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Have we devalued the term "Hero" ?

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, December 30, 2013 1:36 PM

I'll almost guarantee you it was not Congress.

 

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Posted by ajlafleche on Monday, December 30, 2013 2:39 PM

From the Flag Code Section 7.Paragraph m


  In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law

Source: http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm

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Posted by Tim Kidwell on Monday, December 30, 2013 3:23 PM

When the U.S. flag is to be flown at half-staff, as decreed by President Eisenhower.

Also, see this too.

Good discussion, everyone.

I think Subfixer may have done this already, but since I love discussions about language, its evolution and use, it's always good to start with a definition:

According to Webster's College Dictionary 4th Ed., a hero is:

1 a man (mythological or legendary) of great strength and courage, favored by the gods and in part descended from them, often regarded as a half-god and worshiped after his death

2 any person, esp. a man, admired for courage, nobility, or exploits, esp. in war

3 any person, esp. a man, admired for qualities or achievements and regarded as an ideal or model

4 the central male character in a novel, play, poem, etc., with whom the reader or audience is supposed to sympathize

5 the central figure in any important event or period, honored for outstanding qualities

6 HERO SANDWICH

Now, from this, I think you can make arguments for and against the thread's main thesis, which is that the word, "hero", has been cheapened. 

Words have a certain weight, a heft, and too often they are used without regard for that weight. We can blame it on media. However, I think that answer is too simplistic; it's too easy throw out there. Which media is to blame? News? Sports? Radio? TV? Books? Magazines? Computers? Advertising inside Walmart stores?Comic books? It's all media. 

There are many works regarding the effect of language, words, and meaning, and how these things change over time. And while this may be part of the difficulty, I suspect it's something more general:

People are less concerned with knowing the words to precisely say that which they mean to say. As I like to point out, curmudgeon that I am, while tragedies are sad events, not all sad events are tragedies (your local newscasters probably would disagree). I prefer Aristotle's view of the tragic, though I can live with the Elizbethan one too. 20th-century tragedy lacks a certain loftiness in my opinion.

On the other hand, humans have always glamorized sports stars, all the way back to the Olympic games and Roman gladiatorial contests. Whenever we place someone on a pedestal and "worship" them, we turn them into heroes of one sort or another.

We have always glamorized warriors--Spartacus, Nelson, Washington, Grant, Patton, Yeager, Schwarzkopf (and just as often demonize the other side). We memorialize them. Does that mean every enlisted man is a hero? It's a matter of perspective, right? He's a hero to someone: If not to a nation, maybe to a state/province; if not a state/province, maybe a town; if not a town, perhaps a father, mother, sister, brother, son, or daughter.

When is it appropriate to use a word and when is it not? Can a boy say to his father, "You're my hero, Dad," and have it mean exactly what it says? I think so. What is the boy left with otherwise? "My heart bursts with love and pride for you, Dad." OK, similar, but not quite the same effect.

What's more, you're the hero in your own life's story, aren't you? I know I am. If I was only a secondary character, that would kinda suck.

I think we can argue this, adequately, from many sides, and I think we're all going to be able to come up with good points supporting our particular view.

Stay curious, my friends. But keep it lighthearted. None of us are going to fix the world's woes on the FSM Forum.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, December 30, 2013 6:20 PM

So very true. We can debate definitions here all day and night, but it will not alter events in the slightest. A hero sandwich does sound real good about now though... Now I wonder if that term had anything to do with the Greek Gyro sandwich which has a similar pronunciation...?

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by New Hampshire on Monday, December 30, 2013 7:12 PM

Mmmmmm, Gyro.  Now I am hungry again. Cool

Brian

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Posted by bushman32 on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:42 PM

New Jersey flew the flag at half mast when Whitney Houstan died. Still trying to figure that one out.

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Posted by bushman32 on Tuesday, December 31, 2013 4:51 PM

My humble opinion is a hero is someone who does an act to save life when the chances of him or her surviving is pretty much zilch. If the do survive, then it is pretty much an act of God or luck-call it what you will. A good example would be the sailors who stayed in the oxygen tank compartment on the USS Forrestal during that horrific fire off of Vietnam. They knew they were dead if they stayed, but they knew if they left the tragedy would be much worse.

Ron Wilkinson

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Posted by pyrman64 on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 7:24 AM

New Hampshire

Mmmmmm, Gyro.  Now I am hungry again. Cool

Brian

I know a great gyro place here in Central Ohio....how's Friday sound? ;-)

Greg H

"There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell." Gen. Wm T. Sherman (11 April 1880, Columbus, Ohio)

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 12:13 PM

Friday sounds like he would be REALLY hungry by then....

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by New Hampshire on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 6:58 PM

Had me a nice tasty gyro today in Lincoln, New Hampshire.  It was delicious! Big Smile

Brian

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Posted by pyrman64 on Wednesday, January 1, 2014 8:01 PM
New Hampshire

Had me a nice tasty gyro today in Lincoln, New Hampshire.  It was delicious! Big Smile

Brian

pics or it didn't happen! ;)

Greg H

"There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell." Gen. Wm T. Sherman (11 April 1880, Columbus, Ohio)

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Posted by New Hampshire on Thursday, January 2, 2014 7:47 AM

pyrman64
New Hampshire

Had me a nice tasty gyro today in Lincoln, New Hampshire.  It was delicious! Big Smile

Brian

pics or it didn't happen! ;)

Best I can do now is the "after" pics....and I don't think anyone wants to see those! Big Smile

Brian

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Thursday, January 2, 2014 8:35 AM

New Hampshire

Best I can do now is the "after" pics....and I don't think anyone wants to see those! Big Smile

No pics required - the thought itself is way more than enoughIck!

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Posted by humper491 on Friday, January 3, 2014 12:41 AM

Hello all, I'm a bit late to the party(as usual) but here's my fix...

I haven't been thru 1/4 of what most ya'll been thru. I was a squid for 4 years(because at age 21 I knew everything...)  hear me out, if you will.

my non-blood grandfather got blown out of a M-48 Patton doing his job. successful military consaultant til his death 1989.

my blood grandmother, 1st-3rd grade teacher. they both came to my high school gradution. she succumbed to ovarian cancer 1 week to the day I graduated from "Great MIstakes", which was also my b-day.

I guess I got outta the subject, but they are 'hero' to me....

Humper Beam

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