FINISHED PICS! -- Pg 6 DML ersatz M10 Panther OOB WIP

I really like what I see Doog, the painting so far is awesome. This baby is going to look great weathered. Keep the updates coming.

Rob

Doog is back for 3 days and already a page 2 update... and I am just seeing it now?  At least it is a good reaosn... biz is good.

Glad to see oyu back at it doog.  there is once again balance in the universe.

Jester75 wrote:

Nice to see you back on the forums building again Karl, put that 2 wheeler up for a bit ehhh. She is looking good fer sure!!

It is probably getting too cold to ride. Next thing you know he will be breaking out a snowmobile.

Jester75 wrote:

Nice to see you back on the forums building again Karl, put that 2 wheeler up for a bit ehhh. She is looking good fer sure!!

No, the brapper is waiting for the next race--October 11th, I think? And then one more last one on November 1st--one of my favorite races! I can't WAIT! I hope it's not snowing by then!OrI'll have to borrow a snowmobile, like Mike said!

And thanks for the comments, Marc, Rob, Mike and M1!

Looks good to me so far Doog...

Quick question for you though...are you basically using a darkened base color and filling in the recesses to create a shadow effect, similar to the way the aircraft guys shade panel lines?  Would the steps be something like this:  

1.  Spray entire model with darkened base.

2.  Spray model with base color without covering up recesses and panel lines, hatches, or any place shadows, dirt, and grime may go.

3.  Spray lightened base color in areas where exposed to sunlight (center of panels, top of engine decks, etc).

??

I just started on a real M10 right now (1/35 AFV club).  If i get it to turn out half as well as this one looks like it's going to be I'll be doing otay!

oleander13 wrote:

Looks good to me so far Doog... Quick question for you though...are you basically using a darkened base color and filling in the recesses to create a shadow effect, similar to the way the aircraft guys shade panel lines?  Would the steps be something like this:   1.  Spray entire model with darkened base. 2.  Spray model with base color without covering up recesses and panel lines, hatches, or any place shadows, dirt, and grime may go. 3.  Spray lightened base color in areas where exposed to sunlight (center of panels, top of engine decks, etc). ?? I just started on a real M10 right now (1/35 AFV club).  If i get it to turn out half as well as this one looks like it's going to be I'll be doing otay!

That's pretty much the routine. You can also go back afterwards and re-emphasize the shadow color, too. I use several different shades of lightened color to get the effect.

Are there any special instructions on how to paint the top? I've wondered how they expected to pass as an open topped AFV from the air. I know that the weather was bad and the air forces were pretty much grounded, but what if the hadn't been? Was there a paint scheme to make it look like an actual M-10? The Christie suspension would be a pretty good giveaway even with a pair of binoculars.

Your project is looking really good, doog, thanks for posting it.

subfixer wrote:

Are there any special instructions on how to paint the top? I've wondered how they expected to pass as an open topped AFV from the air. I know that the weather was bad and the air forces were pretty much grounded, but what if the hadn't been? Was there a paint scheme to make it look like an actual M-10? The Christie suspension would be a pretty good giveaway even with a pair of binoculars. Your project is looking really good, doog, thanks for posting it.

That is looking nice. For one minute i thought 'hang on, i thought he was doing it OD, now its turning German yellow'. I would never of thought to lighten OD with yellow.

I noticed you painted the underside yellow. Have you seen pics or read that they did this, or is it just a guess. I only ask because i always paint the undersides of mine bare metal for 2 reasons. 1) i figure why would the Germans paint it there and 2) because our AFV's, warriors, Challys and so on, are also bare metal underneath.

Bish wrote:

I noticed you painted the underside yellow. Have you seen pics or read that they did this, or is it just a guess.

WOW, that's weird that they don't paint the bottoms of your AFVs--don't you worry about rust?

Hi Karl,

I totally agree with your early paintwork philosophy...the more contrast the better during the early stages.  It takes B^!!$ to press forward with a "glaring" model staring back at you, but this shows that you have a vision and are confident of your skills.

A small vignette with a US GI will be nice.

Take care,

Rick

the doog wrote:

Bish wrote:   I noticed you painted the underside yellow. Have you seen pics or read that they did this, or is it just a guess. Just a guess, Bih. I figured these Panthers would have been modified from already-existing Panthers, and that the would have painted them "on their feet", so to speak. WIth the inner wheels still on them, perhaps? WOW, that's weird that they don't paint the bottoms of your AFVs--don't you worry about rust?

