That is so sad. I knew Berny had it before and from all I heard is that he beat it. He's always been a top shelf member of this forum since the beginning. Sadly I will be unable to attend.

I will pray for him and his family. He will forever be an inspiration and courage.

I can't attend, also. Berny and I go way back on the forums, and if you could give him a big hug for me, I would certainly appreciate it!

tigerman

That is so sad. I knew Berny had it before and from all I heard is that he beat it. He's always been a top shelf member of this forum since the beginning. Sadly I will be unable to attend.

I will pray for him and his family. He will forever be an inspiration and courage.

Yes, from what I understand he had a lump on his neck that the doctor checked a year ago and said it was benign.  He went in a few weeks ago and they checked it again and it was "hot".

Thank you for your words, I am sure Berny appreciates them very much!  I will take pictures when we meet and will post them back here for those who cannot attend.  I am looking forward to this trip very much!

Ken

Bgrigg

I can't attend, also. Berny and I go way back on the forums, and if you could give him a big hug for me, I would certainly appreciate it!

Thank you for your reply.  I am sure it means a lot to Berny.  I will let him know.

Ken

Count me in.....

An honour never to be repeated.....

Bockscar

Count me in.....

An honour never to be repeated.....

Thanks Dom, truer words never spoken!

Thanks for the update.  Such sad news.  Prayers for Berny and his family.

He has been such a mainstay of this forum.  I always looked forward to reading his posts and the knowledge he shared with us all.

Mark

I can't think of anything to say that hasn't already been said.  We will keep Berny and his family in our thoughts and prayers.

Jim

Too far for me to drive but I'll be there in my prayers. Berny is a great guy who helped me out several times and best of luck to him.

 Bernie , he is always one of the members here that i respect .

He wont know who i am but i sure know of him .

Can you give us any update on the plans?

wayne baker

Can you give us any update on the plans?

Berny is recovering from an infection so we have to play it by ear.  He is hoping to be recovered enough to fly to Dayton Ohio on July 8th and I will be picking him up from the airport.  He has not made any reservations yet, so I don't have any times of when we are going to meet.  If he gets in late on Friday, July 8th, we will wait until Saturday, July 9th to meet.  He is at this point planning on staying until Monday, July 11th, so if all goes as plan, that will give us two days to tour the museum.  As soon as I hear more, I will post it immediately here.  Thank you and keep checking back. 

Ken

I am still trying to work out a way to stay for 2 days.  If I can't, we will probably be there on the 9th as the museum opens.

Son Of Medicine Man

 

wayne baker:

 

Can you give us any update on the plans?

 

 

Berny is recovering from an infection so we have to play it by ear.  He is hoping to be recovered enough to fly to Dayton Ohio on July 8th and I will be picking him up from the airport.  He has not made any reservations yet, so I don't have any times of when we are going to meet.  If he gets in late on Friday, July 8th, we will wait until Saturday, July 9th to meet.  He is at this point planning on staying until Monday, July 11th, so if all goes as plan, that will give us two days to tour the museum.  As soon as I hear more, I will post it immediately here.  Thank you and keep checking back. 

Ken

Bgrigg

I can't attend, also. Berny and I go way back on the forums, and if you could give him a big hug for me, I would certainly appreciate it!

I second that!

I remember when he had it before and I sent him a Badger 155 Anthem to help cheer him up.

We are all here for you Berny.

I think I can do this. I will bring my Dad, he has always wanted to go to Dayton and he's getting up there in years.

bondoman

I think I can do this. I will bring my Dad, he has always wanted to go to Dayton and he's getting up there in years.

I say do it if you can Bill. I wished I could have attended something like this with my dad before cancer took him almost 10 years ago.

Good news everyone! Berny has confirmed that he is going! He will be flying up to Dayton on July 8th. By the time we travel from the airport, get some lunch, and check into the hotel, it will be too late to visit the museum. So we will plan on meeting in the main building just inside the entrance at 9:00 AM on July 9th. Here is a link to the museum's website:

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/

Berny will be there both Saturday and Sunday. We will plan on meeting again on Sunday at the same spot and time. If you have never been to the National Museum of the USAF, it is huge. We will probably make our first stop at the F-4C which is in the Southeast Asia War exhibit in the second building. (You get there by going through the first main building.) If you visit the website, you can take a virtual tour to get acquainted with the layout.

This is going to be a great time!  If you are planning on meeting us there, please send a message to Rich:

/members/Sparrowhyperion/default.aspx

He is keeping a roster.  If you have any questions, please let me know.

 Ken

Man I wish I could go, but my brother in law is getting married on the 9th, and I'm off to NYC on the 17th.

Ken, I don't know you, but what you've done here is fabulous. Please do give Berny a hug for me.

Bondo, if you're going, give Berny another hug, hey?

Alas, I cannot. My father is having eye surgery the following week, so he's out of the picture, and wants to go with me. I'll have to pass, but send my regards and hope things are better for Berny than they sound.

I am packing up my goody bag today with AM parts I will no longer use.  I will be giving them to anyone that needs them on a first come first serve.  I have some parts no longer in production and should be usefull to someone building that kit.

berny13

I am packing up my goody bag today with AM parts I will no longer use.  I will be giving them to anyone that needs them on a first come first serve.  I have some parts no longer in production and should be usefull to someone building that kit.

Hi Berny,

Very cool, I can't wait to see what you got.

Ken

Lol.  Just remember to save some for the rest of us who can't get there til Saturday. lol

Son Of Medicine Man

 

berny13:

 

I am packing up my goody bag today with AM parts I will no longer use.  I will be giving them to anyone that needs them on a first come first serve.  I have some parts no longer in production and should be usefull to someone building that kit.

 

 

Hi Berny,

Very cool, I can't wait to see what you got.

Ken

Sparrowhyperion

Lol.  Just remember to save some for the rest of us who can't get there til Saturday. lol

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

berny13:

 

I am packing up my goody bag today with AM parts I will no longer use.  I will be giving them to anyone that needs them on a first come first serve.  I have some parts no longer in production and should be usefull to someone building that kit.

 

 

Hi Berny,

Very cool, I can't wait to see what you got.

Ken

 

No problem Rich.  I think it would be only fair to wait until Saturday and then we could decide amongst all of us.  No need to worry my friend!

