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Posted by PhilB on Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:06 PM

English

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Thursday, September 27, 2012 5:57 PM

What language did they speak?

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Posted by PhilB on Thursday, September 27, 2012 5:57 PM

I'm looking for an aviation pioneer.   A most unusual pioneer, someone who, at first sight, would not be linked to aviation.  Feel free to ask questions.

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Thursday, September 27, 2012 5:26 PM

Scorpiomikey

I think mil forgot?

Yes, he certainly did Snail
 
 

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Xian JH-7

Yes, it certainly was Yes
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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:46 PM

I think mil forgot?

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Posted by PhilB on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:36 AM

Xian JH-7

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Posted by PhilB on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:27 AM

Milairjunkie also was correct in identifying the Westland Whirlwind.  The first Whirlwind was a cannon equipped twin engined fighter designed to meet a requirement for a heavily armed, fast fighter with a range exceeding that of contemporary single engined fighters.

Plagued by problems with the development of the Rolls Royce Peregrine engine, the type entered service with only 3 RAF Squadrons.  A failure at altitude due to the performance of the engine, of the 2 prototypes and 114 production aircraft, some 65-70 were converted to low level fighter bombers in which role they had some success.  The continuing problems with the engine stymied development of what was deemed a good aircraft by its pilots as, with other priorities, Rolls Royce had no time to sort out the Peregrine.

The type was declared obsolescent on January 1 1944, all surviving aircraft having been withdrawn to a Maintenance Unit in Dumfries by December 1943.  All but one were scrapped, the survivor was returned to the manufacturer where it was eventually civilianised and used a a company hack until sometime in 1947.

Another escapee was sent to the US Navy  in June 1942 for evaluation and survived until 1944.  

Had the engine performed (or perhaps a version of the Merlin been fitted) the type would certainly have been more successful than the Me110 and would have stood a chance of being as widely used as the Lockheed P-38, both of which were built originally for similar roles.

The second Westland Whirlwind was a licensed produced Sikorsky S-55 helicopter with a British designed rotor gearbox.  Power limitations with the P+W Wasp and Wright Cyclone engines, with which early versions were equipped, led to later versions having the Alvis Leonides Major fitted.

Some instrumentation changes were also made.  Later in the development of the type variations were made to the tail boom and a number of aircraft were converted to Bristol Gnome gas turbine power, leading to 68 military and 5 civilian versions being built new.

Westland sold 400 airframes to 18 different countries.

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 10:13 AM

This aircraft type is the newest to have it's maiden flight running on the RR Spey turbofan?

Aircraft running on the Spey derived Tay are not included!

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Posted by PhilB on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 9:49 AM

Well worked through Milairjunkie.

Aircraft name #1 is Argosy and the manufacturer is Armstrong Whitworth.  Argosy was the name given to the AW154 1926 tri-motor passenger aircraft built for Imperial Airways who named them for UK cities.  Seven were built in total.  Used primarily on European routes, they were also used to good effect on portions of the route between Cairo and Cape Town though their ungainly looks hardly would inspire confidence of fast sector times.

In March 1933 "City of Liverpool" was over Dixmude in Belgium en route Brussels to Croydon when it caught fire and crashed with the loss of all on board.  A passenger from Manchester named Voss, widely held to have financial problems in the UK and Germany, had exited the aircraft before it crashed but after the fire had started in the vicinity of his seat.  The UK inquest was inconclusive as was the official enquiry but most aviation historians believe this was the first case of suicidal sabotage involving an airliner.

Two others of the seven built were destroyed in non fatal accidents. The remaining aircraft were kept in service until 1935.  One, "City of Manchester" was sold to United Airways based at Stanley Park, Blackpool.  Blackpool was THE major holiday destination for Mancunians in the 1930s so many of its patrons would likely have been from that city.  United became part of British Airways in 1936.

