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Posted by oddmanrush on Wednesday, April 7, 2010 4:50 PM

Ich fange mit Kommunisten an und arbeite mein Weg hinunter!!

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, April 7, 2010 5:02 PM

oddmanrush

Ich fange mit Kommunisten an und arbeite mein Weg hinunter!!

LOL....

Meinen sie bolschwisten?

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Posted by oddmanrush on Wednesday, April 7, 2010 5:30 PM

Ah, we digress......wasn't there just some thread some where about hijacking other threads? Sounds familiar....

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, April 7, 2010 6:22 PM

Me bad....

back to the subject of the thread.

I presume Hasegawa's primary benefit would be access to the USA market.

Questiion:

Would Hasegawa's association have any benefit regarding kit mold swaps  to Japan by Revell/Monogram USA?

Any ideas?

I presume IF Hasegawa swaped molds it would favor Revell Germany rather than Revell USA.

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Wednesday, April 7, 2010 6:59 PM

Sprue-ce Goose

I presume Hasegawa's primary benefit would be access to the USA market.

They've had no problem getting into the US market.

Questiion:

Would Hasegawa's association have any benefit regarding kit mold swaps  to Japan by Revell/Monogram USA?

It may be part of the deal between Hobbico and Hasegawa, we'll soon see.

Any ideas?

I presume IF Hasegawa swaped molds it would favor Revell Germany rather than Revell USA.

association

Your assumption is probably wrong. RoG is a completely different company than R/M-Hobbico. Hobbico has a relationship with RoG in that they exchange distribution services and molds. RoG would have to enter a separate agreement with Hasegawa for the molds they own exclusively. I doubt that will happen anytime soon. There is a strong (apparently) between European mfrs...ie Italeri who has been producing repops of kits from other companies molds.

With the surge in labor costs in China, we might (I hope) see companies relocate their molds to US soil to have them produced. I know there is one company which has the capacity to produce them and able to competitive.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, April 7, 2010 7:22 PM

HawkeyeHobbies

 

 Sprue-ce Goose:

 

I presume Hasegawa's primary benefit would be access to the USA market.

They've had no problem getting into the US market.

Questiion:

Would Hasegawa's association have any benefit regarding kit mold swaps  to Japan by Revell/Monogram USA?

It may be part of the deal between Hobbico and Hasegawa, we'll soon see.

Any ideas?

I presume IF Hasegawa swaped molds it would favor Revell Germany rather than Revell USA.

association

Your assumption is probably wrong. RoG is a completely different company than R/M-Hobbico. Hobbico has a relationship with RoG in that they exchange distribution services and molds. RoG would have to enter a separate agreement with Hasegawa for the molds they own exclusively. I doubt that will happen anytime soon. There is a strong (apparently) between European mfrs...ie Italeri who has been producing repops of kits from other companies molds.

With the surge in labor costs in China, we might (I hope) see companies relocate their molds to US soil to have them produced. I know there is one company which has the capacity to produce them and able to competitive.

 

 

Many thanks for the descriptive post and your tollerance of my posting deviations.

Re: access to the USA- I should have said a more favorable cost of access with the change of association.

I had presumed any mold swapping would be a separate agreement but, as I don't work in the plastic model business, I have no insight regarding RoG and R/M- Hobbico.

I was not aware of any major shift in labor cost in the ROC as the only information I have is that the ROC has been keeping an artificial cap on trade costs as part of national policy.

I posted in another thread  that I was pleasantly surprised to discover the Revell Do-335 kit I purchased was molded and packaged in the USA.

I would very much like the trend to continue as our USA manufacturing base has suffered excessively- and I believe needlessly- over the past 20 years.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 7, 2010 7:45 PM

jimbot58

I heard Dragon was dropping Hasagawa because they didn't agree with their latest marketing strategy:

No new kits and flood the market with re-releases with added parts and options and even bigger prices.

Now...what's wrong with that strategy? I mean, what other company can take one mold and create 123 boxings of it---like their 1/48th Zero A6M5....wait, make that 124 boxings...

And by the way, my third wife caught hell for giving ya'll my picture as an SS Captain in '36...that picture never did do me justice...

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Wednesday, April 7, 2010 7:49 PM

Manstein's revenge

 

 jimbot58:

 

I heard Dragon was dropping Hasagawa because they didn't agree with their latest marketing strategy:

No new kits and flood the market with re-releases with added parts and options and even bigger prices.

 

Now...what's wrong with that strategy? I mean, what other company can take one mold and create 123 boxings of it---like their 1/48th Zero A6M5....wait, make that 124 boxings...