Ken

And I almost forgot to mention, I will be bringing a CD with pictures that my Dad took while he was in Vietnam.  This was between August to December of 1964.  None of the aircraft was painted in camouflage yet.  I am quite sure most people will find the pictures very interesting.  I will bring a CD for everyone who is there.  I only ask that no one share these without asking me first.  And that is only so that my Dad can be credited for taking the pictures.  I plan to build each of the aircraft that are in the photos, just as they looked at the time.

Ken

Son Of Medicine Man

And I almost forgot to mention, I will be bringing a CD with pictures that my Dad took while he was in Vietnam.  This was between August to December of 1964.  None of the aircraft was painted in camouflage yet.  I am quite sure most people will find the pictures very interesting.  I will bring a CD for everyone who is there.  I only ask that no one share these without asking me first.  And that is only so that my Dad can be credited for taking the pictures.  I plan to build each of the aircraft that are in the photos, just as they looked at the time.

Ken

I hear that J79s are also great BBQ grills.  You just have to cook your burgers from about 4 houses down the block and use a very long set of skewers..

Bockscar

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

And I almost forgot to mention, I will be bringing a CD with pictures that my Dad took while he was in Vietnam.  This was between August to December of 1964.  None of the aircraft was painted in camouflage yet.  I am quite sure most people will find the pictures very interesting.  I will bring a CD for everyone who is there.  I only ask that no one share these without asking me first.  And that is only so that my Dad can be credited for taking the pictures.  I plan to build each of the aircraft that are in the photos, just as they looked at the time.

Ken

 

If I had my druthers, I'ld like a tiny wrench or screw driver, even an old pencil or pen, or even a beat up paint brush as a souvenir....any old junked tool of the trade....as long as it was well worn and used and otherwise of 0 monetary value....lol....no obligations expected...wouldn't mind a J-79 in the backyard either, keep us warm on those cool fall nights.....

 

Sparrowhyperion

I hear that J79s are also great BBQ grills.  You just have to cook your burgers from about 4 houses down the block and use a very long set of skewers..

 

 

Bockscar:

 

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

And I almost forgot to mention, I will be bringing a CD with pictures that my Dad took while he was in Vietnam.  This was between August to December of 1964.  None of the aircraft was painted in camouflage yet.  I am quite sure most people will find the pictures very interesting.  I will bring a CD for everyone who is there.  I only ask that no one share these without asking me first.  And that is only so that my Dad can be credited for taking the pictures.  I plan to build each of the aircraft that are in the photos, just as they looked at the time.

Ken

 

If I had my druthers, I'ld like a tiny wrench or screw driver, even an old pencil or pen, or even a beat up paint brush as a souvenir....any old junked tool of the trade....as long as it was well worn and used and otherwise of 0 monetary value....lol....no obligations expected...wouldn't mind a J-79 in the backyard either, keep us warm on those cool fall nights.....

 

 

 

Bockscar

Sparrowhyperion:

I hear that J79s are also great BBQ grills.  You just have to cook your burgers from about 4 houses down the block and use a very long set of skewers..

 

 

Bockscar:

 

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

And I almost forgot to mention, I will be bringing a CD with pictures that my Dad took while he was in Vietnam.  This was between August to December of 1964.  None of the aircraft was painted in camouflage yet.  I am quite sure most people will find the pictures very interesting.  I will bring a CD for everyone who is there.  I only ask that no one share these without asking me first.  And that is only so that my Dad can be credited for taking the pictures.  I plan to build each of the aircraft that are in the photos, just as they looked at the time.

Ken

 

If I had my druthers, I'ld like a tiny wrench or screw driver, even an old pencil or pen, or even a beat up paint brush as a souvenir....any old junked tool of the trade....as long as it was well worn and used and otherwise of 0 monetary value....lol....no obligations expected...wouldn't mind a J-79 in the backyard either, keep us warm on those cool fall nights.....

 

 

 

 

LMAO.....a little JP Sauce.....mmmmmm.......

Ah, the smell of JP-4 exhaust in the morning.  Nothing like it.

I have the goody bag all packed.  I may need a bigger suitcase to carry it. 

Ken, I have the AN/ALQ-101 ECM pod packed up too.  I also threw in a AN/ALQ-87, AN/ALQ-119, AN/ALQ-131 and a missile well strike camera as well. 

berny13

Bockscar:

Sparrowhyperion:

I hear that J79s are also great BBQ grills.  You just have to cook your burgers from about 4 houses down the block and use a very long set of skewers..

 

 

Bockscar:

 

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

And I almost forgot to mention, I will be bringing a CD with pictures that my Dad took while he was in Vietnam.  This was between August to December of 1964.  None of the aircraft was painted in camouflage yet.  I am quite sure most people will find the pictures very interesting.  I will bring a CD for everyone who is there.  I only ask that no one share these without asking me first.  And that is only so that my Dad can be credited for taking the pictures.  I plan to build each of the aircraft that are in the photos, just as they looked at the time.

Ken

 

If I had my druthers, I'ld like a tiny wrench or screw driver, even an old pencil or pen, or even a beat up paint brush as a souvenir....any old junked tool of the trade....as long as it was well worn and used and otherwise of 0 monetary value....lol....no obligations expected...wouldn't mind a J-79 in the backyard either, keep us warm on those cool fall nights.....

 

 

 

 

LMAO.....a little JP Sauce.....mmmmmm.......

 

Ah, the smell of JP-4 exhaust in the morning.  Nothing like it.

I have the goody bag all packed.  I may need a bigger suitcase to carry it. 

Ken, I have the AN/ALQ-101 ECM pod packed up too.  I also threw in a AN/ALQ-87, AN/ALQ-119, AN/ALQ-131 and a missile well strike camera as well. 

Wow Berny!  Very cool!

Another thing about this trip that I am looking forward to is maybe catching a C-5 Galaxy circling, landing, or taking off!  When I lived at Dover AFB, it was a common sight.  Funny how you take some things for granted.

Ken

Greetings everyone,

Well, I finally got home and unloaded the truck and unpacked my suitcase from our trip to the museum with Berny. We had a wonderful time. For those of you who were not there, you missed a really fun, informative, great time. I am going to share some of the pictures.

This one is where we surprised Berny by having the museum reserve his very own parking place:

Berny was also given access to walk behind the barriers to get up close and personel with the RF-4C at the museum. Here is a picture with him posing next to it:

Then Berny had a seat in the F-4 cockpit that the museum has set up. Here is a picture of him investigating flight readiness:

Now this next picture would be a Mig's worst nightmare to see on it's six:

Thanks Dom for that shot!

