Friday, February 1, 2008 4:48 PM
Real nice work doog. I really gotta start paying attention to how your guys do this stuff.  I like the level of weathering... real dirty but not muddy.

Marc  

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Posted by tigerman on Friday, February 1, 2008 5:34 PM

 wing_nut wrote:
Real nice work doog. I really gotta start paying attention to how your guys do this stuff.  I like the level of weathering... real dirty but not muddy.

I agree. Less of the details are hidden by the mud. IMHO. As you will learn, to each their own in weathering. Weathering is a far cry from A/C, but I'm sure some there like to make them all beat up, much like in armor, though undoubtedly less so. Bottom line is do it the way that pleases you.

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Posted by Stampede on Friday, February 1, 2008 5:34 PM

Awesome work, Doog!

I really love your weathering technique....and the figure....great! Bow [bow]

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Posted by bufflehead on Friday, February 1, 2008 6:55 PM

So that's what you've working on all this time!!  That is one mighty fine looking bear if you don't mind me saying!!  So is the winterketten on to help reduce the ground pressure of that big grizzly?  I also noticed the all steel roadwheels...is this also commmon with these vehicles?

Overall this is a nice, nice build doog!  I love it all, paint scheme, weathering, the banged up but not overly so look of the beast, but I have to say that the TC is particulary well done!  Is he really from the Miniart Winter Panzer Crew set??  Where can I get a set?   I need it for my Winter Warriors GB!!

BTW, congrats again on your "Spooked" article in FSM!!  I picked up that copy just last week....really awesome dio dude!!

Ernest

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Posted by the doog on Friday, February 1, 2008 7:27 PM

Again, thanks to all who take the time to respond! Make a Toast [#toast]Yeah!! [yeah]

Madmike, wingnut, stampede, and tigerman--much apppreciated, guys! I just gave the suspension a light coat of MIG "Dried Mud"-to apply it, I simply ran a thinner-soaked wide brush over the lower hull above the wheels, and then dipped a fat brush into the powder jar and tapped the powder off over the wet hull, and that sealed it right to the hull. I only added a light brushing of them over the wheel faces.

bufflehead--thank you! Yeah, this baby took a looong time, but it was interupted by my building of all Jenn's Christmas and birthday presents, so it was well worth it! 

I have to commend you on a very astute observation as well--the all-steel roadwheeels. To be honest, most photos I've seen of them have the standard 4X rubber and 4X steel wheels--but the DML kit has all 8 as steel wheels. The model is based on--I'm presuming--the late Brummbar in the Samur which has all eight. This is the example upon which I based most of my build. I just couldn't resist adding the rails; they seem to be in most photos sans the actual skirts themselves, and I'm assuming that they were just stripped before being shipped?

Photo courtesy of Jtrowbridge5  on "webshots"

Thanks for the kudo's for "Spooked"--glad you enjoyed it! BTW, the miniart figs set is available  through Squadron. Smile [:)]

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Posted by disastermaster on Friday, February 1, 2008 7:30 PM

"atta-boy!"

Approve [^] Soon as I finish cleaning the house up I'm going to be back building.

Make a Toast [#toast] This is a first-rate build in my opinion. Big Smile [:D] I like everything about it. Thumbs Up [tup] Super!

Now, where's my toilet brush  ........ 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 1, 2008 9:56 PM
 the doog wrote:

Hey thanks, guys! I'm happy to hear all the comments and thanks to all who take the time to respond; you know that I definitely appreciate it! Big Smile [:D]

wbill76--I chose primer red for the wheels because I saw it on a build once, and just though it looked cool; a different color that would, theoretically, be possible. Here again, it's an "artistic" interpretation, as it seems to support the "myth", if you will, of the late war "paint shortages" and the fact that some tanks were sent out with primer red base coats due to those shortages and changes in painting policy. Just "something different"!...Whistling [:-^]

psc1w--thanks--love the avatar, by the way! LOL! 

panzer88 and jthurston--thanks for the compliments! 

kykeon--thanks too; glad you noticed the springs I fashioned! It's nice to hear it was worth the effort! 

