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FINISHED PICS! -- Pg 6 DML ersatz M10 Panther OOB WIP

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FINISHED PICS! -- Pg 6 DML ersatz M10 Panther OOB WIP
Posted by the doog on Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:18 PM

Hi guys,

OK, so I've been holding out on ya's a little bit....Blush [:I] just to get something to show here on this build. Since it's such a straightforward build, I wanted to do it generally OOB.

Here's the box opened up....LOTS--and I mean LOTS--of unused parts to be saved for the spares box.

 

The torsion bar asssembly--let me tell ya; this takes a whole night to do properly! And they don't sit as definitively as the regular "old" was of mounting the wheels. It was a bit of a pain to get them to sit evenly.

 

Well, even though this will probably disqualify it for an OOB entry in a contest, I still coudn't resist putting in some damage on the fenders. This is evidnet in some of the photos of the M10s in existence during WWII. I used my Dremel to thin the plastic from behind...

This not only let me poke an exacto blade through them, but to bend them simply with my finger, like aluminum.

The light was left out of the socket, and copper wire inserted where it was busted out. The kit is basically built at this point; the turret armor rests upon four protruding "arms". I'm leaving that armor off until I paint it underneath.

I also added some damage along the side fenders...this too, is evident in some of the photos.

The model with teh turret armor sitting on the mounts. Note the PE parts to secure the spare tracks--pretty cool.

 

Overall, the detail is impreesive as hell on this model. It builds up quicker than your average Panther because of the lack of many smal details, and the tools are pretty much not there. There is a wire for the Notek light, missing suspension details, wingnuts, and inner hatch details that are impressive. Let me assure ya--this ain't your daddy's Panther!

This will be an interesting paint job--American Olive Drab! A new finish for me on the FSM site, I'm pretty sure? Should be fun to get around to it.

I'm also working on my own ride--a Chevy S10 truck by AMT, so it may be a bit slower going, but I'll have some base coat down tomorrow I'm sure....Smile [:)]

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:48 PM
Oh, hell yeah! Perfect kit for you to make your "comeback" on, doog...Question: would the "base" Panther still be in dark-yellow with just the "shell" painted OD? Would make a heck of a color contrast! In reality, prob not, but artistically----cool!
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Posted by scratchmod on Sunday, September 27, 2009 6:56 PM

Nice to see your still building Doog, and it's looking good so far. I agree with 'ya manny, the color contrast would be very cool.

looking forward to seeing more updates Doog.

 

Rob

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:30 PM

Well Well will wonders never cease? It's about time Karl.Approve [^]

Tony the Mutt

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Posted by wbill76 on Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:59 PM

 the doog wrote:
Well, even though this will probably disqualify it for an OOB entry in a contest, I still coudn't resist putting in some damage on the fenders. 

Off to a great start and glad to see you're getting in some build time Karl! The rules on OOB usually say you can't add anything...they say nothing about taking stuff away...so this one would still qualify as OOB with what you're doing to it. Right up until you added the wire on the headlight that is. Wink [;)]

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Posted by disastermaster on Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:38 PM

AHHH......

  A rerturn to normalcy.

 https://i.imgur.com/LjRRaV1.png

 

 

 
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Posted by Schnobs on Monday, September 28, 2009 12:20 AM

Hey Karl,

The planets are back in alignment welcome back Karl! Sign - Welcome [#welcome]  I am looking forward to your interpretation of this vehicle.

 

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Posted by lexesbenz on Monday, September 28, 2009 12:29 AM
ITS about time, do you know the withdrawl you put me through Karl???? lol, Looking great so far.
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Posted by I make stuff on Monday, September 28, 2009 12:49 AM

Finally.

Welcome back.

Looking good so far, waiting for paint.

Bill

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Monday, September 28, 2009 3:19 AM

Looking real good Karl!Nice work on the damaged fenders.Thumbs Up [tup]

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by Bish on Monday, September 28, 2009 3:24 AM
Looking real good Karl. Been eyeing this kit up, like you i don't use OD much. Will be watching this build.