I will post more pictures later.

Ken

The Phab Phour.

Left to right

Ken (Son Of Medicine Man), Dom (Bockscar), Berny, Rich (Sparrowhyperion). 

You should have seen the look on their faces when I dumped my goody bag of AM parts on the bed.  It was like three kids in a candy store when told to get what they want at no cost.  I just dumped the contents and got out of the way.  

berny13

You should have seen the look on their faces when I dumped my goody bag of AM parts on the bed.  It was like three kids in a candy store when told to get what they want at no cost.  I just dumped the contents and got out of the way.  

Many thanks for the AM kits Berny!

I woulda' got more stuff, but Ken dropped his gloves and tried a jersey pull, I gave him an old Hulk Hogan drop kick and got the stuff I wanted back! While we were mixing it up, Rich grabbed a huge pile of stuff and made a run for it. We cut him off at the pass, me jumping over the balcony, shortest trip down three floors I ever made, before he could get to his horse...err...car!!! Phew! We team tagged him and got the stash back!

Actually, Ken was so gracious, he only wanted a few T-33 kits, I had to force him to take an AM kit for a Tamiya 1/32 F-4...lol....

Again Berny, many thanks for the stuff, it will be put to good use, and your advice will be followed.

Eegads!  I really need to lose some weight...!

berny13

The Phab Phour.

Left to right

Ken (Son Of Medicine Man), Dom (Bockscar), Berny, Rich (Sparrowhyperion). 

 

I just circled and studied the prey while the other sharks started the feeding frenzy, then swooped in and snagged a couple of items. lol  Now I have an excuse to pick up a couple of new kits.  On a bad note though, I got sniped again while trying to get a 1/32 Phantom on eBay... :(  I didn't find out until I got home.  I lost it by 50 cents.  Oh well...  Thanks for all the AM stuff Berny!

berny13

You should have seen the look on their faces when I dumped my goody bag of AM parts on the bed.  It was like three kids in a candy store when told to get what they want at no cost.  I just dumped the contents and got out of the way.  

berny13

You should have seen the look on their faces when I dumped my goody bag of AM parts on the bed.  It was like three kids in a candy store when told to get what they want at no cost.  I just dumped the contents and got out of the way.  

Yes, it was just like Christmas!  Thank you again for giving those AM parts to us.  I am bringing mine to our monthly IPMS meeting for show and tell!

Ken

Bockscar

berny13:

You should have seen the look on their faces when I dumped my goody bag of AM parts on the bed.  It was like three kids in a candy store when told to get what they want at no cost.  I just dumped the contents and got out of the way.  

 

Many thanks for the AM kits Berny!

I woulda' got more stuff, but Ken dropped his gloves and tried a jersey pull, I gave him an old Hulk Hogan drop kick and got the stuff I wanted back! While we were mixing it up, Rich grabbed a huge pile of stuff and made a run for it. We cut him off at the pass, me jumping over the balcony, shortest trip down three floors I ever made, before he could get to his horse...err...car!!! Phew! We team tagged him and got the stash back!

Actually, Ken was so gracious, he only wanted a few T-33 kits, I had to force him to take an AM kit for a Tamiya 1/32 F-4...lol....

Again Berny, many thanks for the stuff, it will be put to good use, and your advice will be followed.

Dom, you still crack me up! 

Hello Everyone,

As promised, here are a few more pictures.  In this one you can see Rich in front with Berny behind him and to the right of Berny is Dom.  They are checking out the F-105D.  If you look farther in the background you can see Deb sitting and part of Merissa.

In this next shot you can see Berny laughing (probably at one of Dom's jokes) standing next to an F-4C.

In this next picture you can see Berny (sitting in the chair) with Dom standing beside him checking out the F-105G.  Also you can see Merissa talking to her dad Rich.

The following picture has Dom checking out the display case and Berny is reading one of the displays.  Notice the B-52D looming over their heads!  (One of Dom's favorite aircraft by the way.)

I am including the next picture because Berny mentioned how much he really likes the F-84E (after the Phantom II of course!)

Here is a good shot of Berny with the B-52D in the background.

In the picture Rich is checking out one of his favorite aircraft, the B-58.

This next photo is a shot of Berny getting ready to pop a wheelie!

There is more to come, so stay tuned!

Ken

Ken.  Could you do me a big favor and zip me up a copy of those images.  I am having trouble getting them to DL properly.

One of the highlights of the trip was our luncheons at the Officers' Club at the  Wright Patterson AFB.  It's something I would never had been able to do without being in the company of a retired but still card-carrying member of the USAF. Berny was able to use his ID to vouch for Ken and me, and I have to tell you, it was great to see life from the inside perspective. I was very impressed to see how the guards changed their demeanor after they had a look at Berny, and Berny's ID.

The OC is right beside a set of runways and its polished wood grandeur is from a different time. Even though it was just for lunch, I couldn't help but feel the sense of history as we passed through the OC's corridors. We went to the Wings lounge on Saturday, and the dining room for a buffet on Sunday after Ken realized the menu was all inclusive. The meals were excellent, and I was simply not conditioned to expect the buffet to be all you can eat, drinks included. That would be because as a Canadian, I've never had a drink in a restaurant I wasn't tagged for, eh?

When I finally got around to actually ordering my drink, the waitress asked me "Would you like that extra strong?" -definitely not the kind of service I'm accustomed to. I did manage to walk out all on my own, however.

Great shots of you in th cokpit Berny. It looks like a great time by all.

Bockscar

berny13:

You should have seen the look on their faces when I dumped my goody bag of AM parts on the bed.  It was like three kids in a candy store when told to get what they want at no cost.  I just dumped the contents and got out of the way.  

 

Many thanks for the AM kits Berny!

I woulda' got more stuff, but Ken dropped his gloves and tried a jersey pull, I gave him an old Hulk Hogan drop kick and got the stuff I wanted back! While we were mixing it up, Rich grabbed a huge pile of stuff and made a run for it. We cut him off at the pass, me jumping over the balcony, shortest trip down three floors I ever made, before he could get to his horse...err...car!!! Phew! We team tagged him and got the stash back!

