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Solvaset issue?
Posted by pathvet9 on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:04 PM

I have had this happen before but am now really concerned.

I am decalling an F117 Nighthawk, painted in flat black Tamiya acrylic, then sprayed with a coat of Future. As I put down the very thick Academy decals, then tried to use some Solvaset to settle them in.

Here is the result. This white discoloration that happens almost immediately as it dries. I thought it was just because I did not clean up but it does not come up even if I flood with water and absorb with Q-tips almost before it dries. And I cannot clean it off with water afterwords.

Is it the Solvaset reacting with Future? Help, for another ruined model!

Cheers, Jake

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Posted by gregbale on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 5:15 PM

Not to worry. Either Solvaset or water can react with Future to cause that discoloration. Just brush/spray on a little more Future, and it should disappear nearly instantly.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:05 PM

Yes Solvaset is very "hot" on Future. I have had the same result on the few times that I have used the two products together. I hope that it cleans up for you Jake. 

 

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Posted by pathvet9 on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 7:44 PM

WOW!!! Now that is amazing. Almost like voodoo. How did you ever figure that out? Thanks so much for the most practical solution I have seen in a looooooong time.       Bow Down

So I assume this might also happen with other setting/softening solutions?

Now if those 1999 Academy deals would have acted a little better.......... Sad

Cheers, Jake

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Posted by pathvet9 on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 7:46 PM

Thanks Carlos - I was sure skeptical until I saw the white disappear. Maybe this will help you also in the future.  Bad pun.    Embarrassed

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 8:33 PM

Well this knowledge will surely come in handy and allow me to resume my use of Solvaset with Future. I have only been using it on decals applied to painted surfaces w/o Future since my incidents of this sort. Can you post an "after" pic here Jake? I would love to see the save.

 

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Posted by gregbale on Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:27 AM

pathvet9

 

So I assume this might also happen with other setting/softening solutions?

 

Almost certainly. Anything with alcohol or ammonia (to name but a few) can oxidize/whiten the Future. I've even (occasionally) had it happen just from the water on the decal alone. It doesn't happen every time, but it's really scary when it happens the first time. Luckily it's a simple fix.

Party on!

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:04 AM

I've only seen it happen once, after using the Future/MicroSol combination for around 10 years. On a black surface, of course! Just for kicks, I hit it with another shot of MicroSol, & it cleared right up. (Wanted to try that before I sealed it in with Future!)

How long are you guys waiting between Future and setting solutions? I always leave at least a day, sometimes several days.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:23 AM

You have to let the Future cure no less than 2 -3 days before using setting solutions. I would wait even longer just to be safe. Another method to apply decals with clear backings on flat surfaces is to brush a little Future on, slide the decal on the wet Future then brush a light coat of Future on then set it aside to dry. The silvering will dissappear completely.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:24 AM

plastickjunkie

You have to let the Future cure no less than 2 -3 days before using setting solutions.

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The pace of my building naturally takes advantage of this for the most part! Wink

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, October 20, 2011 7:32 AM

VanceCrozier

 plastickjunkie:

You have to let the Future cure no less than 2 -3 days before using setting solutions.

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The pace of my building naturally takes advantage of this for the most part! Wink

 

VC

That's a good approach. I don't like to rush in this hobby which is meant for lelaxation Headphones.  

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Posted by p38jl on Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:48 AM

yup.. you guys nailed it.. I had the same answer... ! good luck with the save !

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:55 PM

I like to wait at least one day after the Future is applied before I start decaling. However the first time I tried Solvaset, due to the lack of success with Micro Sol on the decals, the time period was closer to several weeks between the application of the Future and the application of the Solvaset. I first had to hit all the LHS to find the stuff. That took awhile. So coat curing time was not  an issue there.

 

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Posted by pathvet9 on Thursday, October 20, 2011 1:59 PM

Carlos - I agree as I had let that Future cure for a week.

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Posted by pathvet9 on Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:02 PM

Junkie - sounds like a good solution as then one does not have to wait for the Future to cure. I may tru that next,but for now, I have returned to black surfaces. Yea!  Toast

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Posted by panzerpilot on Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:09 PM

I use solvaset and had the exact same thing happen a while back on a FW 190 I built. I thought it was ruined, but amazingly no harm done once a coat of future was put over it. whew. I agree with others on here. Let future cure at least a few days. I've tried spraying future on and a few hours later, decaling. Tongue Tied Not a good idea!

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:12 PM

OK, Jake, lets see the save here my friend Wink Pics!!!

 

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Posted by pathvet9 on Thursday, October 20, 2011 2:24 PM

Carlos - as you wrote, I was trying to get a decent picture with the glossy Future on top.

Here it is. Now if the decals had been of better quality! Not even Solvaset was of help.     Boo Hoo

Cheers, Jake

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, October 20, 2011 4:07 PM

Run a new x-acto blade along those panel lines where the decals are not cooperating and then some more solvent. That should cure the snuggling issues there. Then if you have more whitening, we now know how to fix that problem.Wink

 

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, October 21, 2011 7:34 AM

stikpusher

Run a new x-acto blade along those panel lines where the decals are ....

Something I always do as well.

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Posted by pathvet9 on Friday, October 21, 2011 10:39 AM

Wow, if those tail decals were the only issue but all the little ones are thick and silver-edged as well. Don't think I want to mess more, as I have already picked one up with tape, so I will hope that a covering layer of dullcote with Future will end the build.    Whistling

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Posted by Geof on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:52 AM

Based on your picture, you might not be getting a good full seal with the future. Acrylics need to be applied with a fairly heavy "wet" coat to smooth out well for decaling. Otherwise they dry semi gloss (like your picture) and decals can be finicky on even that much surface porosity. Your future coat should be full gloss and as smooth as possible for a good snug fit. If you can lift off the decals with tape, the surface is not sealed enough ( usually ). Good save though!

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Posted by pathvet9 on Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:24 PM

Geof - thanks for following along this thread. I think you have definitely hit on the ultimate cause of my trouble. I do remember that I was not wanting  to put too much Future in place. Know now I need more thin layers before decalling.

Thanks.  Bow Down 

Cheers, Jake

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