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  • From: Illinois: Hive of Scum and Villany
Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Saturday, August 6, 2011 1:19 PM

I miss 'em too!

Great place to stop and buy something on the way home, browse or just spend time talking.

On the north side of Chicago, I was within either bus or walking distance of larger stores such as :

Pilot Hobby, Stanton Hobby , The Hobby Chest in Skokie and then  misc. mom and pop neighborhood stores.

If I didn't see anything what I wanted to buy in those locations, I could always stop at a local Goldblatts or Steinberg & Baum department stores ( bought an AMT 1970 Impala FIre Chief car kit at one Goldblatts and a Revell Messaschitzel kit at a Steinberg & Baum ) .

Good Times.Big Smile

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  • From: Armpit of NY
Posted by MJames70 on Saturday, August 6, 2011 4:23 PM

garylee

 

The Internet murdered the Hobby Shop. Crying

I'm not sure I would agree completely with that sentiment. The hobby was changing and shrinking before the internet even got cracking. There has just been an explosion of different leisure products and activities the last 30 years or so, even before these computer thingys started catching everyone's attention. 

The internet has certainly made access to information and people willing to sell at a discount easier. But they were out there before, too. One local seller to me used to run a 2 -3 page ad in FSM every month, undercutting just about everyone else's prices. Any old timers here probably remember the retailer in question. And this was back in the early 90's, before everyone was trying to dial up AOL. 

Tastes/interests in the model hobby have degraded it from the point of being mainstream and in every store, to a niche activity that even specialist shops in it cannot always make a go of it. A lot depends on the economy of the area they are in. I am not saying the hobby is dead, modelers have never it better in regards to the number and quality of kits, information, and accessories available. The hobby has changed to the point where a brick and mortar store is not always the best way to reach those niche modelers out there.

It's great to have a place where you can see stuff, and talk to other people. But that is a lot of overhead, and often a lot of people who just come in to talk and complain and never buy anything, too. The store needs to be a viable business, or it too is just a hobby. It's nice if one can do that, but it seems to be less and less likely in the economic times we are in and headed for.

It was the local economy, or lack there of, that did in or left struggling the local stores here in Central NY. The economy here had been largely based on manufacturing, and as those jobs disappeared starting in the 70s, so eventually did the people with good paying work and disposable incomes. The last blow was in 1995, when nearby Griffiss AFB was 'realigned' out of existence. The loss of thousands of military & civilian jobs was a blow not close to recovered from over 15 years later.

It goes without saying many of those airmen were modelers, as were the civilian workers supporting the base. One local shop owner told me he regretted trying to stay open a few years past the base closing; he said he knew he should have shut down the moment it was announced. He is still a friend and modeler to this day, but not a business owner. Today this area is a wasteland of dollar stores, liquor stores, strip joints, and prisons. Now even the prisons and the strip joints are closing too, as the state government runs out of money, and nobody can afford tucking a dollar bill into a garter any more. All the civic 'actiivities' here seem to revolve around another excuse for a drunk-fest. Reminds me of what they used to say about people drinking themselves into oblivion in the former Soviet Union, because there was nothing else to do to escape the realities.

Well, anyway, I agree the internet was a factor in the demise of local stores, But not the only or major one, at least around here.

 

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, August 7, 2011 2:56 PM

It may be more accurate to state that technology killed a variety of businesses.

I've noted more than just hobby shops disappear from my area.

Businesses serving photography ranging from camera shops to film processing needs died due to digital photography.

Metalworking tooling / machinery supplier businesses in the Chicago metro area have either closed storefronts or reduced local inventory in favor of one central warehouse accessed via internet sales.

The result for me is similar to the model hobby in that I can no longer walk into a storefront and get a close look at tooling or metalworking machinery before I buy.

Technology may yet enhance the model kit hobby with the advent of faster internet networks and cheaper and better 3 D Printers.

OTOH, in reference to MJames70 comment about the central New York economy:

if people no longer have disposable money then we'll have much more to worry about than kits returning to store shelves.

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Posted by Echo139er on Sunday, August 7, 2011 4:25 PM

Hobbies like ours don't really stand a chance against the PS3, XBOX and anything "online". With that, neither do business who cater to them.  Online stores is the only way some of these shops can survive.  I foresee Michael's (HL's main competitor) going away soon or at least retooling their focus. Just like Walmart, Target and K-Mart did... the toy section in these mega-stores is being swallowed-up by the electronics department.

Sprue-ce Goose

It may be more accurate to state that technology killed a variety of businesses.

True statement, however, it goes deeper than that.  Technology not only killed a variety of businesses but hobbies and outdoor activities as well.

Boy scouts membership is way down, little league ball is struggling and even the simple coming of age experiences like  kids on bikes are becoming a rare sight. 