Actually, Ken was so gracious, he only wanted a few T-33 kits, I had to force him to take an AM kit for a Tamiya 1/32 F-4...lol....

Again Berny, many thanks for the stuff, it will be put to good use, and your advice will be followed.

Tell the truth Dom.  I know you were taking things of of the stack that Rich and Ken had and hiding them under the bed.  Why do you think I hid my helmet bag, the way you were looking at it.    

tigerman

Great shots of you in th cokpit Berny. It looks like a great time by all.

It was listed as a F-4D cockpit.  After getting into the front seat and looking around I realized it wasn't a F-4D cockpit but a F-4B ccokpit.  There were too many differences including the throttles, control panels and gun site combining glass.  When I looked into the rear cockpit it was definately a B model.

Then I read the info on it and it was printed that a F-4B cockpit was built to simulate a F-4D cockpit for the TV series "Call To Glory". 

LMAO.. The 69-260 is almost done.. yeah!  Then I get back to my FGR.2 and maybe do a non Phantom kit in between to get my brain working again. lol

berny13

 

 

 

Tell the truth Dom.  I know you were taking things of of the stack that Rich and Ken had and hiding them under the bed.  Why do you think I hid my helmet bag, the way you were looking at it.    

berny13

 

Bockscar:

 

 

berny13:

You should have seen the look on their faces when I dumped my goody bag of AM parts on the bed.  It was like three kids in a candy store when told to get what they want at no cost.  I just dumped the contents and got out of the way.  

 

 

Many thanks for the AM kits Berny!

I woulda' got more stuff, but Ken dropped his gloves and tried a jersey pull, I gave him an old Hulk Hogan drop kick and got the stuff I wanted back! While we were mixing it up, Rich grabbed a huge pile of stuff and made a run for it. We cut him off at the pass, me jumping over the balcony, shortest trip down three floors I ever made, before he could get to his horse...err...car!!! Phew! We team tagged him and got the stash back!

Actually, Ken was so gracious, he only wanted a few T-33 kits, I had to force him to take an AM kit for a Tamiya 1/32 F-4...lol....

Again Berny, many thanks for the stuff, it will be put to good use, and your advice will be followed.

 

 

Tell the truth Dom.  I know you were taking things of of the stack that Rich and Ken had and hiding them under the bed.  Why do you think I hid my helmet bag, the way you were looking at it.    

Ugg.  We just got some bad news.  Apparently our landlords (trailer park owners) have decided they are going to make some changes.  First off, rent increase, secondly they are going to force out all of the older Mobile homes in the park.  Since ours is a 1978 and not in that great a shape, we now have 30 days to get the problem with our credit rating fixed, get a loan, and find and close on a new place.  I really hate those greedy SOBs.  If I am not on as much, you'll know why.  This is going to take a lot of work to accomplish.  At least a couple of places we had looked at before are still on the market.  I hope the landlord gets the creeping crud or something.  8 years here and without missing or being late on rent even once.

Rich

Sparrowhyperion

Ugg.  We just got some bad news.  Apparently our landlords (trailer park owners) have decided they are going to make some changes.  First off, rent increase, secondly they are going to force out all of the older Mobile homes in the park.  Since ours is a 1978 and not in that great a shape, we now have 30 days to get the problem with our credit rating fixed, get a loan, and find and close on a new place.  I really hate those greedy SOBs.  If I am not on as much, you'll know why.  This is going to take a lot of work to accomplish.  At least a couple of places we had looked at before are still on the market.  I hope the landlord gets the creeping crud or something.  8 years here and without missing or being late on rent even once.

Rich

Yeah, I saw some places for sale near Wright Patterson!

Umm, maybe a B&B!...lol....

I'm not sure what to do at this point.  The credit reporting agency is dragging their feet on fixing the problem.  Now they are telling us 60-90 days to clean it off.  These guys seem to enjoy messing with people's lives.  We have a few places on a short list from before that are still here.  Deb is going to try and ask her Grandmother to co-sign so the problem is not an issue.  She helped us out once before about 10 years ago, when our old car died and we had to get one.  We paid it off early so it helped her rating.  We'll see what we can do.

Bockscar

 

Sparrowhyperion:

 

Ugg.  We just got some bad news.  Apparently our landlords (trailer park owners) have decided they are going to make some changes.  First off, rent increase, secondly they are going to force out all of the older Mobile homes in the park.  Since ours is a 1978 and not in that great a shape, we now have 30 days to get the problem with our credit rating fixed, get a loan, and find and close on a new place.  I really hate those greedy SOBs.  If I am not on as much, you'll know why.  This is going to take a lot of work to accomplish.  At least a couple of places we had looked at before are still on the market.  I hope the landlord gets the creeping crud or something.  8 years here and without missing or being late on rent even once.

Rich

 

That's not the best news Rich, your landlords probably do have the cc's already. Hey, since you're moving anyways, why not get a place in Dayton Rich!

 

Yeah, I saw some places for sale near Wright Patterson!

Umm, maybe a B&B!...lol....

We'll say a prayer for you Rich, you deserve a break!

Thanks man.

Bockscar

We'll say a prayer for you Rich, you deserve a break!

One of Berny's favourites:

Here's a shot of Berny with an old friend:

Bockscar

Here's a shot of Berny with an old friend:

That is a great shot Dom! 

Ken

Yeah Ken, I got about 5 good shots outa the whole shebang!

Bockscar

Yeah Ken, I got about 5 good shots outa the whole shebang!

How do you expect to get any good pictures after taking my mug shot?  The only reason Ken was able to take good pictures was he had an Anti Ugly Filter on his camera.    

berny13

 

Bockscar:

 

Yeah Ken, I got about 5 good shots outa the whole shebang!

 

 

How do you expect to get any good pictures after taking my mug shot?  The only reason Ken was able to take good pictures was he had an Anti Ugly Filter on his camera.    

I think the reason so many of my other shots didn't come out was the Koda Chrome, I don't think it was sitting right in my camera....

Hey guys,

Berny gave Ken and me an update, and his cancer has spread to the lower lobe of his left lung. He's getting about mostly on his scooter, and last I chatted with him, he's very stoic, and more concerned about the plight of others in this ordeal than himself. His wife isn't handling this too well, it is hard to live through this with a loved one, whom won't. Berny is very matter-of-fact about his condition - a brave man without a hint of self-pity, I really admire that.