I am a Norfolk man and i glory in being so

 

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Posted by the doog on Monday, September 28, 2009 9:25 AM

Thanks for the posts, guys! It's been good to get back to the bench again. There's just so much to build, so little time--you kow the routine! Sigh [sigh]

Manny, that would be ab interesting build, but I don't know how accurate that would be. The way it loks to me, these tanks have been pretty thoroughly modified in a workshop, and it looks like they were pretty welll painted, from what I can tell?

A guy on Armorama did a quick build of one already, and he painted it similar to what you suggested--he even has old turret numbers on the back hatch, and I think DY wheels. I think I'm going to go more with an overall OD--my instinct tells me that, knowing the Germans, and the long odds on this plan working, they were probably pretty thorough in their execution of it.

Will be going for a base coat today...pics later, perhaps....Smile [:)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 28, 2009 10:19 AM
 the doog wrote:

Thanks for the posts, guys! It's been good to get back to the bench again. There's just so much to build, so little time--you kow the routine! Sigh [sigh]

Manny, that would be ab interesting build, but I don't know how accurate that would be. The way it loks to me, these tanks have been pretty thoroughly modified in a workshop, and it looks like they were pretty welll painted, from what I can tell?

A guy on Armorama did a quick build of one already, and he painted it similar to what you suggested--he even has old turret numbers on the back hatch, and I think DY wheels. I think I'm going to go more with an overall OD--my instinct tells me that, knowing the Germans, and the long odds on this plan working, they were probably pretty thorough in their execution of it.

Will be going for a base coat today...pics later, perhaps....Smile [:)]

I wonder if they used new Panthers for the mods or rebuilt field units??? If they used existing ones, it would be cool to see some of the original livery still intact...

Of course, there is not enough documentation to determine exactly what colors were used---or even if the Germans used the same OD color as the American shade or just used their RAL Green??? Was just thinking it could add a lot color interest to an otherwise [olive]drab build...could even use red-primer on the inside faces of the armor "shell"...

Regardless, just some ideas, I'll be watching this one closely !!!  I like the damaged fenders, by the way... 

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Posted by mg.mikael on Monday, September 28, 2009 12:41 PM
Wow, doog is back and building.....finally.Wink [;)] This build just seems to flying together, will be watching to see how it turns out.

"A good plan executed now is better than a perfect plan next week." - George S. Patton

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Posted by dupes on Monday, September 28, 2009 4:52 PM
Doog - you're flying through this one! Can't wait to see what you do to the OD. Thumbs Up [tup]
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Posted by Glamdring on Monday, September 28, 2009 9:11 PM

I must have been living under a rock, I didn't even know DML finally moved this kit to the shelves....after 6 or 7 (?) years  Black Eye [B)]

Looking forward to seeing this one completed though.

Robert 

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Posted by panzerguy on Monday, September 28, 2009 9:46 PM

  Doog, nice to see you back. I was wondering when we'd be seeing one of your wips again. Like Manny said great choice.

   Here's an idea, how about painting the front half, from the muzzle to middle of the turret OD and the rear half in a three tone scheme?  You could paint the rear part of the plates on the turret with the red oxide. That would make for some serious color variations.

  

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Posted by subfixer on Monday, September 28, 2009 10:02 PM
I wonder what the Jerries did with that factory applied zimmerit?

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 28, 2009 10:37 PM

 subfixer wrote:
I wonder what the Jerries did with that factory applied zimmerit?
LOL...those were late G's that were modified, so as far as I know, no zimm...field or otherwise...

...of course that would be funny..."Sir, I see a column of M-10's approaching---and they are covered in zimmerit!!!"

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Posted by the doog on Monday, September 28, 2009 11:46 PM

 Mansteins revenge wrote:
 the doog wrote:

Thanks for the posts, guys! It's been good to get back to the bench again. There's just so much to build, so little time--you kow the routine! Sigh [sigh]

Manny, that would be ab interesting build, but I don't know how accurate that would be. The way it loks to me, these tanks have been pretty thoroughly modified in a workshop, and it looks like they were pretty welll painted, from what I can tell?

A guy on Armorama did a quick build of one already, and he painted it similar to what you suggested--he even has old turret numbers on the back hatch, and I think DY wheels. I think I'm going to go more with an overall OD--my instinct tells me that, knowing the Germans, and the long odds on this plan working, they were probably pretty thorough in their execution of it.

