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Posted by hudskit on Tuesday, March 6, 2007 10:25 AM

John,

If only you had named to 3 cows that were forced to run across the field due to the arrival of the aircraft you could have passed it on to Bret...

As usual a great answer -thanks for the correction on the spelling and usage.

I've been looking for that kit for a while-it pops up on e-bay every once in a while but it seems criminal to pay the $30 or so it always ends up going for.

And so, with all appropriate fanfare , is the new question from John(and I am applying the duct tape over my mouth so I can't answer, metaphorically speaking),

cheers,  Keith

 

nice picture- it really emphasizes the size of the aircraft.

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Posted by jeaton01 on Monday, March 5, 2007 11:05 PM

I hate to do this, but it was the ANT-25 in 1937, landing at San Jacinto, California, southern California.

The correct spelling would be:

A close alliteration would be:

Zdrastvuyche, tovarisch.   Hello, comrade!

The accent is on the a and the u is long in the first word, the a is slightly accented in tovarisch.  I will warn you to say this with care to Russians in this country, as comrade (tovarish) can imply that he is a communist, and this is not always popular.  Gospodjin (accent on the I) is gentleman, or Mr., and is much safer.  I learned this from experience one day when saying hello to a Russian expatriate in West Sacramento a few years ago.

Here is a close friend of mine, next to a Heller P-39 for a size comparison.  sits a few feet away in the display case. An UKAR kit.  (EEKar).

 

Can I award the next question to someone else since I dun so gud?

 

John

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Posted by hudskit on Monday, March 5, 2007 9:54 PM

Sigh.....

Okay...Tell me about the time Mr. Earl Smith met Mr. Mikhail Gromov for the first time....in a cow pasture.

The aircraft involved?

The region in which the cow pasture was?

The year?

 Zadrastny tovaritches ( a correct spelling would be appreciated)

Keith

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Posted by skybolt2003 on Monday, March 5, 2007 9:29 PM
Right - it was a good question. I had some good leads but went no where. I don't know a lot about Soviet planes. I almost bought an 360 hp 9 cylinder Russian radial engine for my Skybolt project. Turns the wrong way and has a lot of non-standard (compared to US AN standards that is . . .) but decided not to. Later a valued friend who is THE engine man for a lot of the big name aerobatic performers (google BPA perfomrance engines) encouraged me, if I had any money to invest, to buy up as many of these engines as I could afford and put them away - better than money in the bank. Of course I had no money, and of course, they get a lot more money now! Used on many homebuilts.

Anyway – C-87 my butt!

Make it a good one! (but maybe not too hard . . .)
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Posted by jeaton01 on Monday, March 5, 2007 7:22 PM

Even if no one could get the answer it is still a good question.  This project is not in Bill Gunston's book, Russian Aircraft 1875-1995.  I will add it to my list, but will pass on the Unicraft kit!

Ha Ha, you have to come up with another question! 

 

John

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Posted by hudskit on Monday, March 5, 2007 6:22 PM

This one was probably a little unfair of me to pick- until I bought the kit off of e-bay I'd never heard of it!

The one thing that might be confusing you is it is a early war project- that stayed a paper project due to the failure of it's projected jet engine.

History:
Designed by M.I.Gudkov (who was one of three partners who designed the Lavochkin LaGG-3) in 1943 around the prototype Lyulka turbojet engine the RTD-1/VDR-2, the Gu-VRD was the USSR's first real attempt at a jet powered fighter. With no influence from the West, the Gu-VRD had many interesting features such as the stepped layout with the engine placed in the bottom of the fuselage aft of the nose and below the cockpit, with the exhaust exiting under the rear of the wing root, it also had a unique intake design consisting of a tipped nose with four separate intakes to the engine. The rest of the aircraft was of a standard Russian design, based on the LaGG-3.

The project documentation was submitted to the Scientific Research Institute of the Air Force (NII VVS) on 10/3/1943, on the 17/4/1943 Department Chief I.I.Safronov wrote " Apparently, the aircraft would fly with the claimed speed, but the problem is that as of today there is no engine, just the name of it's designer (Lyulka). Hence, the emphasis is to be on the engine". By 1943 Lyulka had designed and partially tested the prototype RDT-1/VDR-2 engine, with a thrust of around 700 kg, but then work on this engine stoped to concentrate on a new engine the VDR-3/S-18 which would not be ready for another two years.

In the summer of 1943 the Gudkov bureau was closed down after another of Gudkov's prototypes the Gu-37 crashed on the 12/6/1943 killing test pilot A.I.Nikashin.

