Ship Trivia Quiz

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USS Reluctant

This scene takes place aboard what (ficticious) ship?

bondo, go.

I've got to agree with subfixer. The question implies that you were asking for her name as the sister of HMS Canada not what happened to her after WWI was over or what her name was changed to.

Alias or not, if it's the same vessel, you've got to give it to him. Perhaps with an explanation or disclaimer.

:)

i was thinking more of her alias.

Her sister ship was Almirante Cochrane, and she was originally intended for Chile.

what was the sister ship of hms canada & who was it originally intended for?

Completely correct! ddp59 you are the undisputed champion of quick trivia turnaround time!

I concede the next question to you

HMCS Rainbow in 1910

The cruiser Rainbow was the first ship commissioned into Canada's navy on August 4, 1910, at Portsmouth, England. She arrived at Esquimalt, British Columbia, on November 7, 1910, and carried out fishery patrols and training duties on Canada's west coast.^[

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Canadian_Navy

Royal Canadian Navy 100th anniversary

Anyone know the significance of this otherwise insignificant vessel?

Well done, Force9. You may ask the next trivia question.

I found this tidbit:

OK, she caught so many fish that the trawl net dragged her under.

Hint time for the Johnny and Sisters: This fishing vessel was having an extraordinarily lucky day.

 I served abord the U. S. S. Antietam in 1957 to 1959 as an IC3/c, when she operated as a flight trainer for the Naval Air Station at Pensacola, Florida. I was told that the Antietam was the first American carrier to be fitted with an angle deck during November to December 1952.

                        Montani semper liberi !   Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                             Crackers                  

The Johnny and Sisters was sunk. I misasked the question. How did she sink? The answer can be found on the internet.

I thought subfixer was looking for the old saw about how there were so many miles between Wisconsin's (original) bow and her stern.

http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mma/wrecks/wrecks/shipwrecks.asp?ID=2512

The only ship I can find by that name was a fishing boat the got into trouble off the coast of Nova Scotia in 1976. The account says she foundered which in my book is the same a sunk.

Bondo

Part of painting a Navy ship involved chipping the old paint off first. That's what all the deck crawlers, needle guns, and chipping hammers on board were for. If we are going for overall length I still vote for the New Jersey although we arguing about a couple of inches in 887 feet.

Well, I'd vote for New Jersey. here's my thinking. She's the second oldest, after Iowa. Iowa was 5" shorter, so she's out of the hunt.

In the Navy, you either salute it, or paint it. The NJ went on more cruises, for a longer time, than her successors. So, all that gray paint adds up.

Hey sub, please a little hint. I can't find any songs with that lyric, and only one boat by that name in any dive sites, which also means she did sink.

amphib

According to the info I have both the Missouri and the Wisconsin, as well as the unfinished Kentucky, were 1 3/4" longer than the New Jersey at the water line. I have a picture showing the Kentucky being moved into drydock to remove the engines. What you can see on the bow and is in the caption is that the upper bow section from the Kentucky and the undamaged lower bow section from the Wisconsin are on deck. So I don't think the Wisconsin got any longer in the process.

However are we talking about waterline length or over all length? Water line length of the Iowa 859'-5 3/4", New Jersey 859'-10 1/4", Missouri, Wisconsin, Kentucky 860'-0" However if you look at overall length Iowa 887'-2 3/4", New Jersey 887'-6 5/8", Missouri, Wisconsin, and Kentucky as designed 887'-3". Therefore even if you added three inches to the overall length of the Wisconsin, New Jersey would still be longer by 5/8".

Like I said, I'm not a shipfitter and don't know the method they used to attach the sections. But I do know that it is an amazing process that allows  major surgery to be performed on a ship's hull. Perhaps from where the attachment of the new section was made, that additional reinforcing structure was necessary to be added that inadvertently lengthened  the hull.  Maybe they're lying, I don't know. What I do know, however, is that the overall measurement of a ship's length isn't made from the length of the waterline but from the ship's actual physical length.