Will be going for a base coat today...pics later, perhaps....Smile [:)]

I wonder if they used new Panthers for the mods or rebuilt field units??? If they used existing ones, it would be cool to see some of the original livery still intact...

Of course, there is not enough documentation to determine exactly what colors were used---or even if the Germans used the same OD color as the American shade or just used their RAL Green??? Was just thinking it could add a lot color interest to an otherwise [olive]drab build...could even use red-primer on the inside faces of the armor "shell"...

Regardless, just some ideas, I'll be watching this one closely !!!  I like the damaged fenders, by the way... 

WOW, man--I'm kinda bumming. I originally answered this post, Manny, but the post never showed up or was deleted?!? I don't get it?!

 

Anhoo. what I said was that these tanks were most likely already-existing tanks, but it's possible they were new off the line. In any case, I think that the whole "Operation GRIEF" was pretty thoroughly planned and executed, and I don't see the meticulous Germans to have just slopped a coat of paint on.

A guy did one of these over on Armorama, and did it where he had old turret numbers showing through a light coat of DY on the rear. I found that "creative", but IMHO, a bit of a stretch in terms of probability? He also had DY wheels.

I thought about doing something perhaps with some red primer, but red and greens don't exactly "play nice" chromatically...it might wind up looking like a "Christmas Panther" lol!

I think I'm going to go fairly straight-OD on this. I'll do some tonal variations of course, but my gut tells me that the Germans would have been pretty thorough in painting this vehicle rather completely.

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Posted by RickLawler on Monday, September 28, 2009 11:46 PM

Great subject, karl. 

I'm really looking forward to your take on it. 

Rick

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Posted by the doog on Monday, September 28, 2009 11:48 PM
 panzerguy wrote:

  Doog, nice to see you back. I was wondering when we'd be seeing one of your wips again. Like Manny said great choice.

   Here's an idea, how about painting the front half, from the muzzle to middle of the turret OD and the rear half in a three tone scheme?  You could paint the rear part of the plates on the turret with the red oxide. That would make for some serious color variations.

  

Thanks, man. LIke I said though, I think I'm going to go with a firmly straight OD scheme on this.

I want to do something fairly accurate with this, and not get too "hypothetical" Lots of that going around lately--seems almost "trendy", and I want to try to stay "within the lines" a bit more with this one.

But thanks for the suggestion! Smile [:)]

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:17 PM

Here's a painting update, guys!

All paints are Tamiya. I started with a really dark OD pre-shade--a lot of Black added to Olive Drab Tamiya #62--the "old" 62.

I hypothesized that the tank would have been Dark Yellow underneath, as it would have been painted on it's tracks?

The tank was then shaded with straight OD, then lightened with Dark Yellow, and then some straight Desert Yellow used sparingly for the highlights...it looks slightly glaring in contrast now, but all the weathering will tone it down and bring it togeher. I believe that you have to start with harsh contrasts like this in order to make t "pop" under the weathering filters.

The turret sides were left un-lightened. I didi this so as to deliberately play with shadows on the turret...

Overall look so far...

The wheels were similarly shaded...

...with the insides left in DY...

Here's one last shot...note the "shadows" under the mantlet and barrel..

 

Time to clean up the wheels now and work on the tracks..I hope I haven't lost my touch? Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg] I have to admit; it looks so purdy right now that I just want to decal it and put it on the shelf, but.....ah, you know us Weatherheads! lol! Wink [;)]

 

 

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Posted by Nachtflieger on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:22 PM

I'm liking the looks of this one! Lost your touch? I doubt it!Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

While I have you, I'd like to say 'thanks' for a suggestion you made a while ago concerning the cutting tweezers from Micro Mark......they REALLY are an awesome tool. I don't know how I got along without them!

Nate

 

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:37 PM

Karl, looks like your going about the painting per your usuual steps for the most part but I gotta say I'm not sure I agree with the way it is looking...these modified Panthers probably lived in their OD livery all of a few weeks at most before they were knocked out or left for lack of fuel...I believe the last of these were lost within a few days of the attack...

...I'm thinking the paint would have a lot "fresher" look to it...just an opinion... 