It is that 'live for others' attitude that always drives him on, and he continues to inspire me with that strength of character.

Berny intends to be around at least until Christmas, so he's fighting for that. I definitely want to wish him a Merry Christmas on that special day.

Yeah, Berny wants to see all of neat kits Santa has brought him under the Tree....greedy bastige!

Thanks for the update!

He remains in our prayers.

I kind of wondered how he was doing.

Hang in there Berny MY thoughts and prayers are for you always .

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Hello friends,

Berny’s family just called and said that Berny’s health is deteriorating at an accelerated rate.  He may pass as early as this evening or could last until this weekend.  I am afraid he may not ever have the strength to log into this forum again.  Having personally met Berny, all I can say is that a wonderful compassionate person is about to leave us.  I will miss him a great deal.

Ken

Thoughts and prayers to Berny and his family.

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Berny was the inspiration for some of the most selfless acts this forum ever managed. Some of you may remember the story, some may not. I'll not tell it here. Most of the participants are long gone from the forum. I spoke with him on many occasions and would like to have met him, but time and distance plays tricks. I wish him eternal blue skies.

Son Of Medicine Man

Hello friends,

Berny’s family just called and said that Berny’s health is deteriorating at an accelerated rate.  He may pass as early as this evening or could last until this weekend.  I am afraid he may not ever have the strength to log into this forum again.  Having personally met Berny, all I can say is that a wonderful compassionate person is about to leave us.  I will miss him a great deal.

Ken

Very sorry to hear this...............

Bgrigg

Berny was the inspiration for some of the most selfless acts this forum ever managed. Some of you may remember the story, some may not. I'll not tell it here. Most of the participants are long gone from the forum. I spoke with him on many occasions and would like to have met him, but time and distance plays tricks. I wish him eternal blue skies.

Bill,

I would like very much to hear the story.

Ken

Son Of Medicine Man

 

Bgrigg:

 

Berny was the inspiration for some of the most selfless acts this forum ever managed. Some of you may remember the story, some may not. I'll not tell it here. Most of the participants are long gone from the forum. I spoke with him on many occasions and would like to have met him, but time and distance plays tricks. I wish him eternal blue skies.

 

 

Bill,

I would like very much to hear the story.

Ken

Those of us whom met him later on knew he was that kind of person, I like to hear his story as well....many thanks

I just realized (I know a lot of you already knew this) but, if you click on a person's "posts" number, it will bring up a page that lists every post that person has placed.  It will go all the way to the very first.  It lists them in reverse chronological order.  I have started reading Berny's posts from the beginning.  It is just like reading a diary!

Ken

Thanks for the tip.

This is very sad news. Please share your story here with us Bill.

We will continue to keep Berny and his family in our thoughts and prayers.

Jim

Bockscar and Jester, I gave the story to Ken and told him he could share it around privately. I do not wish the story to become public for reasons that he may also share. Though if you follow Ken's advice below, you will learn the story, eventually. Pay attention to November 05/January 06. I can't remember the exact date.

Son Of Medicine Man

I just realized (I know a lot of you already knew this) but, if you click on a person's "posts" number, it will bring up a page that lists every post that person has placed.  It will go all the way to the very first.  It lists them in reverse chronological order.  I have started reading Berny's posts from the beginning.  It is just like reading a diary!

Ken

Oh this is just wrong. Good people like Berny just shouldn't go so early. He will live on as an inspiration to me and hopefully others. 

Very sad news; I had wondered why I hadn't seen Berny around much. I never interacted with him personally, but I enjoyed reading his informative posts. Having just read about his trip to Dayton with Ken, Dom, and Rich I can't help but share the feeling that it was a wonderful time indeed.

My thoughts and prayers to him and his family; blue skies always for you sir.

I have been lurking in the Phantom GB and have learned a lot from Berny for my own build there. He has really added a huge amount to the group in the way of help and fun. My prayers are with him, his family and friends.

tigerman

Oh this is just wrong. Good people like Berny just shouldn't go so early. He will live on as an inspiration to me and hopefully others. 

He'll be here for a long time, and hopefully in Florida for a while too.

I know that Berny had a bunch of flight hours as well as being a tool spinner. He had a model of a TF-102 started that I very much would have liked to see completed, and a couple of good stories about adventures over the North Sea in it.

The first time we ever traded posts,there was some question abt. F-4s in the Navy. A bunch were spinning their wheels a little, but I posted as how there was Berny who would know, but he was Marines.

First I got worked over hard by a supposedly ex-Marine about the use of "but". Then Berny came in with, "No, I was Air Farce Force". Ultimate gentleman and humble. It's the best human quality, and seldom encountered.

That's Berny. Any weapon pod question, any slat mod, if he knew he'd supply the info. And he knows a lot.

We all should gather our thoughts and share as we see to.

Bill

BTW I cannot get earlier posts of his than 2009. Whydat?

bondoman

BTW I cannot get earlier posts of his than 2009. Whydat?

Bondoman,

I am not sure why.  Have you paid for the subscription to FineScale Modeler?

Ken

Hi Everyone,

Thank you to the powers that be for setting this thread back on line.  I am sure I am not alone in when I say thank you.

I talked with Berny's wife this evening.  He is still alive, but has gotten worse.  She said that when he does talk, it is hard to understand him.  He also cannot open his eyes.  He only knows when she is there when she touches him.  She thinks that he is holding on for his son, who is supposed to arrive tomorrow.  I truly believe this, for Berny is a fighter.

Ken

Thank you Aaron and FSM associates for restoring this thread,

Regards

Dominic

Yes, this is very nice to bring this thread back for us. Berny affected each of us more than most may even realize!

Son Of Medicine Man

Hi Everyone,

Thank you to the powers that be for setting this thread back on line.  I am sure I am not alone in when I say thank you.

Hello everyone,

I spoke with a close friend of Berny and got the latest status.  His status hasn't changed since yesterday.  Everyone still believes he is waiting for his son to arrive.  His son is expected to get there around 9:30 PM central daylight savings time this evening.

Ken

What a fighter. He's an inspiration to all here. 

Thank you for keeping us posted. 