 

And by the way, my third wife caught hell for giving ya'll my picture as an SS Captain in '36...that picture never did do me justice...

Is Hasegawa entirely resposible for higher USA prices?

 

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Wednesday, April 7, 2010 9:52 PM

Sprue-ce Goose

 

 

 

Is Hasegawa entirely resposible for higher USA prices?

 

 

Yes and no. Mfrs control the prices they sell their products for as well as the MSRP. As a manufacturer I know my costs. I set the MSRP and then give retailers a set discount as well as another one for distributors.

Let's use a nice round number...say an item retails for $100.00. As a mfr I set that as my MSRP (mfr suggested retail price). Now a distributor comes along and wants to purchase in quantity. So I decide he get them for 50% off list. So he pays me $50.00 per item. Now I as the mfr are out of the picture. I have sold the unit(s) and I busy myself using the money I made to pay my costs, develop new products, market them and tool up for more production.

The Distributor now seeks retailers to resell the items to the customer. The MSRP is the same, as it doesn't change, the mfr set the price. However the distributor has overhead. He warehouses the goods, ships them and usually gives purchasing terms. So he gives the retailer a discount of anywhere from 30%-40% off MSRP. So he sells them at 40% off. That's what $60.00. The distributor made $10.00 on the item.

Now the retailer has to sell the item so he can pay the distributor who gave him payment terms. So he sets it on the shelf with a $100.00 Price tag. Remember he paid $60.00. Savvy consumers never pay full price, so the retailer offers a discount say...10% off. That means the item has a sale price of $90.00.

A good customer comes in and wants the item. Given he is a good customer, the retailer gives the customer an addition 10$ off the purchase price. So the customer lays down $80.00 and walks away happy he got a great deal.  He must pay the distributor $60.00 for the item, which means the retailer netted $20.00. Out of that he has to pay any interest on the terms he made with the distributor, utility costs, labor and insurance costs and hopefully he'll have enough to be able to afford to restock the items sold. Maybe even take a little home in his pocket too!

Many believe that if you eliminate the DISTRIBUTOR from the chain, the costs will decrease. Not necessarily true. Distributors are the ones who carry the financing as well as the burden of inventory. If a Retailer had to call each and every manufacturer of the products in his shop...just think of the number of calls he'd have to make! Not dozens, but hundreds. Visit the Sprue Brothers site and click on the list of manufacturers, you'll get the ideal of how many there are, and that isn't an all inclusive list either. Now figure in the shipping costs for small quantities versus container loads that a distributor pulls in and sends out to the retailers. Mfrs are not facilitated to handle such volumes of orders by retailers. Heck some retailers can't handle their customers orders either!

Distributors offer a one stop shop for retailers. Sure many retailers source from different distributors, because not all distributors carry the same product lines. But they typically make a dozen or so calls a week, versus the hundreds they have to make if the went factory direct.

Think about your weekly grocery purchases, could you call and or visit the factories/farms from which your food stuffs come from. Not likely. Hence the modern grocery store (distributor) was created. Produce, butcher shop, dry goods, florists, bakery all under one convenient roof.

Did I say convenient? Yes, I did and whenever you have convenience you pay for it. Its in the cost of every thing to make it easier to use, acquire and consume. Next time your at a restaurant, and you have to wait for your meal to be served...What'd he have to do go kill the cow?" Convenience.

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, April 8, 2010 8:05 AM

Great explanation Hawkeye, especially the grocery store analogy. The "systems of convenience" for all of our retail products have become so entrenched that a lot of us really don't stop to think about the process. (Hadn't even considered the individual phone calls to manufacturers angle before - yuck!)

Somebody posted the the Revell Do335 was American-produced (Sprue-ce Goose?) That's gotta be a good sign on several levels. I was speaking to the 2nd in command of the Atlantic region Canadian Navy at a special event a few months back. He made a very good presentation on the shipping of goods from one country to another, various situations that would drive costs of "overseas" products up. It's actually cheaper to ship "X" from China to London (container ship) than it is to ship it from the London warehouse to a retail store in a suburb. Let's start making our own "stuff" again, whatever that may be!

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Thursday, April 8, 2010 8:24 AM

Transportation of products is a part of the process that isn't even on folk's radar these days. Our grocery stores have started putting the country of where the products come from, especially produce. As as kid I remember strawberries and other fruit being seasonal. Today, they are available 365 days a years as they are sourced and ship from around the world to my local grocer. Think of how much of the purchase price goes into transportation.

