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Posted by VanceCrozier on Monday, December 5, 2016 12:18 PM

The simplist explanations are often the most likely to be true, ie, he ended up in a pile of ashes in Berlin. These folks are uncovering some very interesting information though, I've enjoyed watching it.

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Posted by Tanker - Builder on Monday, December 5, 2016 2:10 PM

Hmmm;

    I have Not watched it . I lost too many relatives in the conflict including my Mom In Childbirth . The U-Boats though , have always fascinated me .There is , I found a Family connection to them and the Merchant Marine too !

    I never believed he died there anyway . Just call it a gut feeling . That man was deathly afraid of the Soviets and so he should have been ! He should have been afraid of a lot of folks .To live in fear ,and looking over his shoulder is , to me a fate that was the worst .

   If My Gran Wanted to chastise me she would call me the  " Little Feuhrer " and I would behave . I was very ashamed to be called that !   T.B.     To Wit , I personally feel he DID escape .

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Posted by waikong on Monday, December 5, 2016 4:39 PM
Wait, nobody commented on Fush Yumeng's comments? This is also my understanding, the dental records on the jaw has been positively identified as that of Hitler. The skull was thought to be Hilter, but no one ever tried verifying before the the DNA. So did the History channel talk about the Dental records (didnt' see the show), if they didn't, then they did it on purpose to create a sensational show, as I would be hard press to believe they 'forgot'. If you just do a 15min search on line, you will see multiple sources regarding the dental records. I remember reading about in in NY times years ago.
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Posted by Fush Yumeng on Monday, December 5, 2016 5:31 PM

They have never mentioned the dental evidence and likely never will. They're very selective in what they put on their show. Only that evidence which supports the narrative they're selling gets on, anything else is dismissed or ignored.

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, December 5, 2016 6:32 PM

waikong
Wait, nobody commented on Fush Yumeng's comments? This is also my understanding, the dental records on the jaw has been positively identified as that of Hitler. The skull was thought to be Hilter, but no one ever tried verifying before the the DNA. So did the History channel talk about the Dental records (didnt' see the show), if they didn't, then they did it on purpose to create a sensational show, as I would be hard press to believe they 'forgot'. 
 

My thoughts exactly. Facts can always be manipulated and presented in a manner to create circumstances that become quite plausible. 

I also agree about the psychological profile angle. Someone like Hitler would have a hard time living incognito after having so much power and control for so long. It would be most unnatural to revert to being a "nobody". 

 

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Posted by pilotjohn on Monday, December 5, 2016 9:46 PM

Just a couple of things to consider:

1.  As mentioned, it is very well documented and believed that Hitler had Parkinson's.  That would have only progressed and without medical treatment, he would have been incapacitated in a short period of time.  the effects of years of drugs on him had turned him into a shell at best.  His personal physician (Theodore Morrell) was told to leave the bunker with several others a short time before the end.  Hitler was to have said he needed no more medical help.  It is also known that Hitler considered Morrell indispensible and always had him close by.  If he said he needed no more medical help and turned his trusted "pusher" away, how could he have been contemplating an escape?

2.  Martin Borman's remains were ID'd via DNA in the 90s I believe.  He was so trusted by and attached to Hitler; why would he leave him if Hitler was alive and going to escape?  Hitler always showed loyalty to Borman and I can't believe Hitler would send off both of these two just before getting on a U-Boat for several months

I am not saying it isn't good entertainment and supposedly plausible, but there are many who still think Elvis is alive and well:)

John

 

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Posted by Wirraway on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 2:28 AM

Sad to think that the networks are drumming up this sort of trash in an effort to attract the uniformed and gullible.  Thankfully, modelling and a love of history go hand in hand so I'm relieved to see that the folk here know which way is up.  

PS:  I did read a book called "The Berkut" about Hitlers escape from Berlin and the Soviet team sent by Uncle Joe to find him.  Adolph ended his days locked in a steel cage personally designed by Stalin.  A good read.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 3:30 AM

Well the "History Channel" is a shadow of its' former self, and not really deserving of the name any longer. Nowadays it is just another tabloid cable channel catering to the lowest common denominator. I cut the cable this summer and don't miss it one bit.

 

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Posted by templar1099 on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 4:34 AM

Conspiracy theories. I hear he's still alive , on the island of Avalon with JFK  and Arthur.

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Posted by Johnny Reb on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 6:58 AM

I agree with you, Stik, about the History channel becoming nothing more than a whole lot of hooey and hype. I cancelled it's services years ago.

On the subject of Hitler; it is very likely that he could have escaped, along with certain other members to another part of the world. There has never been any positive identification regarding his remains, although there have been claims otherwise. I guess it all comes down to what information that we choose to believe; after all, none of us were ever actually there and I doubt if anyone here actually 'saw' him in person.

I certainly cannot prove that he escaped, anymore than anyone else can prove that he didn't.

The possibility is there, nevertheless.

 

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Posted by Fush Yumeng on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 9:44 AM

The forensic dental analysis is proof beyond a reasonable doubt of his death in Berlin. Read the report to which I've previously linked and see if you can dispute its conclusions.

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Posted by Johnny Reb on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 5:22 PM

No one is disputing the conclusions of the dental records. It's the source of those records that could be suspect.

The victors always write the history. Is all the information that we have been provided over the years all one hundred percent true?

Could there have been reasons to alter, if not downright misrepresent, those conclusions?

All (and I do mean, all) information that we are given is subject to scrutiny, regardless of source.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 5:33 PM

That's about the same as folks who think BinLaden was killed in Tora Bora in 2001, but we held onto the remains for 10 years and a new administration to take credit for. 

Its just tabloid TV. What's the old saying? Believe none of what you hear and only half of what you see...

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, December 7, 2016 7:25 PM

I just think that if such a thing were to have occured, it would have been impossible to keep secret.

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