With this

It's a Unicraft resin kit- which means buy new sanding sticks and scour the parts bin for pieces-but I doubt I'll see another of these kits soon.

I figured with a question like this the racing questions might seem appealing(LOL).regards,Keith

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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, March 4, 2007 11:39 PM
Keith, I don't know about everyone else but I'm pretty much out of altitude and airspeed on this one.  The USSR is a tough one for cold war paper projects.

John

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Posted by hudskit on Sunday, March 4, 2007 7:00 PM

John,

This one was fairly unique in that it was based on an projected russian jet engine that never materialized-an interesting parallel to many of the US engine designs and their complimentary aircraft designs  that failed to progress beyond the prototype stage(except,of course, for the fact that metal/wood was never cut on this airplane ). The LA 150 was also based on captured german jet engine technology as were it's stablemates from suchoi, Mig and yak design bureaus.

Lemme know when i need to flesh it out some,

Keith

 

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Posted by jeaton01 on Sunday, March 4, 2007 5:27 PM
The next design after the La-11 was the La-150, but it flew, and was powered by a derivative of the Junkers Jumo, the RD-10.  Can't find evidence of a paper project so far.

John

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Posted by hudskit on Sunday, March 4, 2007 5:08 PM

Very close indeed- that aircraft was a development of Su-1/ Su-3 series of high altitude fighters (piston engined) - you're on the right track but not the right manufactureur....

Regards, keith

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Posted by mojodoctor on Sunday, March 4, 2007 2:44 PM

 hudskit wrote:

Please read for the question "what jet aircraft design was developed from the Lagg 3 series of fighters ?"

How about the Sukhoi Su-9 which flew in August 1946?

Maybe?

Matt Fly fast, fly low, turn left!
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Posted by hudskit on Sunday, March 4, 2007 10:34 AM

Update for the question-

Please read for the question "what jet aircraft design was developed from the Lagg 3 series of fighters ?"

Sooner or later I'll learn to type and use this comp thingy...

Keith

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Posted by hudskit on Sunday, March 4, 2007 10:30 AM

Brett,

For me those are the aircraft I like- the uglier the better. if I had a choice of building a kit I'd go for the vacuform Budd over a tamiya P-51 every time....

I like to work on older cars- '70's musclecars,and I've had a bunch of them. My current project? A 1979 Ford Ranchero- truly a "butt-ugly/fugly " car if there ever was one.

So how are you with first generation Russian jets? I really tried for obscure here-but if it helps there is a resin kit of this aircraft around from one of the smaller companies.

 

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Posted by skybolt2003 on Saturday, March 3, 2007 10:31 PM
The Budd Conestoga – more like "butt-ugly Conestoga"!
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Posted by hudskit on Saturday, March 3, 2007 10:16 PM

Okay-something different this time......

In developing the jet aircraft the Russians relied on installing jet engines in existing airframes- the Yak 9 became the Yak 15- the Mig 3 series developed into the Mig 9 series- but aircraft did the Lagg series fighter develop into? This aircraft was the first jet aircraft designed to use an indigenous jet engine- but never left the drawing board due to that fact....

Good luck all

Regards, Keith

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, March 3, 2007 6:41 PM

I tried to be tricky with the "non-strategic" thingy, but then I never seem to fool my wife, either....

I don't know of a kit, but everytime I say that a vacform turns up.

Over to you, Keith!

John

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Posted by hudskit on Saturday, March 3, 2007 3:14 PM

John,

Hoping you're thinking of that truly innovative airline- The Flying Tigers Line- if so I think the aircraft might have a "stainless" reputation but not necessarily with theairline- The unique Budd Conestoga- but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm wrong on this one....

Keith

If so- is there a kit of it around in 72nd?

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Posted by jeaton01 on Saturday, March 3, 2007 10:38 AM
Both the U S Navy and the USAAF ordered this airplane, which was built with non-strategic materials and later helped found a well known airline.

John

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, March 3, 2007 8:18 AM
            I would say the F4 in foreign service.
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Posted by jeaton01 on Friday, March 2, 2007 10:42 PM

Here is the Wartin Kitten.  If I remember correctly, and the appearance suggests it is so, the wheels are retracted in this photo.  The wheels are internally sprung, notice the curved "spokes".  I don't know what the engine was.  Also you can see that it has wing tip ailerons, a dead givaway that it is a bit behind the curve aerodynamically even thogh it is rather nicely streamlined.  In the Paul Garber facility, 1967, I think.  

I will post a new question in the morning, I'm playing with a new camera this evening.