Bananas sell anywhere from .34 cents to .67 cents per pound around here...what is the cost of the fruit itself? Think about how much is spent on transportation as it relates to the supplies you purchase for your hobby. With the increase in labor costs in China, which due in part to the people accepting work on infrastructure jobs within the country, which takes the people closer to their homes. Those manufacturing jobs could possibly return to domestic soils. IF the consumer demand warrants it. It costs a lot to relocate a company's assets such as tooling and molds, then find a suitable location to reestablish a factory.

We here in the US are more less likely to accept such manufacturing, because we tend to offshore those "dirty low paying jobs" in lieu of higher paying ones or service centric industries. One fact that is not taught in schools is economics. If you live in a community which is either heavily manufacturing based or the other extreme service based, you'll feel the effects in the economy more so than those which have a blend of both. Our country continues to shed its manufacturing capacity and jobs. When you look at the reason immigration is the way it is, these people are taking factory jobs but ones in the service sector...landscaping, food service, construction...not working an assembly line job at GM, Ford, Boeing, HP, IBM or Goodyear.

We tend to want to live a certain lifestyle other than what those who founded and built this country through manufacturing did. Yeah it was hard work, but people had jobs and gov't was there to help, unlike today.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 8, 2010 8:28 AM

On the eastern front our lorries would often use 2/3rds of the fuel they were carrying just to get the remaining 1/3rd to the front lines...when mud was heavy it was often worse than that...

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Thursday, April 8, 2010 8:47 AM

The upside was that it didn't take long to unload the lorries...

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, April 9, 2010 11:01 AM

More questions:

If Hasegawa is setting MSRP- how closely does the marketplace follow that designated amount?

I've not really followed prices posted by various retailers.

I do know their kits are very, very expensive considering what is in the box.

Economic theory should dictate success or failure of Hasegawa's pricing- they are, afterall NOT government.

I don't buy much of Hasegawa's product because of their prices vs. what is in the box.

In theory, Hasegawa should lose sales as others stop buying. 

In theory, Hasegawa will either lower prices, cease production or cease mainstream prioduction in favor of supplying a wealthy market niche.

Is my thinking correct or have I neglected something?

Are people voting with their wallets in favor of Hasegawa simply because no one else can compete?

 

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, April 9, 2010 11:05 AM

The Red Air Force took care of "Unloading" most of them...

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, April 9, 2010 11:11 AM

"What's in the box" Sprue-ce Goose? Up until recently I usually stuck to 1/72 ww2 aircraft and have usually been pleased with the plastic inside. No major fit issues, the shapes look right to my eye, never had an issue with their decals. Granted the interior detail is hit or miss depending on the age of the actual mold, but how much of that '109's cockpit am I going to see after it's in the case. I've built Tamiya, Academy, Italeri, Dragon in the same scale with better detail of course, but I've never found Hase prices out to lunch. (Or maybe if I did see one with a big price tag I never even considered it?) Wait, someone said lunch...

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, April 9, 2010 11:18 AM

VanceCrozier

 I usually stuck to 1/72 ww2 aircraft and have usually been pleased with the plastic inside. but I've never found Hase prices out to lunch. (Or maybe if I did see one with a big price tag I never even considered it?) Wait, someone said lunch...

Maybe prices are different north of the vast national American pot, er,  woodlands.

The prices I remember seeing on Hasegawa 1/72 kits in my area are in the $40.00 and up range for just a Heinkel 111..

OTOH, I do admit the latest Italieri prices are also really high.

Is it just that I've been away from the hobby for so long I didn't get used to price increases- just as a frog placed in cold water won't notice as the water is heated to boiling?

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, April 9, 2010 11:24 AM

I was just wondering about the whole exchange rate / tariff angle myself. I just picked up a 1/72 Hasegawa Mosquito at the LHS. (Hey, a gift certificate has to be used right!) It was $25 (?) and came with some extra decals that Dragon added.

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Friday, April 9, 2010 11:30 AM

Sprue-ce Goose

More questions:

If Hasegawa is setting MSRP- how closely does the marketplace follow that designated amount?

I've not really followed prices posted by various retailers.

I do know their kits are very, very expensive considering what is in the box.

Economic theory should dictate success or failure of Hasegawa's pricing- they are, afterall NOT government.

I don't buy much of Hasegawa's product because of their prices vs. what is in the box.

In theory, Hasegawa should lose sales as others stop buying. 

You forget that the market is always adding new customers. Just because the "old timers" stop purchasing doesn't mean sales come to a halt.  In marketing we always encourage our customers to cultivate a relationship with replacement customers, as the regulars eventually pass or move along.

In theory, Hasegawa will either lower prices, cease production or cease mainstream prioduction in favor of supplying a wealthy market niche.

