Aircraft Trivia Quiz

A clue:

The type which became a classic changed the world and had the classic developed from the other type been used to its full potential, it would have changed the world.

Not the Panther and the Cougar

According to the manufacturers' official records  - note the double plural!

Hmmm.  There are only a couple that come to mind so I'll make a guess..

The Panther and Cougar?

PhilB

As the ball seems to have been dropped since the last answer, try this one to get the thread going again.

I'm looking for two types which share the same type number.  Both shared the same type of propulsion initially.  One was a classic, the other helped develop a classic.  The classics had very different roles.

According to the manufacturers' official records one had a production run 202 times greater than the other.

PhilB

As the ball seems to have been dropped since the last answer

Completely my fault - sorry folks

As the ball seems to have been dropped since the last answer, try this one to get the thread going again.

I'm looking for two types which share the same type number.  Both shared the same type of propulsion initially.  One was a classic, the other helped develop a classic.  The classics had very different roles.

According to the manufacturers' official records one had a production run 202 times greater than the other.

Indeed!  That was quick, over to you Milair

Baade 152?

Communist East Germany built it's own jet airliner, based upon a bomber, designed by a man who had designed Junkers undercarriages.  What was it called?

Yes, the Jet Mentor is the one.  It actually has the vertical tail of the T-34.  I've seen it, it's on display at the Kansas Aviation Museum in Wichita, KS.  It's in really poor condition but still there. 

Beechcraft Model 73 Jet Mentor?  It was based on a successful line of trainers, but with a jet engine.  Only one was ever built

Nope, not the Athena.  The Athena was actually used in service, with 15 service aircraft being built, and 22 total including prototypes.  The plane I am looking for was never used in active service, and only one was ever built.

Actually, the Avro Athena followed a similar history as the Balliol, with a single Mamba version being developed, before use of the Merlin.  If anything, it's closer, as it lost out to the Balliol, so, I'm wrong again, and I'm switching my answer to the Athena!

No, I'm wrong (the piston Provost did become a jet though, but it was successful, and spawned the Strikemaster too).  It's the Bolton Paul Balliol, which used a Mamba turbo-prop for a one-off development, before the RAF changed their mind, and switched to Merlins

Provost

no, the Skyfox and the T-33 both used jet engines...the aircraft I am looking for used a different type of powerplant than the original.

The Boeing Skyfox, based on the T-33?

Rouge Valley International?

OK, looking for an aircraft.  This plane was designed as a trainer, and was directly based upon an existing trainer aircraft, but with a different type of powerplant.  The trainer found no civilian or military customers, and only one was ever built.  It did fly, but it wasnt the only game in town and the competition won out.  This one aircraft still exists today.  Name the plane and for bonus points, tell us where the surviving example is.

That was very quick F-8!  Over to you.  Yes, an amazingly ugly aircraft

This would be the PZL LWS-6 Zubr, also known as the PZL.30.....an astonishingly ugly plane to boot.

This aircraft was first developed as an airliner, but the national airline rejected it.  It was then re-developed as a bomber, the idea being that it could act as a back-up in case the new advanced bomber was a failure (it wasn't).

However, the back-up aircraft, the one in question, was very flawed.  It needed strengthing, basically removing it's ability to carry bombs.  The undercarriage sometimes collapsed on landing, so the aircraft flew with the landing gear down.

The factory tried to export some, but crashing the prototype, killing 2 officers from the airforce thinking of buying the aircraft wasn't a good idea.  Trying to blame the two offiers for causing the crash was worse...  (they bought the advanced bomber instead - hardly surprising as it was the same price, but far far better).

17 were built.  Although combat aircraft, in theory, they were never used in combat, even though the opportunity was there. 

Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with that particular story.

Phil_H

Something of a coincidence that the present-day Typhoon is also the successor to the Tornado (at least in RAF service).

Does this mean that the Typhoon's successor will be called the Stealth Fury?

Slightly OT, but being a "local" & all that, have you any idea what happened to Steve Hart's Sea Fury, "Bagdad Fury" - last I heard he was serving time for tax evasion & the AFP had seized everything, including the Sea Fury?

Something of a coincidence that the present-day Typhoon is also the successor to the Tornado (at least in RAF service).

Centhot

Tornado/Typhoon/Tempest/Fury? 

That would be correct, the Hawker "bad weather" family - 3 production aircraft & 1 prototype if you want to include it.

The Typhoon wasn't so good in it's original role, but was superb near the deck & the often now raced Sea Fury could be described as the epitome of the prop/piston fighter.

Sea Fury sold to Germany, the past enemy & also to Iraq, a future "enemy".

Both the UK & Australia have original(ish) flying Sea Furies.

I've been lucky enough to see the Sea Fury flying with a Griffon Spitfire - it's a bit of a conundrum trying to figure which I prefer most.......................

Go Centhot!

Centhot

Tornado/Typhoon/Tempest/Fury? 

That's more or less what I was thinking, except that the Tornado was more a prototype and not a production aircraft. That would make the 3 the Typhoon, Tempest and Fury and the fourth the Sea Fury. 

Tornado/Typhoon/Tempest/Fury?  The Tornado was abandoned, as RR abandoned the Vulture engine.  The Typhoon was a failure due to it's over-thick wing in it's planned role as a high-speed interceptor, but proved to be excellent at ground attack (and had flutter problems, causing the tail to come off initially), whilst the Tempest was a rather good aircraft aircraft.  Assuming one disregards the Tornado (the 3rd/4th element of the question), then the final incarnation of the line is the Fury, which is used a lot in racing today.

Phil_H

Pretty sure I know this one - would it be fair to say the wind is getting angry now?

So the shipping forecast suggests

I wonder if you've been in the same lucky position as myself?

Pretty sure I know this one - would it be fair to say the wind is getting angry now?

Scorpiomikey

The other thought i had was the A-36 P-51 series.

Again, still short on power?

Phil_H

I'm thinking non-American.....

That would be correct?

Scorpiomikey & Phil H - at least one version of this family / series has flown for your "local" air arms.....

I'm thinking non-American.....