October 25th

modelcrazy

I still am GH, I just put it aside for a while till my intrest swings back to ships. That could happen in a week or six months. I'm getting close to finishing it too. Just some mast PE, railings and paint.

Steve

goldhammer

Model Crazy was doing a build on the Johnston.

I still am GH, I just put it aside for a while till my intrest swings back to ships. That could happen in a week or six months. I'm getting close to finishing it too. Just some mast PE, railings and paint.

Steve

GMorrison

My daughter has ther DVD series. I just couldn't get through it.

Colonel G, what do you think of the movie Tron ?

 

Which one? The original or legacy? I liked the original as a kid. I played the heck out of a Tron video game in college in 1982. The sequel wasn't bad; I thought it looked awesome. The whole bringing the programs into the world as life was a little too far fretched.

My daughter has ther DVD series. I just couldn't get through it.

Colonel G, what do you think of the movie Tron ?

Rob Gronovius

 I loved the Firefly series and was watching it while stationed in Virginia in 2002. When I returned home in December, I couldn't find it on TV.  While I did see the movie in 2005, I feel a lot of the storyline behind the empire like government was left untold.

To change the font size in your post, just copy it into an email and use the email's change font size option to make it larger. Then cut and paste it from your email draft into your edited post.

I've done this with this post to demonstrate.

I didn't find out about the show until well after its original run. Needless to say, I have the DVD set. I saw Serenity, and I'm glad I did, but I also sort of act like it didn't exist... LOL... My TWO favorite characters?? Really?

I did make the font larger. I hope that helps, and thanks.

Doc Ward

Rob, thanks for the insights. I didn't do anything special with the font, not sure why it is so small, but I would be happy to make it larger.

My signature is actually just a quote from one of my favorite TV shows, Firefly. I actually try very hard not to alienate people whenever possible. There were a total of 96 views with no responses, and on the few other forums I belong to that is something I don't believe I have ever seen, so, as I explained, I got self-conscious. Upset? No. Miffed? Definitely not. If self-conscious equates to "overly sensitive," then maybe. At this point, I'm going to stop defending the fact that I was self-conscious in posting it in the first place. It is what it is.

Also, please understand that the suggestion of changing the date of the observance is simply a tool for discussion. While it seems a more fitting day, I'm not planning on circulating petitions any time soon.

 

I loved the Firefly series and was watching it while stationed in Virginia in 2002. When I returned home in December, I couldn't find it on TV.  While I did see the movie in 2005, I feel a lot of the storyline behind the empire like government was left untold.

To change the font size in your post, just copy it into an email and use the email's change font size option to make it larger. Then cut and paste it from your email draft into your edited post.

I've done this with this post to demonstrate.

Its also a fact that as a world wide forum, when I post stuff during the evening in PDT, no one even sees it for up to a day. I get responses from the Kiwis first, then the Ozzies.

I was one of those who did read it, but like others, was difficult to know how to responed.

Never heard of Underdog day, but I would ceraintly support a British holiday on the 4th Mon of Oct, other than xmas, new year and easter, al our holidays are a Monday. The 4th Mon falls nicley around bother the 21st and 25th.

French but get upset, but can't please everyone

GMorrison

Hey Doc I always say that modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

If you ask my wife, I need zero excuses for that!!!

I do find myself buying books because of models sometimes, and models because of books. What a vicious circle!

Rob Gronovius

First of all, it is kind of lengthy and secondly, you chose a rather small font to post it in. Hard on the eyes, many of the older readers might give up after a sentence or two.

For me, I work evenings. I leave home at 2 PM and get home just before 2 AM (eastern). Depending on when this was posted, I don't recall seeing it when I checked the forums mid morning Wednesday, but I had to run errands so I only hit the armor forum. When I get home, showering and bed are my priority, not surfing the web.

Your second post reflects your signature tag line. Getting upset/miffed/overly sensitive because no one responded to your post in what you think is a timely manner and then considering deleting it is poor form.