You're thinking one dimensional. Hasegawa doesn't have to do anything as long as they continue to sell product. It may not sell well in one location but it does still sell elsewhere which in part drives the pricing.

Is my thinking correct or have I neglected something?

Are people voting with their wallets in favor of Hasegawa simply because no one else can compete?

 

 

Another factor in the pricing we pay is how the distribution rules are setup. Mfrs typically insist that their distributors purchase in full case lots. This makes order fulfillment simple. Now when the distributor implements the same policy to the retailer, things get more expensive. The retailer is now forced to order in lots of 6, 12, 24 or 36 (what ever come in a case) when they may only sell three a year. If the are required to order 12, that's way more than they need. So they essentially have dead inventory which they will probably have to take a loss on by reducing the selling price to move. Lower the margins and you lower the profits. Lower profits means less capital to infuse back into new inventory, payroll, facility and the owners pocket.

Mfr and Distributors do this to streamline operations and increase profits. Unfortunately it doesn't necessarily work the same way to the end user...you and me. If the retailer can't survive, they close. Hence the reason for every new hobby retailer opening, two close their doors. Things can not remain status quo if we expect the industry to survive.

Consumers at all levels of the chain need to adjust their business model to accommodate changes in the business climate. Consumers are keenly aware of the situation, though many don't know it. They wait to pounce on pricing deals instead of shopping during "normal" sale prices. We've become conditioned to only purchase sale items. This is part of the reason so many retailers fail, they operate under a false pricing structure.

In times past a hobby retailer could expect a margin of 30-40% on the goods they stocked and sold. Today as it is in many retail situations, if you hit anything above 20% you're doing well. In the retail hardware business, we typically found that one had to make on average at a minimum 28% margin to break even. The trick was finding the product mix that allowed us to maintain that average. Some items, usually expensive ones typically provided 5-15%, whereas some of the small cheap (junk!) netted 60% and turned multiple times. A "Turn" is when you sell and item and have to reorder to replace it. A product that turns 6 times is excellent. But on average we saw 4 or less for a majority of our inventory.

The longer an item sits on a shelf the more it costs the store. Real estate inside a store is valuable! Fill it with nothing that sells, your overhead remains the same, but your profitability goes down.


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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, April 9, 2010 11:34 AM

Hawkeye, you should be running a business class for modelers, in 1/48 scale of course!

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, April 9, 2010 11:50 AM

HawkeyeHobbies

 

 Sprue-ce Goose:

In theory, Hasegawa should lose sales as others stop buying. 

In theory, Hasegawa will either lower prices, cease production or cease mainstream prioduction in favor of supplying a wealthy market niche.

You're thinking one dimensional.

<< No I don't believe so.....your folllowing comment

" Hasegawa doesn't have to do anything as long as they continue to sell product. It may not sell well in one location but it does still sell elsewhere which in part drives the pricing."

just means that Hasegawa is still profiabale and has not lost market share. I'm fully aware of changeover in a customer base. People are voting with their wallets.>>>

 


Another factor in the pricing we pay is how the distribution rules are setup. Mfrs typically insist that their distributors purchase in full case lots. This makes order fulfillment simple. Now when the distributor implements the same policy to the retailer, things get more expensive. The retailer is now forced to order in lots of 6, 12, 24 or 36 (what ever come in a case) when they may only sell three a year. If the are required to order 12, that's way more than they need. So they essentially have dead inventory which they will probably have to take a loss on by reducing the selling price to move. Lower the margins and you lower the profits. Lower profits means less capital to infuse back into new inventory, payroll, facility and the owners pocket.

<<Yes, I know about that.; in the plastic model hobby, I see it most often in the LHS. I fully understand the economic reason underlining this. The economic model applies to all types of product..>>>

 

Mfr and Distributors do this to streamline operations and increase profits. Unfortunately it doesn't necessarily work the same way to the end user...you and me. If the retailer can't survive, they close. Hence the reason for every new hobby retailer opening, two close their doors. Things can not remain status quo if we expect the industry to survive.

Consumers at all levels of the chain need to adjust their business model to accommodate changes in the business climate. Consumers are keenly aware of the situation, though many don't know it. They wait to pounce on pricing deals instead of shopping during "normal" sale prices. We've become conditioned to only purchase sale items. This is part of the reason so many retailers fail, they operate under a false pricing structure.

In times past a hobby retailer could expect a margin of 30-40% on the goods they stocked and sold. Today as it is in many retail situations, if you hit anything above 20% you're doing well. In the retail hardware business, we typically found that one had to make on average at a minimum 28% margin to break even. The trick was finding the product mix that allowed us to maintain that average. Some items, usually expensive ones typically provided 5-15%, whereas some of the small cheap (junk!) netted 60% and turned multiple times.