The Armstrong Whitworth AW650/660 Argosy was a private venture which came out of an abandoned Air Ministry requirement for a twin engined military freighter.  The 100 Srs used the Shackleton wing  and sold in penny numbers the majority built being extensively used in the USA on LOGAIR contracts operated by civilian airlines for the military.  Parts of the design did not suit BEA who had a need for pure freighters and had taken 3 on lease. They demanded a new fail safe and "wet" wing but also had the nose and tail doors redesigned along with a new undercarriage which became the 220 Srs, BEA were the only customer.

In 1959 the Air Ministry then drew up a new freighter requirement.  The AW660 Argosy was designed and built to this requirement.  The 100 Srs design was ugraded with a new floor, the nose door was deleted, a radome added, the rear side opening door was replaced by a clamshell and wider rear side doors were added for paratrooping.

The RAF, during the service life of the type,  heavily modified nine aircraft to E1 standard for flight /airfield inspection.  Two other aircraft were modified to T2 standard as navigation trainers.  Several more should have been modified but the plan was hit by budget cuts.

The 100 Srs was also offered as a 71 seat passenger aircraft, BEA being the main target but the larger Vanguard was more to their need.  The AW670 Airbus was a bulged fuselage version meant as a 6 vehicle/30 passenger replacement for the Bristol Superfreighter, or as a 126 seat high density, short range airliner.  

Considering only 74airframes ever flew, the type had a varied life with 21 operators in 10 countries, one of which, SAFE Airlines of New Zealand, operated the only civil passenger versions as it had the contract to provide the air link to the Chatham Islands.  To achieve this it inserted a pressurised chamber on the freight floor equipped with seats, toilets and a galley.

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:41 AM

Manufacturer 1 is Armstrong Whitworth & the name is Argosy?

Between resort flying & named after a city I'd gone down the route of flying boats, but couldn't find anything - Blackpool had also crossed my mind as the resort, but again I was looking for flying boats....

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Posted by PhilB on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:15 AM

One of manufacturer #1's older type was involved in a fatal accident,the worst for the airline and country at the time, widely believed to have been sabotage involving suicide and indeed the first airliner anywhere to have been sabotaged in the air by a passenger, although the inquest on the suspect was inconclusive.

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:01 AM

The fact that the earlier aircraft from the other manufacturer was named after a city & flew from a resort possibly gives me a idea of what type / class of aircraft it was, but other than that I don't have a clue....

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Posted by PhilB on Monday, September 24, 2012 6:24 PM

Another clue:  Manufacture #1's second type to bear the name, at almost the end of the type's use, was operated in the role that had been envisaged by the manufacturer as the fourth version of the type.  This was achieved by means of a special insert designed by one operator for a particular service.

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Posted by PhilB on Monday, September 24, 2012 5:37 PM

Scorpiomikey - No

Milairjunkie - You are on the way

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Monday, September 24, 2012 5:29 PM

Alright, Avro Manchester And Hawker Harrier.

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Monday, September 24, 2012 5:22 PM

One of them is the Westland Whirlwind, first a fighter then a helicopter.

Has the other manufacturers name changed at all due to mergers or whatever - like Hawker / Hawker Siddeley?

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Posted by PhilB on Monday, September 24, 2012 5:04 PM

Wrong side of the pond

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Posted by PhilB on Monday, September 24, 2012 5:03 PM

Very simply you are just looking for two type names, one from each manufacturer.  I thought I'd made it easier by using the terms "manufacturer #1" and manufacturer #2  and keeping the older and newer aircraft clues separate.

There are very few examples of manufacturers using the exact type names for totally different types.  

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Monday, September 24, 2012 5:03 PM

Although i will pitch in with the KC-97 and the KC-135 stratotankers.

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Monday, September 24, 2012 4:44 PM

The problem is your asking 2 questions. They're getting muddled up and confusing. 2 questions looking for 4 aircraft. Every time you post a hint i get more and more confused. Ill keep trying though.