As to the original subject, it appears to have valid reasons to change from the original date to the suggested date, but the underlying notion of why change the date of an obscure "day" to another seemingly better date is puzzling.

Rob, thanks for the insights. I didn't do anything special with the font, not sure why it is so small, but I would be happy to make it larger.

My signature is actually just a quote from one of my favorite TV shows, Firefly. I actually try very hard not to alienate people whenever possible. There were a total of 96 views with no responses, and on the few other forums I belong to that is something I don't believe I have ever seen, so, as I explained, I got self-conscious. Upset? No. Miffed? Definitely not. If self-conscious equates to "overly sensitive," then maybe. At this point, I'm going to stop defending the fact that I was self-conscious in posting it in the first place. It is what it is.

Also, please understand that the suggestion of changing the date of the observance is simply a tool for discussion. While it seems a more fitting day, I'm not planning on circulating petitions any time soon.

Doc Ward

I know it is lengthy, but I had hoped to spur some conversation. With nearly 100 views and no comments I guess that won't happen. If possible, I can try to delete?

 

First of all, it is kind of lengthy and secondly, you chose a rather small font to post it in. Hard on the eyes, many of the older readers might give up after a sentence or two.

For me, I work evenings. I leave home at 2 PM and get home just before 2 AM (eastern). Depending on when this was posted, I don't recall seeing it when I checked the forums mid morning Wednesday, but I had to run errands so I only hit the armor forum. When I get home, showering and bed are my priority, not surfing the web.

Your second post reflects your signature tag line. Getting upset/miffed/overly sensitive because no one responded to your post in what you think is a timely manner and then considering deleting it is poor form.

As to the original subject, it appears to have valid reasons to change from the original date to the suggested date, but the underlying notion of why change the date of an obscure "day" to another seemingly better date is puzzling.

I usually buy one book per model. In a way an AM thing.

GMorrison

Hey Doc I always say that modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

Hey Doc I always say that modeling is an excuse to buy books.

Hi, Doc -

Sorry to be slow to reply, something that detailed takes me a while to absorb and collect my thoughts. Thanks for the post, so very interesting and fact filled, thought provoking to say the least. I appreciate your efforts.

Patrick

Doc Ward

I know it is lengthy, but I had hoped to spur some conversation. With nearly 100 views and no comments I guess that won't happen. If possible, I can try to delete?

 NO   NO   NO    NO    

Please by all means keep posting !  I love History ( now that I'm not in school and dont have to write an essay about Pilgrem's and such.)

                               As Underdog himself would say

                              "NEVER FEAR!   UNDERDOG IS HERE!

Interesting that all 3 took place on the same day.  Thanks for sharing.

John

I read a book about Lord Lucan and Lord Cardigan. Fierce rivals with little military skill as strategists. The battle helped bring down the aristocrasy way of getting commissions in the British military. (Not soon enough, tho)

Enterprise kit is supposed to be her Santa Cruz fit, but she had replaced what was left of the TBD's with TBF's when she was at Pearl after Midway.  Don't know enough about her AA fit to say if accurate or not.

But, in any case, the men of Taffy 3, fighting for their very lives, but up one hell of a fight until help started to arive just as Kurita was starting his withdrawal. It will go down as one of the most lopsided victories of the war, along with the Marianias Turkey Shoot.

goldhammer

Have the Enterprise (Merit) in the stash.  Hull plating is a little heavy, and the aircraft fit is Wildcats, SBD's and TBD's, but can get later TBF's and Hellcats from other sources.

Looks to be a decent kit.

Also doing Revell's 1/72 Gato as Wahoo, as she appeared leaving Pearl on her way to being on Eternal Patrol.

It has been said that Kurita thought he was up against the big boys.  But in any case what was left of Center Force pretty much ceased to exist in the next 6-8 months, along with the rest of the Japanese Navy.

My understanding is that Kurita thought, from the ferocity of the American attacks, and the fact they were attacking period, that they were facing the screening force for a larger fleet.

To be honest, at my skill level, I would need to have two examples of anything in front of me to see and understand differences and problems with a particular kit as compared to another.