John

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Posted by skybolt2003 on Friday, March 2, 2007 10:26 PM
The Rb-1 was pretty cool looking, and very advanced. Cantelever surfaces when no one had done that before. It was very streamlined save for the massive hot watewr radiator. The gear used a system of bicycle chains and pulled up into the sides of the fuselage – which Grumman did 10 or so years later with the FF-1, F2F, F3F, F4F. I can;t imagine trying to fly that thing, right after take off, close to the ground, completely blind! And grinding away (or pumping in the case of the Grumman . . .) to get the gear up.
The Boeing Monomail while it wasn't mass produced, was recognizesd as one of the first practical uses of retractable gear (what does that mean really, sounds like good PR spin . . .)

John, give it your best . . .

I'd love to see the Kitten photo –
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Posted by hudskit on Friday, March 2, 2007 6:15 PM

Wow- clean sweep of the catagory for John. I've never seen the kitten either-if you have a picture it would be great to see it- I believe it didn't fly because it couldn't- but please let me know if I'm wrong on that.  I believe the Rb-1 was the first aircraft to fly with retractable gear- not merely the first to race with them.

There is a resin kit of the Dayton wright as well the verville sperry in 72nd as well as 48th-I have them floating around somewhere in 72nd....

 

pleased to pass on the baton...

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Posted by jeaton01 on Friday, March 2, 2007 12:58 AM

Yeah, I have a bunch of books and magazines, too.  Air Progress from the start until it wasn't any good anymore, same for Wings/Airpower, Air Classics, Flying, a bunch from WW II and all from 1957 until in the 90's, Business and Commercial Aviation from the 70's and 80's. 

I live not too many miles from Reno, but I haven't been very often.  When I was flying and selling airplanes for a living I never really wanted to spend my off time around airplanes.  I was there the year the Red Baron Mustang went in.  Hated that.  Was at the races once when they were in the dirt, the Thunderbirds were flying F-100's and Greenameyer was flying Conquest I the first time. 

My vote for the first air racer with retractable gear that showed up at a race would be the Dayton Wright RB-1.  The Verville Sperry R-3 did race, and the Wartin Kitten never flew.  It used to hang in the Paul Garber main building, I think I have a photo of it.

John

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Posted by skybolt2003 on Thursday, March 1, 2007 9:32 PM
Well, I don't know, but . . .
My son just got one of those virtual pet toys, and it keeps meowing . . .

I have never seen a picture of this thing, just very brief accounts of it so it's really a big mystery to me.

The other two I'm a lot more sure about. I actually know how they looked.

-Bret
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Posted by hudskit on Thursday, March 1, 2007 9:13 PM

Bret,

Time well spent I'd say-you really know your stuff. I started as a modeler- then the same path but more so on the history angle- I grew up in arlington VA with WW2 vets as my neighbors- and truly grew to love this stuff and the men who flew them.

I only recently started to enjoy air racing- but have really been bitten hard by the bug. I've been to the past 5 renos- there is truly nothing like being there in the pits for the events. in addition there is an Air Racing historians group that meets every year in Cleveland- so to meet people like Dick Becker or Cook Cleland in person only serves to fire up the desire to learn about this unique chapter in aviation history even more...

So tell me- what do you think the first plane is?

regards, Keith

 

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Posted by hudskit on Thursday, March 1, 2007 9:00 PM

Bret,

 

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Posted by skybolt2003 on Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:48 PM
When I was a kid, I was lucky enough to have subscriptions to a lot of aviation magazines. Wings, Airpower, Air Classics. When I was 6 or 7, I managed to talk my mom into buying me a book by Edward Jablonski - Flying Fortress. First real book I ever read. My friends all read comic books, I read this junk. I've forgotten a lot over the years, but I'll tell ya, these questions bring back a lot of memories. All the magazines are still at home in the attic, my dad says he's shipping them out to me everytime I talk to him. Cross and Cockade, Sky Trails, Sport Pilot, Sport Aviation, Warbirds, Air Progress – boxes and boxes.
-Bret

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Posted by skybolt2003 on Thursday, March 1, 2007 8:39 PM
one hundred one . . . one hundred two . . .
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Posted by hudskit on Thursday, March 1, 2007 7:37 PM

If only I could think of one that tough...had an out of town install but back now.

Okay- To continue in my modest efforts to interest modelers in air racing....

Please name the first three aircraft designs to incorporate retractable landing gear in their design?

as a hint -the first design was built but never actually flew....

but the next 2 did!

And to be fair I think Skybolt should count to 100 slowly before answering....

(Just kidding, bret-but maybe you could just type slowly...)

 

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Posted by skybolt2003 on Thursday, March 1, 2007 4:54 PM
*bump*

Keith, whatta you working up a really, really hard question??

-B
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