I'll be honest--I have no idea what you mean about the headlight? I didn't even notice a thing "off" about it--what looks weird about it? I'm seriously curious!

Manny--thanks, friend!; glad you approve of the figure and the finish! The cross on the front is indeed from a ref photo, included here....it's on a late-war Brummbar, albeit wothout zimm, but I liked the way it looked; a little different than most that you see? Smile [:)]

Thanks again all! Make a Toast [#toast]

 

Wow, that is cool and very rare to see a cross on the front like that, particularly at that stage of the war...I like this build a lot, even with my "less is more" philosophy on weathering i think it has a good balance and reflects a wintery atmosphere...

As far as late war tanks having primer as part of their camo, that is no myth...Actually, in the Fall of '44 many AFV's were primed and then 1/3 was sprayed w/ green and another 1/3 in dark yellow. The remainder was left in primer and sorta substituted the brown camo color. This is well-documented.

Nice job!!!

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Posted by wbill76 on Friday, February 1, 2008 10:11 PM
 Mansteins revenge wrote:

As far as late war tanks having primer as part of their camo, that is no myth...Actually, in the Fall of '44 many AFV's were primed and then 1/3 was sprayed w/ green and another 1/3 in dark yellow. The remainder was left in primer and sorta substituted the brown camo color. This is well-documented. 

Disclaimer: What I'm about to type is not necessarily something I agree with personally, but is a subject of ongoing debate in many circles. There is a point of controversy owing to the possible mistranslation of the original German orders into English by Jentz from Spielberger. Whether the order actually reads that the vehicles were to be primed and then basecoated in overall olive green with 1/3 dark yellow and 1/3 red-brown in 1944 at the factory in place of the previous overall dark yellow orders is hotly contested with arguments possible on both sides for/against. (Almost as hotly contested as field applied zim!). Given the color of red-oxide primer and the fact that there weren't any documented shortages of paint stocks at the factories themselves(there were a few panzers sent out in overall primer due to time urgency), only orders given that in the event of a paint shortage factories could resort to using older schemes like Panzer Gray, lends credence to the argument against primer being incorporated into the schemes. Many point to the famous "octopus" scheme Tiger II as a case in point that literally drove out of the factory in full paint scheme meant for June 1945 to defend the plant at Kassel where it was knocked out as evidence of this.

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Saturday, February 2, 2008 12:23 AM

doog,

First impression when I saw these pictures was WOWShock [:O]Shock [:O]Shock [:O]!!! 

This a real work of art doog!!! You my friend, are without a doubt, a master of this "canvas"!!!  

I have spent about 30 minutes studying all the pictures and looking at all the detail REALLY   closely and I do have some comments; but before I do I want to step into your "brain" and make sure I'm correctly interpreting what you are trying to portray.  Here goes: first of all, I know nothing about a "Brummbar", in fact the name makes me think of those big hairy creatures in that children's story..."where the monsters are"...or something like that.  That being said, the name fits this beast...It sounds beefy, brutish and muscular, and that's the first impression I get from your model.  From the winterketten tracks and the cold weather attire of the figure this is obviously depicting a cold setting and you are trying to depict the "beating" this climate inflicts on a tank.  OK, if I'm close my comments make sense...if not, this unravels quickly...with that in mind I'll continue...in no particular order:

The rust on the tracks, spares and many other areas around the tank do a great job of conveying the "beating of winter"...you know how much I love rustWink [;)].  I'd have gone so far as having that rust "run" down from that spare track and spill dow the lower hull, the late winter thaw cyles would cause this to happen. 