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Posted by psstoff995's lbro on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:45 PM

I've been waiting for this one, and it's going up nice and quickely!

It looks great, can't wait to see it done! Thumbs Up [tup]

-Will young modeler Test fit master
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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:48 PM
 Mansteins revenge wrote:

Karl, looks like your going about the painting per your usuual steps for the most part but I gotta say I'm not sure I agree with the way it is looking...these modified Panthers probably lived in their OD livery all of a few weeks at most before they were knocked out or left for lack of fuel...I believe the last of these were lost within a few days of the attack...

...I'm thinking the paint would have a lot "fresher" look to it...just an opinion... 

First--THANKS, Nate! Glad you like it, and that you're digging that tool! Big Smile [:D]

Manny--I'd have to disagree. Look at these shots;

 

--pretty dirty if you ask me?

I appreciate your input, and I think that some of what you say is true--that these tanks would not have the rust and "chippping" that a more heavily-abused tank would see, but as far as the actual paint itself--the light-play is just a part of the way I see "scale effect"--light, shadows, etc. I would do this for a "clean" tank as well. But in this case, these tanks were used in some awfully foul weather and environments, as so photographs show plenty of room for weathering.

Maybe you'll like it when it's done? Whistling [:-^]

And THANKS TOO, WILL!!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 3:56 PM
 the doog wrote:
 Mansteins revenge wrote:

Karl, looks like your going about the painting per your usuual steps for the most part but I gotta say I'm not sure I agree with the way it is looking...these modified Panthers probably lived in their OD livery all of a few weeks at most before they were knocked out or left for lack of fuel...I believe the last of these were lost within a few days of the attack...

...I'm thinking the paint would have a lot "fresher" look to it...just an opinion... 

First--THANKS, Nate! Glad you like it, and that you're digging that tool! Big Smile [:D]

Manny--I'd have to disagree. Look at these shots;

 

--pretty dirty if you ask me?

I appreciate your input, and I think that some of what you say is true--that these tanks would not have the rust and "chippping" that a more heavily-abused tank would see, but as far as the actual paint itself--the light-play is just a part of the way I see "scale effect"--light, shadows, etc. I would do this for a "clean" tank as well. But in this case, these tanks were used in some awfully foul weather and environments, as so photographs show plenty of room for weathering.

Maybe you'll like it when it's done? Whistling [:-^]

And THANKS TOO, WILL!!!

yeah, I've seen those pics and others like them as well...they were taken months after the battle in most cases...I guess it depends on what you are modeling: A tank as it appeared on the morning of December 16th---or an abandoned one in the Spring of '45...

Not saying your work isn't good from an execution standpoint, but just offering an opinion on what the state of the paint would be right after the Germans made the modifications (eg, the box-art).  After all, you replied to an earlier post of mine that you felt the Germans would have done a pretty thourough job in painting these OD overall in a neat fashion...

I like it now, BTW, regardless of your interpretation...Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

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Posted by the doog on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:11 PM
 Mansteins revenge wrote:

yeah, I've seen those pics and others like them as well...they were taken months after the battle in most cases...I guess it depends on what you are modeling: A tank as it appeared on the morning of December 16th---or an abandoned one in the Spring of '45...

Not saying your work isn't good from an execution standpoint, but just offering an opinion on what the state of the paint would be right after the Germans made the modifications (eg, the box-art).  After all, you replied to an earlier post of mine that you felt the Germans would have done a pretty thourough job in painting these OD overall in a neat fashion...

I like it now, BTW, regardless of your interpretation...Thumbs Up [tup]Thumbs Up [tup]

I see where you're coming from, Manny! Thanks for clarifying your point! Smile [:)]

I guess I'm modeling it then in its most familiar context--from the photos that most people know. That's why I"ll be posing an American GI on the deck, not a panzer crewman. 

If they release this in 1/72, I would probably do one in an operational role, posed in a small dio. If I did a dio with this one in the future, it would undoubtedly be in a "captured" scenario. Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Jester75 on Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:27 PM

Nice to see you back on the forums building again Karl, put that 2 wheeler up for a bit ehhhSmile,Wink, & Grin [swg].

She is looking good fer sure!!

Eric

 

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