Our prayers go out to Berny and his family this morning....it's 4 am here and I have not been able to sleep all night since reading this last night.  We just lost a family member and a family friend on the same day this past week to cancer......frankly, I dont know about you guys but I am getting sick of hearing about good people having to fight this disease.  I've been healthy for some time now from my cancer.  Berny, whatever it is youre fighting for, I know you will make it to that moment.  Praying for peace and comfort for you and your family.  God Bless....man, I really wish I had seen this thread earlier, I was available to go to Dayton at that time and would have gladly made the trip. 

Keeping Berny and his family in our thoughts and prayers.

Mark

Greetings friends,

I spoke with a close friend of Berny a little while ago.  Berny’s son arrived last night and has been spending a lot of time with him.  Berny’s heart is getting weaker and his breathing is getting slower.  He is still aware enough to understand what is going on although he is unable to communicate through speech.  I asked Berny’s friend to tell Berny that we are all thinking about him and miss him a great deal.

Ken

As sad as the news is about Berny, it's good to hear that he has been able to hold on and has been able to spend some time with his son.

Phil_H

As sad as the news is about Berny, it's good to hear that he has been able to hold on and has been able to spend some time with his son.

Berny is a fighter.  I could tell that when I met him.  It's good he and his Son have some time.

tigerman

 

Phil_H:

 

As sad as the news is about Berny, it's good to hear that he has been able to hold on and has been able to spend some time with his son.

 

 

I've been nervous each time I click this thread

but, this is some good news,,,,of sorts

I am very glad his son got there in time, and that they have some time together

I know how important it is to have family around during this time, we got Anne down to Jax to see her brother with only hours to spare

Rex

Nothing else matters at this time other than having family close.

We were so concerned his son wasn't going to get there in time.

Thank God for small mercies.

Greetings everyone,

I talked to Berny’s friend again tonight.  His name is Richard.  Richard said that the hospice nurse came by again today.  According to the nurse, Berny’s heart is weaker than it was yesterday and his breathing is getting shorter.  The nurse said that he will probably expire tonight.  Richard told Berny that everyone here was sending their condolences and Berny managed to signal his acknowledgement by moving his hand a little.  That is about all he can do now.  The nurse said that he is able to understand when someone is talking to him.  They are keeping him as comfortable as can be done.

I hope his dreams are of the good times he has had in his life.

Ken

Greetings everyone,

The inevitable has happened.  Berny passed away peacefully early this morning just before sunrise.

This is indeed a very sad day for us all.  Berny was a wonderful person, always willing to help out in any way he could.  He would gladly answer any questions that he knew the answer to and would even ship anything that he had possession of to anyone who needed it.  He was a straight shooter and told you like it was.  And he was a big believer in having fun with this hobby.

We will all miss him a great deal.

Ken

Berny, Rest In Peace

Blue skies, my friend.

I hope Berny's last hours were spent dreaming of flying. He was so heart broken when he lost his pilot license when first diagnosed with cancer. When he beat that particular cancer back, and was given the medical clearance to reapply for his license, he worked ferociously hard to get back his wings. And he did.

I'm not a religious man, but I think Berny should get a new set of wings, now.

And with that, a page has turned.

Rest in Peace my friend.

We are all poorer for your loss, but you are no longer suffering and we can find some comfort in that.

Indeed a sorrowful day -- Rest in peace

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Sad news. I hope he is with his Creator at this very moment.

Berny not only gave us his protection in his service to our country, but he gave us his friendship as well. He is a great loss to us all.

Blue skies to you Berny, and thank you sir.

Hello everyone,

Dom has a very good suggestion.  We should send flowers to Berny's family.  Anyone who is interested and would like to donate, please send me a private message.  We can use PayPal to transfer the money.

Ken

Berny was the kind of guy that you respected and like just about instantly.  The World will be greatly diminished by his passing.  He truly left this world a better place than before he arrived in it.  Our Family wished him our best in the next life.  We should all take comfort in the fact that he is now without pain or infirmity.  He is will greatly missed.

Rich

Son Of Medicine Man

Hello everyone,

Dom has a very good suggestion.  We should send flowers to Berny's family.  Anyone who is interested and would like to donate, please send me a private message.  We can use PayPal to transfer the money.

Ken

Ken, PM sent.

Truly sorry I missed him in Dayton.  I  hope his family can find comfort in the respect everyone had for him.

May Berny RIP. He suffers no more.

Berny's obituary notice may be viewed here: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/newsherald/obituary.aspx?n=bill-c-bernhardt&pid=153836745&fhid=7495

Greetings,

I wish to give a big thank you to the following persons for contributing money for Berny's flowers:

Rich (aka Sparrowhyperion)

Dom (aka Bockscar)

Bill (aka Bgrigg)

Omar (aka oortiz10)

Jim (aka fox)

Also I wanted to give praise to Rich and Dom for working together an coming up with the t-shirt.  For those of you who did not see it, here is a picture:

Berny liked this shirt so much that his wife is going to have it buried with him.  It is really great that you two did this for him.

Berny's viewing is this evening and he will have a full military funeral tomorrow.

Ken

Son Of Medicine Man

Greetings,

I wish to give a big thank you to the following persons for contributing money for Berny's flowers:

Rich (aka Sparrowhyperion)

Dom (aka Bockscar)

Bill (aka Bgrigg)

Omar (aka oortiz10)

Jim (aka fox)

Also I wanted to give praise to Rich and Dom for working together an coming up with the t-shirt.  For those of you who did not see it, here is a picture:

 

 

Berny liked this shirt so much that his wife is going to have it buried with him.  It is really great that you two did this for him.

Berny's viewing is this evening and he will have a full military funeral tomorrow.

Ken

You can speak for me on this Dom.  I too, feel deeply honored.  Does anyone know if Berny had a chance to complete the last bit of assembly on the 69-260.  I'm just wondering if he did.

Rich

Bockscar

 

Son Of Medicine Man:

 

Greetings,

I wish to give a big thank you to the following persons for contributing money for Berny's flowers:

Rich (aka Sparrowhyperion)

Dom (aka Bockscar)

Bill (aka Bgrigg)

Omar (aka oortiz10)

Jim (aka fox)

Also I wanted to give praise to Rich and Dom for working together an coming up with the t-shirt.  For those of you who did not see it, here is a picture:

 

 

Berny liked this shirt so much that his wife is going to have it buried with him.  It is really great that you two did this for him.

Berny's viewing is this evening and he will have a full military funeral tomorrow.

Ken

 

I can't speak for Rich, but I know he will be honored at the thought. Actually a little bit in shock (in a good way) Berny's T will be spending eternity with him......