Have the Enterprise (Merit) in the stash.  Hull plating is a little heavy, and the aircraft fit is Wildcats, SBD's and TBD's, but can get later TBF's and Hellcats from other sources.

Looks to be a decent kit.

Also doing Revell's 1/72 Gato as Wahoo, as she appeared leaving Pearl on her way to being on Eternal Patrol.

It has been said that Kurita thought he was up against the big boys.  But in any case what was left of Center Force pretty much ceased to exist in the next 6-8 months, along with the rest of the Japanese Navy.

goldhammer

I'll second GM on the Gambier Bay kit, working on her now, but slowly.  Got the 3 PE kits for her, which will drive me to drink more than I do now.

Model Crazy was doing a build on the Johnston.

Taffy 3 is an interesting story when you dig into it.  Would have been a total diaster for US forces at Leyte had the Japanese pressed the advantage. The gods of war were with us that day. 

I'm not really a ship modeler. I haven't built one since I was a kid, but the two that I would want on my shelf if I were would be the USS Johnston followed by the USS Enterprise (CV-6). OK, and the Constitution.

You are right, if Admiral Kurita hadn't called for a "general attack" and maintained control of his fleet, it likely would have turned out much differently, despite the bravery of Taffy 3. It would've likely meant the end of the Japanese Center Force once the power of the main portion of the 7th Fleet steamed north, and the 3rd Fleet turned back. However, the devastation they would've done to the landing forces at Leyte in the meanwhile is difficult to imagine.

GMorrison

 

 

Doc Ward

I know it is lengthy, but I had hoped to spur some conversation. With nearly 100 views and no comments I guess that won't happen. If possible, I can try to delete?

 

 

 

 

I think that would be pretty premature. 18 hours including overnight?

 

Interesting read esp. Agincourt which I only have a passing knowledge of.

Hasegawa makes a really swell model of the Gambier Bay.

 

It was the number of views that had me discouraged. I can be a bit self-conscious about my writing at times, sorry!

shamoo

I have never heard of Underdog Day before. That was a very interesting read. I’m going to have to read up on all these battles some more. Any suggestions?  It might raise awareness if they did move it away from the major holidays. 

 

One of the best historical reads I have ever laid my hands on, bar none, is The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors by James Hornfischer. It is about the Battle off Samar, and worth being in any WWII library, in my opinion.

The Battle of Balaclava is one of those that I am unaware of an actual work on, other than Tennyson's poem. There are a number of works on the Crimean War, though. Interesting aside: The metal used in Victoria Cross medals come from cannons captured during the Crimean War, at the Battle of Sevastapol, if I recall correctly.

As for Agincourt, Shakespeare's play, Henry V which contains the St. Crispin's Day speech is, as you might expect, NOT a good source for historical accuracy. As for the play though, I prefer Brannagh's rendition over Olivier's. I actually did my project to earn my History Minor on the Battle of Agincourt, and way back when, there were a number of sources available. I would have to see if I could track down the final draft of my paper to suggest some good ones. I would advise against the primary sources, though! They make for dry reading, to say the least.

I'll second GM on the Gambier Bay kit, working on her now, but slowly.  Got the 3 PE kits for her, which will drive me to drink more than I do now.

Model Crazy was doing a build on the Johnston.

Taffy 3 is an interesting story when you dig into it.  Would have been a total diaster for US forces at Leyte had the Japanese pressed the advantage. The gods of war were with us that day.

Doc Ward

I know it is lengthy, but I had hoped to spur some conversation. With nearly 100 views and no comments I guess that won't happen. If possible, I can try to delete?

 

Interesting read esp. Agincourt which I only have a passing knowledge of.

Hasegawa makes a really swell model of the Gambier Bay.

Hey Doc, I enjoyed the read. 

I read a historical fiction book called Agincourt, I think by Bernard Cornwell.  Great book, and brought the battle to life.

I did not know about the US Navy at Samar.  That is a truly inspiring story of American courage.

Thanks,

D