<<<So how does a more expensive recently produced Trumpeter/Dragon/etc.. 1/32 kit fare vs., for example, a less expensive re-issue? >>

A "Turn" is when you sell and item and have to reorder to replace it. A product that turns 6 times is excellent. But on average we saw 4 or less for a majority of our inventory.

The longer an item sits on a shelf the more it costs the store. Real estate inside a store is valuable! Fill it with nothing that sells, your overhead remains the same, but your profitability goes down.

<<Something the consumer magazines comment on in the  auto market. Yes, I realize retailers borrow to acquire stock.>>

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, April 9, 2010 11:53 AM

VanceCrozier

Hawkeye, you should be running a business class for modelers, in 1/48 scale of course!

Do we get a diploma in 1/48th scale, too?

Manny is gonna have writer's cramp in 1/48th scale, too!

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, April 9, 2010 11:56 AM

BTW... Thank you Very Much, Hawkeye, for taking time out to explain the economics of the business.

greatly appreciate it !

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Friday, April 9, 2010 12:03 PM

It doesn't matter if it is old reissues or new, as long as consumers purchase them at the prices asked they will continue to remain at those levels or inch higher. At some point the consumers will say enough is enough and stop purchasing.

There is a bubble, when and IF it breaks is anyone's guess. If someone knows for sure, their counsel and advise will be worth millions.

I will say that there are realignments within this industry occurring right now. An ice age of sorts is setting in, which could possibly kill some of the dinosaurs in this industry. Whether they go extinct or not yet remains to be seen, but watch the trade news closely. It is an indication that business as usual has failed and new concepts and ideas must be implemented to meet the changing marketplace.

I keep asking myself why a pickup that cost me $13K in the early '80s now fetches $50K+ when it costs the mfr the same to produce today as it did back then. They managed to keep costs in check by using materials more effectively, streamlined processes and held per unit labor prices steady. Seems the executive salaries and bonuses justify the prices. Yet they continue to sell at ridiculously high prices!

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, April 9, 2010 12:08 PM

Speaking of bursting bubbles, I wonder how much "false purchases" will affect these companies in the future. I should explain! We all have a "stash" don't we? some disciplined folks have 3 or 4 models in reserve, I've heard about them! I went through my closet recently & realized that I have around 40 - -some have literally hundreds on unbuilt kits. We keep buying stuff that will not get built, or not built soon. SO companies are seeing these sales & planning around them. When Jimmy modeler passes on to that big sprue factory in the sky, the kits will be thrown out or dumped second hand. It just feels like the proverbial house of cards, potentially. Am I rambling? Confused

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, April 9, 2010 12:27 PM

VanceCrozier

Speaking of bursting bubbles, I wonder how much "false purchases" will affect these companies in the future. I should explain! We all have a "stash" don't we? some disciplined folks have 3 or 4 models in reserve, I've heard about them! I went through my closet recently & realized that I have around 40 - -some have literally hundreds on unbuilt kits. We keep buying stuff that will not get built, or not built soon. SO companies are seeing these sales & planning around them. When Jimmy modeler passes on to that big sprue factory in the sky, the kits will be thrown out or dumped second hand. It just feels like the proverbial house of cards, potentially. Am I rambling? Confused

I wouldn't expect an influence on demand so long as the stash is destroyed rather than re-sold.  I would presume new customer levels dropping below present levels would be a bigger influence.

BTW... speaking of kit production "lead time" :

Now that CAD/CAM is influencing kit design and production can help speed up design, does anyone know how long it now takes to bring a product to market?

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Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Friday, April 9, 2010 12:28 PM

No you have a disease...its called hoarding plastic...our meetings are held monthly.

 

Hi, my name is Gerald, I am a plastic hoarder. I've been good, I haven't purchased multiples of a kit since...Oops last week! Embarrassed

 

You think this hobby is expensive, when is the last time you walked down the aisle in sporting goods where they sell fishing lures. What I paid a buck and a half for as a kid now one can barely  be touched for a $20 bill!

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, April 9, 2010 12:32 PM

Monthly meetings?! Can i bring my 1/48 Storch with me?....

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, April 9, 2010 12:37 PM

VanceCrozier

Monthly meetings?! Can i bring my 1/48 Storch with me?....

Why do you have a figure of Larry Storch in 1/48th scale?

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Posted by VanceCrozier on Friday, April 9, 2010 12:59 PM

Doesn't everybody?

Did you miss the group build of F-Troop figures?

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