No, and it never seems to be a proble. Warriors are aluminium so not sure if that makes a difference. But then the 432's we had, which date back to the 60's, are also unpainted underneath. I have never found rust an issue on AFV's apart from a bit of surface rust where paint has worn away when the vehicle has been left standing for a bit. Thats the main reason i am spaten with my rust on kits.

Would be interesting to know what the Germans, and other's, did to the underside of their AFV hull's in the war.

Hi, Karl great to see you back at the bench, great subject and brilliant work as usual so far. Reading through the post so far I am inclined to agree with your take on the painting. The preshading looks brilliant and I hope all the extra work pays off the way you plan.

Terry. 

RickLawler wrote:

Hi Karl, I totally agree with your early paintwork philosophy...the more contrast the better during the early stages.  It takes B^!!$ to press forward with a "glaring" model staring back at you, but this shows that you have a vision and are confident of your skills. A small vignette with a US GI will be nice. Take care, Rick

If this comes out half as good as one of your models, I'll be pleased!

Terry--thanks too, for the affirmation! I appreciate your kind words!

Bish--ah, well that makes sense. ALuminum would be a perfect reason not to paint.

I think, however, that the Germans used to "spin" their hulls on some big apparatus and paint the whole thing pretty thoroughly.

Looking good doog!

The Germans did indeed paint the hull undersides and didn't leave them in primer. Hulls were manufactured separtely and were finished on large spindles/turntables as part of the final assembly process. Look up the pics on the assembly line at Henschel for Tigers and you'll see perfect examples. Same thing with pics available of StuGs undergoing assembly at Alkett.

Here's a porsche getting the works on a rotisserie.

Cool looing paint job Doog I think it will look really great after the wathering

Fantastic painting so far, Karl.

Very very nicely done.

Looking forward to weathering,

Bill 

I agree with what everyone else has said. Another very well thought out build and something you don't see everyday. Then next time I see you do something "run of the mill" will be the first time. You never fail to dissapoint, my friend. Can't wait to see more!

Regards,

Jeff

Jeff, Bill, Bish, and Stick Man--thanks for your comments and approval! I hope I can live up to everyone's expectation on this "different" build for me.!

Here's a small painting update---been actually working on something else "completely different" (but WWAYY cool!--hint: "brrRAAP!" ) but managed to get some color modulating on this.

First of all, I got the tracks built up now and the decals on over some light acrylic gloss; yup, I had to do it with those big stars! It really starts to look mean with the big sneakers on...oops, too bad I put its "hat" on crooked--that's not glued down yet, so don't worry! You'll also note that I put in a light application of MIG premixed filter "Ochre for Gray/Sand" to give a little more warmth to the finish before I start color modulating.

The tracks are still drying--the tissue is giving me that nice sag....

Next, I took some Windsor & Newton"Olive Green" plus some MIG 502 Abt. "Dry Mud" and mixed up a greenish OD color in some MIG thinner.

...and then I would put down a dab...

...and then rub it in with a clean brush. I did this all over the tank.

On the left, the un-modulated hull; on the right, the "done" turret so far.

Here's some shots so far of where I'm at....getting there slowly but surely.....You can see that the garish appearance is being toned down and brought together. I've also added some rust coloring to the tracks and mufflers...

Well, I"m in the process of finishing the other project--soon to be debuted in another forum!--and am working on the tracks here....thanks for looking in all, and for your patience!

Looks fantastic, Karl, really, some cool effects I will try to emulate...

But, you did mention the clear coat, and your aversion to it, and I can't help but wonder why you don't either paint your markings on with a stencil, or use dry transfers.

I painted the stars on my Sherman, they just look...well, painted on, and they take the weathering sooooo well.  I think it's a Lion's Roar stencil, I will check, if you want.

I humbly offer this as, perhaps, a way to return all the great advice you have given me.  Try it, you'll love it.   

Bill

Thanks, bill and Bill!

Bill, I have looked into templates, but to be honest, I think the quality of decals is so good in these kits nowadays that it's quicker to just slap 'em on. Templates can be troublesome over curves and details too sometimes, and if you get leakage around the edges then you're painting out the overspray.

I admire the guys who can get good results with them, but I've never had much luck with them for some reason?

Neat looking effect you have there doog.  i like it.

Karl, it looks fantastic! I have a hard time sometimes making plastic look like metal. You certainly don't have that problem here! Great looking build, I like how you weathered it. I'm anxious to see the seen you'll place it in.

Jon

lexesbenz wrote:

Beautiful job Karl!! will this be at the upcoming show?

You too,  Marc, Jon, and Aurora! Thanks for looking in and leaving some ! ......