I really like the "chipped" zimmerit look and the exposed primer beneath is great.  I think it is what "justifies" the red primer spares...the front and back work together...it makes the spares look like they were done that way on purpose.  I think the metallic edges at this primer is too much though, too worn.  I could see how a jar, schrapnel, etc. to the tank would knock off the zim'  but enough continous wear, in that exact area, to cause it to wear down to metal would be unlikely.  You nailed it with the chipped zim' and primer..I'd have let it go at that.

The top of the engine deck and the top of the barrel turret aren't weathered enough..didn't think you'd ever hear that one did ya'?  Where is the grime,wear and completely worn off paint?  The paint on the top of the turret is too clean still, and I only say that as I look at the lower half of the tank. I see the amount of effort you expended there to show the winter effects but the top half doesn't look quite as worn.  The corners and edges could use a drybrush or the "metallic poking through" look.  I suspect the green and red-brown swatches are to be evidence of this wear, but they are a bit too clean.  The upper hatch area is SUPERB, beautiful metallic work there, right down to the worn rivets where the map is,  and I love that handle on the top of the turret. 

The engine deck could use a little more weathering too...that's twice, the planets must be aligning!  The engine compartment doors don't show evidence of banging together or being dropped shut...you know, those little "biffa" chips on the edges and hinges. 

The rear left light doesn't appear to be finished...no green or red lenses...could just be the photo...

Lastly...the crosses are a bit too clean...they could use more weathering too...OK, THIRD TIME..."you know where" must be freezing over.

Truly inspiring work doogBow [bow]!!!  Thanks for posting it for the rest of us to enjoyMake a Toast [#toast]!!!

SMJmodeler

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 2, 2008 4:31 AM
 wbill76 wrote:
 Mansteins revenge wrote:

As far as late war tanks having primer as part of their camo, that is no myth...Actually, in the Fall of '44 many AFV's were primed and then 1/3 was sprayed w/ green and another 1/3 in dark yellow. The remainder was left in primer and sorta substituted the brown camo color. This is well-documented. 

Disclaimer: What I'm about to type is not necessarily something I agree with personally, but is a subject of ongoing debate in many circles. There is a point of controversy owing to the possible mistranslation of the original German orders into English by Jentz from Spielberger. Whether the order actually reads that the vehicles were to be primed and then basecoated in overall olive green with 1/3 dark yellow and 1/3 red-brown in 1944 at the factory in place of the previous overall dark yellow orders is hotly contested with arguments possible on both sides for/against. (Almost as hotly contested as field applied zim!). Given the color of red-oxide primer and the fact that there weren't any documented shortages of paint stocks at the factories themselves(there were a few panzers sent out in overall primer due to time urgency), only orders given that in the event of a paint shortage factories could resort to using older schemes like Panzer Gray, lends credence to the argument against primer being incorporated into the schemes. Many point to the famous "octopus" scheme Tiger II as a case in point that literally drove out of the factory in full paint scheme meant for June 1945 to defend the plant at Kassel where it was knocked out as evidence of this.

There may very well still be debate among this, but all of my newest refs seem to accept it; I guess we'll never know for sure...One point, however: my refs don't cite paint shortages as the reason for the incorporation of red-oxide into the scheme, but rather a effeciency, or time-saving, issue...it was just easier for the factories to add yellow and green to the scheme and use the oxide as the "new brown"...there was also the realization that front-lines end-users of the tanks usually didn't have the time to apply camo in the field as in the past...
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Posted by Thunderbolt379 on Saturday, February 2, 2008 5:52 AM

Tip o'th' hat to ye, Doog, ye'r a master. My initial thought was that such a sequence of techniques was in danger of ending up a kind of muddy monotone, but you pulled it off great.

Oh, and the January FSM just hit the shelves here in Aus -- awesome dio, that shattered Panzer is a work of art. My bro in law was asking about models of wrecked tanks just last week.

Cheers,

TB379

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Posted by Carves on Saturday, February 2, 2008 8:13 AM

Dunno what to say anymore about your model Doog.