 

Hi Rich,

Berny didn't mention it.  It is possible he may have started.  I don't think his health was good enough to do much of anything.

Ken

Thanks for the link to the obit Phil.

...I didnt check into this thread last couple of days...I just read about Berny's passing....My condolences to his family... and may he rest in peace...I am glad to hear he was able to have his son at his side. Our loss is heaven's gain....

My prayers to him and his family.

Carlos

Just saw this... sorry to hear about Bernie's passing. I had the pleasure of exchanging messages with him a time or two and always enjoyed hearing from him. He'll certainly be missed.

he was one of my favorites out here   i pray for his family

Bill told me about the thousands and thousands of spot welds needed to put the original turkey-feathers together.

I gotta tel yah, Matt- Neffer, Boy-Spot-Welder, worked a full day-shift making that lot!

Bill's immediate concern at Dayton was: are those actuators secured? Is that outlet panel gonna' fall and split a guy's head open? Oh yeah.....the arresting hook.....Billl wouldn't even go close......didn't want to become a statistic....

What struck me, and it went over the heads of the supervisory staff: were these aircraft safe to view to the public?

he would have said NO....USAF go ahead an' sue me.

He wanted photos of every 'actuator' in every bay.

Well, he arrives at work, he doesn't want one of those suckers taking out his help.........

That's who he was...blown up once, shot twice, because he wanted to protect America.

That was Bill, William Bernhardt, and to us just 'Berny', GRHS!

Bockscar

That's who he was...blown up once, shot twice, because he wanted to protect America.

That was Bill, William Bernhardt, and to us just 'Berny', GRHS!

Hammer,s pic say,s it all !!

Sigh, I don't check these forums that often unless it comes up on the recently posted to list so I missed Berny's passing. He was and his family now are in my prayers.

The world is a better place thanks to good people like him.

Hans von Hammer

But Sparrrowhyperion is already working on that......

HVH thanks for the sentiment......I know it meant a lot........

bondoman

 

Bockscar:

 

That's who he was...blown up once, shot twice, because he wanted to protect America.

That was Bill, William Bernhardt, and to us just 'Berny', GRHS!

 

I am sorry I missed the trip. I told Dad about bernys passing and he thinks we'll go out next year when his eyes are healed.

 

bondoman

 

Bockscar:

 

That's who he was...blown up once, shot twice, because he wanted to protect America.

That was Bill, William Bernhardt, and to us just 'Berny', GRHS!

 

I am sorry I missed the trip. I told Dad about bernys passing and he thinks we'll go out next year when his eyes are healed.

 

Bockscar

Hans von Hammer:

 

HVH thanks for the sentiment......I know it meant a lot........

Hope his family got one for real, or at least a fly-over... The "Missing Man" is usually reserved for the funerals of flag-officers and/or pilots, but Berny's an exception, IMNSHO...    Retired SNCO to SNCO, and even though I only "knew" him here, he will be missed...

maybe a dumb idea but  how about a ' Berny memorial  group build  '        it would be nothing but phantoms of any scale or marking

DURR

maybe a dumb idea but  how about a ' Berny memorial  group build  '        it would be nothing but phantoms of any scale or marking

There is a group of us that are already planning one.  We will be starting it on Berny's birthday which is February 22.  Berny actually liked building just about anything including cars, armour, and aircraft, even Migs.  So we have decided it would be a completely open group build.  Basically, you will just pick your very favorite model and have fun.

Ken

I just found this thread and I am SO saddened to learn of Berny's passing.  He has answered many questions for me on this forum and I so respect his knowledge and willingness to share it with others.  May he rest in peace with the heavenly Father and may his family receive His blessings.

Darwin, O.F. 

Count me in on the memorial group build, probably with a Phantom of some type.

RIP Phatom Phixer, you will be missed.

Scott

After reading through all these post on him, it reminded me on how passionate he was when it came to properly depicting models. Nearly brought me to tears, but did bring a big smile to my face!

I am Michael C. Bernhardt, his oldest son, and also retired AF. Dad and I built models together when I was a kid, and as most kids I outgrew doing things with Dad, my loss.

While Dad was a Crew Chief on F-4's most of his career, I was an Aircrew Life Support technician, always answering Dad's questions on G-suits, flightsuits, helmets, O2 masks, ejection systems etc. Now that I am retired with too much time on my hands, I have decided to build my first model since the 70's. Boy do I got a lot to learn. Having always had a love for Military History (Thanks to Dad), my first venture will be a basic Revell B-17G, we'll see how that goes.

Spent my career doing Life Support on OV-10A's, F-15A, B, C, D's, MC-130E's, C-130E's, C-130J's, C-130E's ABCCC, C-9A's, MC-130N, P's.

While Dad did not rate a Miltary Fly-By he did get his Full Military Honors. The Honor Guard team did an awesome job. Both myself and my Brother were there in full uniform (AF), along with my Son (Marines), a good familiy friend from the Navy, and another familiy member by marriage Army, so all 4 branches were represented, and in uniform. He would have been proud.

Michael C. Bernhardt                          

CBTalon13 Michael my Dad and I had a similar thing going, he was a reliability engineer in aerospace and I was a machinist, he broke em and I made them years later. I also made parts for the F-4 Phantoms although I have never touched one.

I didn't talk with your Dad much but can say he will be sorely missed here as he was more than willing to help anyone with a model and did too. He was also quite a character, lots of fun to talk with and banter back and forth with. I do hope you will share your build with us here, I will sure be looking forward to seeing it.  

CBTalon13

After reading through all these post on him, it reminded me on how passionate he was when it came to properly depicting models. Nearly brought me to tears, but did bring a big smile to my face!

I am Michael C. Bernhardt, his oldest son, and also retired AF. Dad and I built models together when I was a kid, and as most kids I outgrew doing things with Dad, my loss.

While Dad was a Crew Chief on F-4's most of his career, I was an Aircrew Life Support technician, always answering Dad's questions on G-suits, flightsuits, helmets, O2 masks, ejection systems etc. Now that I am retired with too much time on my hands, I have decided to build my first model since the 70's. Boy do I got a lot to learn. Having always had a love for Military History (Thanks to Dad), my first venture will be a basic Revell B-17G, we'll see how that goes.