It's one reason that Enterprise retains her two whatchacallits on the bow that look like diving boards (they were used to catch catapult cables used for launching certain aircraft). It gives her bragging rights for being longer than the other carriers in the fleet.

According to the info I have both the Missouri and the Wisconsin, as well as the unfinished Kentucky, were 1 3/4" longer than the New Jersey at the water line. I have a picture showing the Kentucky being moved into drydock to remove the engines. What you can see on the bow and is in the caption is that the upper bow section from the Kentucky and the undamaged lower bow section from the Wisconsin are on deck. So I don't think the Wisconsin got any longer in the process.

However are we talking about waterline length or over all length? Water line length of the Iowa 859'-5 3/4", New Jersey 859'-10 1/4", Missouri, Wisconsin, Kentucky 860'-0" However if you look at overall length Iowa 887'-2 3/4", New Jersey 887'-6 5/8", Missouri, Wisconsin, and Kentucky as designed 887'-3". Therefore even if you added three inches to the overall length of the Wisconsin, New Jersey would still be longer by 5/8".

bondoman

She pissed off Tankerbuilder.

Wah! Hee hee!     But, no.

She pissed off Tankerbuilder.

Anyway, here is the next question: How did the Johnny and  Sisters almost sink?

When the bow was repaired, the undamaged upper portion was cut off to allow lowering the lower bow section to the hull which had been previously prepared to receive it. I've witnessed this myself on other ships at the Navy Yard. It would be very difficult, if not impossible, due to the space restrictions in a drydock that is virtually filled up with the mass of a ship, to lower a big section of hull to the drydock floor and push it in to fit the hull cut. I don't know if the upper portion that was fitted was the Wisconsin's  or the Kentucky's but, since the Kentucky was being built at the Norfolk Navy Yard in the first place, it might still have been in the local area. All of those old shipfitters are gone now, so I don't know who to ask at the Yard. We have a technical library here but I've never used it. The info is there I'm sure. The difference in length is supposed to be only about three inches. There are some who claim that due to a building error, that the New Jersey is actually two feet longer than Wisconsin. But I don't know what the basis for that is.

As for the accounting of the discrepancy in lenght; I think that it was, indeed the width of the weld and the structure added to allow the two to mate. It is not just a matter of sticking the two pieces together and welding them up, there is a lot to the art of shipfitting and I respect the guys (and girls) who practice that trade.

This is from GlobalSecurity.org:

The Kentucky (BB-66) was built at the Norfolk Navy Yard, Portsmouth, Virginia, but never completed. Her keel was first laid in March 1942. Construction was suspended in June of that year and not resumed until December 1944. Work was again suspended in February 1947. The ship, completed only up to her second deck, was launched to clear the building drydock, so that USS Missouri (BB-63) could undergo repairs for damage received when she went aground on 17 January 1950. Though several schemes were entertained for completing Kentucky as a guided-missile ship, none were pursued. Her bow was removed in 1956 to repair USS Wisconsin (BB-64), and she was sold for scrapping in October 1958. However, Kentucky's engines remain in service to this day, powering the fast combat support ships USS Sacramento (AOE-1) and USS Camden (AOE-2).

BB-64 Wisconsin is allegedly three inches longer than the other Iowa-class battleships. This minor extension in the 887-foot battleship’s hull occurred, so the story goes, when shipyard workers placed the bow of unfinished Kentucky (BB-66) on to Wisconsin after her collision with the destroyer Eaton. As Wisconsin is three inches longer, she is the largest battleship currently in the world

Subfixer

Why would you think that the Wisconsin got longer just because the lower portion of the bow of the Kentucky was grafted on after her collision? The hulls of the Iowa and New Jersey were 859'-10.25" long. Those of the Missouri, Wisconsin, and Kentucky were 860 feet even. Unless you are going to add the width of a weld it would seem the finished length didn't change.

Ted

subfixer, yes.