It's already beyond any words that I can think off my coo-coo brain.

They are just a work of art. Truly amazing.

Now, did anyone count what tank # is this. Seems like now Doog has his own basement tank factory.  

Stevo you read this ? We need to install hidden camera inside Doog tank factory Whistling [:-^]

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Posted by terry35 on Saturday, February 2, 2008 8:22 AM

Excellent, superb job, I really like the zimm, again just cool.

Regards,

Terry.

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Posted by the doog on Saturday, February 2, 2008 11:58 AM

Thank you again, to:

terry35, Carves, (ha ha--actually I've had more of a "horse factory" here this year if you saw my Christmas presents posts in figures/diorama! Laugh [(-D]), TB379 (Wow, all the way from Australia they have my "SPOOKED!" article in FSM there too? Cool! Glad you enjoyed it! Blush [:I])  and dsastermaster--Steve, if "The  Master" himself says it's  good 'nuff, then I can sleep well! Laugh [(-D]

THANKS GUYS!!!! 

wbill76--that's reallyinteresting info; I wasn't even aware of the controversy. As far as my feelings on it, I guess that I'd have to say that until we get definitive word on it one way or the other, I will trust the original translation; besides, right now it seems to be more-or-less accepted conventional wisdom?

Thanks for chiming in again, Manny! 

SMJmodeler--WOW, you really think? What're ya, trying to start a discussion on appropriate weathering or something? Whistling [:-^]...Laugh [(-D]

To be honest, I sort of agree about the steel highlights under the chips--I had to look at that three times before just deciding to leave it, but I may repaint it to lessen the effect. 

As far as the rest of your suggestions, I will weather the crosses again, you're right there. And it might get some more chips on the gun barrel--that photo I posted there shows chipped paint on the gun barrel. And the engine deck hatches will also get some.

I don't think I'll do much more beyond that to the top hull--idon't forget that it IS a "late war" vehicle, and wouldn't have a large amount of time-in-the-field. I actually DID take that into account when I was weathering it, and I didn't want to "overdo it".The weathering on the TC hatch would come from the TC himself, plus the anti-aircraft mount which ran around the race ther; beyond that, I guess I can't see a real reason to weather the top of the hulll beyond what it is already. But your other observations are pretty much right on, and well-considered! Thank you for the input and the sharp eyes! Make a Toast [#toast]Wow!! [wow]

I'm also gonna "weather" the TC's jacket a bit--it looks like he just got it off the racks at Burlington's ! Laugh [(-D] 

Great comments all! Thanks agan for all our input, and for taking the time topost a reply! Big Smile [:D] 

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Posted by Bodge on Saturday, February 2, 2008 3:42 PM
Stunning, First rate in all departments Thumbs Up [tup]AAA+
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Posted by dupes on Saturday, February 2, 2008 4:16 PM

Wow Doog, VERY cool. Know you've been slaving away on this one for quite a while, certainly worth the time! Thumbs Up [tup]Approve [^]Thumbs Up [tup]

Brings up a question I've been meaning to ask you - any changes that need to be made to the oil dot method when using it over zim? I've got a Panther A in the works and I've been wondering what I would need to do differently (if anything) so as not to have oil paint all over the place. Heh.

BTW, that fig is pretty swanky as well. Wink [;)]

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Posted by SMJmodeler on Saturday, February 2, 2008 4:32 PM

dupes,

I'll let "the doog" answer on the 'oil dot" question in detail..I just saw your post so I thought I'd chime in with a couple of pics of how I used this technique on my camo' for my T34...I was really happy with the results:

hope this helps!

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Posted by dupes on Saturday, February 2, 2008 4:56 PM

Huh. Can't say I've ever seen a T-34 with THAT scheme before...

SMJ - I've used the oil thingy a few times (with good results), just never on a vehicle with zim. Checking to see if it's still done the same way - think about all that paint getting into the zim! Ecchhh! Yuck [yuck]

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