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Posted by PhilB on Monday, September 24, 2012 11:55 AM

Obviously this one's causing problems!.

No examples of the older aircraft from manufacturer #1 exist.  The last one flying had been named for a city by its original owner and ended its career at a a resort giving pleasure flights.  Doubtless many of its patrons came from that city, in easy reach of the resort.

No examples of the older aircraft from manufacturer #2 exist.  The last one outlived the survivors of combat by just under 4 years, by dint of being returned to the manufacturer who used it as a company hack.  All the rest were scrapped in the same month, at the same place, after their withdrawal.  

In the late 1970s 2/3rd scale plans of the type were on offer for the homebuild market, using the wings and tail of another type and bearing just a passing resemblance to the original.  15 sets of plans were sold but it is thought only one was completed - ironically powered by two air cooled engines from the country the original type fought against!

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Posted by PhilB on Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:16 PM

As everyone's had plenty of thinking time during the shut down, only a small clue today:  both manufacturers are from the same country.

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Posted by PhilB on Saturday, September 22, 2012 4:59 AM

As the question needs two type manufacturers/type names, I will only comment on answers to both parts of the question.  If someone answers one part correctly, the other incorrectly the comment will be "partly correct" so as not to give the game away.

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Posted by PhilB on Saturday, September 22, 2012 3:50 AM

The newer aircraft from manufacturer #1 was a private venture developed from a military requirement after the requirement was withdrawn.  Aimed at the civil market's similar requirement, the type had 3 versions built by the manufacturer, each visually similar but each being distinctly different in build.  A fourth version aimed at a different civil market was not built.  Ironically the biggest customer was the same military that dropped the requirement that led to the type being developed, and they modified some examples into 2 further sub types!

The newer aircraft from manufacturer #2 had only two similarities to the older type:  it could fly and it was piston powered.  Otherwise it was a totally different animal.

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Posted by PhilB on Friday, September 21, 2012 4:48 PM

Not the Fury/Sea Fury.  The names I want are identical.

The older aircraft from manufacturer #1 had 2 versions, was used by 3 operators, though production didn't make double digits and, perhaps surprisingly given the period and its performance, was used far from home.

The older aircraft from manufacturer #2 was produced to solve a particular problem which other protagonists of the period solved with much more successful aircraft.  This type reached triple digit production, had a short service life , including combat, and one example was sent far away to be evaluated by an ally.

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Friday, September 21, 2012 4:12 PM

Hawker Fury? Before ww2 Hawker developed the Fury, Near the end and after WW2 they developed the Sea Fury. 2 Amazingly different aircraft.

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Posted by PhilB on Friday, September 21, 2012 12:03 PM

This question isn't as complicated as it may at first appear:

I'm looking for 2 manufacturers and 2 type names, one for each manufacturer.   Each manufacturer used each name twice in a relatively short period for very different types

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Friday, September 21, 2012 11:30 AM

PhilB

The aircraft you are looking for is the Airbus A300.  

Correct, the A300.

Made in Europe in a similar fashion to the aviation icon Concorde, whose launch overshadowed that of the more mundane A-300. After some initial orders to national carriers who were obliged to purchase the A300, Airbus had a small & growing collection of unsold aircraft looking for customers......

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Posted by PhilB on Friday, September 21, 2012 10:03 AM

The aircraft you are looking for is the Airbus A300.  The A300-600ST Beluga has a main deck volume greater than the C-5 and the aircraft overshadowing the A300 was Concorde

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Posted by Milairjunkie on Friday, September 21, 2012 5:30 AM

Scorpiomikey

Sounds like a Tupelov to me.

 
No, it was created on the other side of the curtain from Tupolev & the previously mentioned version beats most Tupolev's in the same way it beats the C-5.
 
The aircraft which overshadowed this ones launch will give the clue away - it was a first (& possibly the last), a pioneer, a feat of engineering, is iconic & famous, no longer flies & was built in the same area as the aircraft in question.
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