Spent my career doing Life Support on OV-10A's, F-15A, B, C, D's, MC-130E's, C-130E's, C-130J's, C-130E's ABCCC, C-9A's, MC-130N, P's.

While Dad did not rate a Miltary Fly-By he did get his Full Military Honors. The Honor Guard team did an awesome job. Both myself and my Brother were there in full uniform (AF), along with my Son (Marines), a good familiy friend from the Navy, and another familiy member by marriage Army, so all 4 branches were represented, and in uniform. He would have been proud.

Michael C. Bernhardt                          

Michael:

It was an honor to have known your dad, even for such a brief time.

Thanks for briefing us in on the funeral.

I have to say, Bill had a lot to be proud of, and that's an understatement. He was always understated, and a truly humble guy.

I hope you'll join us building here in the forms, you are very welcome here.

Best Regards,

Dominic

Welcome Michael!

Yes we all miss your Dad a lot.

I look forward to seeing you get modeling. Please jump in here with your projects. You don't have to worry about "filling anyones shoes". Berny was certainly his own character and we do miss him. So come and "do your thing".

My name is Bill as well, and I'd guess that your pop wasn't much older than I am, which is young.

Hi Michael.

It's very good to meet you.  I was one of the lucky group who had a chance to meet your Dad in person, when we went to the National Museum of the United States Air Force in Dayton last summer.   Bernie never ceased to amaze me with his limitless knowledge of the Phantom.  He will be sorely missed.

I was deeply honored when I found out that the Tshirt with my graphics on it was laid to rest with Bernie.  I am also the one who did up the 260 "too sick oh" F4 for him.  I would be very interested to know if he had the chance to complete the little bit of sub assembly I left for him to do.  I know he said he liked how it came out.

I have not been on much lately due to a move, but I am getting somewhat back to normal now, and I plan to be on more often.

Due to the move.  I don't have access to most of my kits or supplies since the cranially challenged movers packed them exactly where I told them not to pack them. lol  So for the time being, my available kits are limited to a handful.  I too plan on doing a B17G 1/48 Revell kit now.  It's one of the only kits I have with me.   And since most of my supplies and tools are in storage, it will be pretty much OOB as well.  I look forward to comparing notes with you on the build if you like.

Rich

CBTalon13

After reading through all these post on him, it reminded me on how passionate he was when it came to properly depicting models. Nearly brought me to tears, but did bring a big smile to my face!

I am Michael C. Bernhardt, his oldest son, and also retired AF. Dad and I built models together when I was a kid, and as most kids I outgrew doing things with Dad, my loss.

While Dad was a Crew Chief on F-4's most of his career, I was an Aircrew Life Support technician, always answering Dad's questions on G-suits, flightsuits, helmets, O2 masks, ejection systems etc. Now that I am retired with too much time on my hands, I have decided to build my first model since the 70's. Boy do I got a lot to learn. Having always had a love for Military History (Thanks to Dad), my first venture will be a basic Revell B-17G, we'll see how that goes.

Spent my career doing Life Support on OV-10A's, F-15A, B, C, D's, MC-130E's, C-130E's, C-130J's, C-130E's ABCCC, C-9A's, MC-130N, P's.

While Dad did not rate a Miltary Fly-By he did get his Full Military Honors. The Honor Guard team did an awesome job. Both myself and my Brother were there in full uniform (AF), along with my Son (Marines), a good familiy friend from the Navy, and another familiy member by marriage Army, so all 4 branches were represented, and in uniform. He would have been proud.

Michael C. Bernhardt                          

Michael- thanks for posting about your dad, and yourself. I haven't been around here quite two years, so I missed a good bit of the time your father spent on the forums. Still, I read his posts and benefited from his knowledge. I hope you'll stick around and share your build.

Dad was knowlegable on the F-4, while most 10 year olds are outside playing I was learning how to tell the difference between the different models, learning what a MER or TER was, and how to tell the difference between the different models of missles.

His biggest pet peeve was a model built looking like it came right off the show room floor. Telling me that an aircraft got dirty after one flight, and they always leaked regardless how well you thought it was sealed. In his words there was no such creature like that.

He had a passion that was only equaled by his knowledge. He entered some models in a contest while we were both stationed at George AFB California, he was asked to remove his entries. Seems after he entered everyone else pulled theirs, and no-one else would enter. He might not have won a trophy, but that request made him a winner in our eyes!.

Mike

Dad spoke about that trip with a look in his eyes like that of a kid in a candy store. Y'all did him right with all that y'all did that week-end. It was a definite highlight of the year for him.

Mike

Hi Mike,

Welcome to the forums. It was an honour to have known your dad, even if it was only by way of trading posts on the forum.

CBTalon13

Dad was knowlegable on the F-4, while most 10 year olds are outside playing I was learning how to tell the difference between the different models, learning what a MER or TER was, and how to tell the difference between the different models of missles....

 

Mike

Sounds like my life!  My Dad is a retired Phantom WSO, and was TDY with your Dad at Udorn in '72.  I learned more about flight ops and the Nuclear Triad theory, then joined as an Aircraft Weapons Spec, before transferring to the Army as a Helo Mech....22 years and going.  I jumped into the Phantom GB and learned of all of this (Berny) when I decided to build one of his planes from the 58th TFS.  Our thoughts and prayers go out to your family, and know that his knowledge is preserved here.

SuperB60ce

 

CBTalon13:

 

Dad was knowlegable on the F-4, while most 10 year olds are outside playing I was learning how to tell the difference between the different models, learning what a MER or TER was, and how to tell the difference between the different models of missles....

 

Mike

 

 

Sounds like my life!  My Dad is a retired Phantom WSO, and was TDY with your Dad at Udorn in '72.  I learned more about flight ops and the Nuclear Triad theory, then joined as an Aircraft Weapons Spec, before transferring to the Army as a Helo Mech....22 years and going.  I jumped into the Phantom GB and learned of all of this (Berny) when I decided to build one of his planes from the 58th TFS.  Our thoughts and prayers go out to your family, and know that his knowledge is preserved here.

Hey SuperB:

I gotta tell ya', B-60 was a favourite of mine. Oh...no bias for the '36 here...lol....

The best to you and your remembered father.

All the best to Mike and the Bernhardt family for their first set of holidays without Dad.

Best as well to Son Of Medicine Man.....two years without Dad.

Their Generation will not be forgotten by my generation.

Yeah, SuperB.....memories....