I peddle our hobby everywhere I get a chance to do so.  I have gotten 3 men at my office to start modeling again.  Like clock work one of the first questions I get asked is "Where is the nearest hobby shop."  Sadly my response is.... at your finger tips.

 

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Posted by garylee on Sunday, August 7, 2011 4:26 PM

I just know this - every single hobby shop owner I've talked to that was going out of business (and that's been quite a few) has said the exact same thing, "I can't compete with the internet". One of my favorites, Nankin Hobby, is still around but the guys there say the only thing keeping them alive is the R/C crowd. Guess those boys don't want to wait for stuff to be shipped to them. The clerks there claim if it wasn't for R/C sales they'd have closed the hobby section long ago.

Don't get me wrong, I love the deals and huge variety offered by the internet, but I'll still really miss those Saturday afternoon trips to the local hobby shop. The atmosphere and comeraderie of the LHS is something the internet will never have, and once that's gone it will be gone for good.

Gary

Detroit, where the weak are killed and eaten. Bwahahaha

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Posted by dmc1111 on Monday, August 8, 2011 2:21 PM

Sorry to get off subject.

Gary it looks like you're in my area. If you want the atmosphere of the "old time" LHS, you should take a day trip down to Tecumseh - JBar Hobbies. They're not a place you want to go to for supplies, but as far as kits go, they can't be beat in our area. You'll see kits there that haven't been on store shelves in twenty years. Also, they're long time advertisers in FSM, so to some extent they're helping this forum continue.

Dean

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Posted by mitsdude on Monday, August 8, 2011 6:24 PM

Hobby shops are/have joined a long list of other "dedicated" stores.

In my area the following either dont exist or there may be one left that is struggling when once there were several around.

Malt shops

Department store snack bars

Bicycle shops

Pinball/Video Arcades

Camera stores

Ceramics stores (very popular in 70's-80's)

Pet shops with critters other than cats and dogs

Comicbook/Magazine stores

et al...

Some of these were done in by technology-Arcades, Cameras

Others by regulation-pet shops

Still others by cost of raw materials-Comics/Magazine

Many by just not being able to make a living by selling such a niche product. bicyclr

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 7:25 AM

Well if I am ever in the market for another SNAP-TITE kit or cheap brushes, I'll keep that in mind...

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Tuesday, August 9, 2011 8:04 AM

Manstein's revenge

Well if I am ever in the market for another SNAP-TITE kit or cheap brushes, I'll keep that in mind...

Always figured you had a soft spot for those kits.........especially the SNAP-TITE  HOs  ......Wink

You can still get those at Michaels or Hobby Lobby....

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:06 AM

Took a few years but a local Chicago area Wal Mart is preparing an eight foot wide display area for Revell model kits, Testors paint and model flying rockets................the layout looks suspiciously like the one in Michaels Craft stores.

Dunno why Wal Mart is doing this......Michaels and Hobby Lobby Lobby offer coupons for 40 pct off.

BTW.......the local Meijers stores are, again,  also carrying Revell model kits...but an even smaller display of perhaps three or four feet wide.Hmm

Revell marketing and sales must have hired a really, really good salesmanWink

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:17 AM

Here in Corpus a Walmart anywhere carrying any scale models is and will be unheard of. This town must have a boycott going on against scale modeling!!

                   

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:23 AM

Over the last decade, major stores in Chicago area have been either lukewarm or frigid where enthusiasm for model kits is concerned.

I'll be surprised if Wal Mart sells many kits.......... 

............unless a certain un-dead Feld Marshal is in the market for SNAP-TITE kits as wedding favors..............

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:40 AM

Here in this town there are alot of low income families who NEVER frequent HL or Micheals. I tend to agree with you on sales at WM. HL has a friggin WALL of car kits and maybe 12 or so ACFT kits and maybe 5 ship kits and crap kits for armor. It just shows what most locals grab when they want to build something.  I've heard of folks askiing for scale model kits in stores and the young employees don't even know what the customer is asking for!!

                   

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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:41 AM

My son seems interested in it after seeing some of daddy's builds. There may be hope yet.....

                   

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:45 AM

mustang1989

My son seems interested in it after seeing some of daddy's builds. There may be hope yet.....

You must be doing a good job building.
Happy to hear the news ! Big Smile
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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:50 AM

I do ok I guess but we started building a Monogram (and its a real Monogram) SBD Dauntless together around December and then I switched gears to the Fw190 for the GB. I'm wrapping the 190 up and he's bugging me to get started back on the SBD again. He seems pretty fired up about it so I'll be building the SBD with him during the day and my next project in the morning time.

                   

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:53 AM

mustang1989

I do ok I guess but we started building a Monogram (and its a real Monogram) SBD Dauntless together around December and then I switched gears to the Fw190 for the GB. I'm wrapping the 190 up and he's bugging me to get started back on the SBD again. He seems pretty fired up about it so I'll be building the SBD with him during the day and my next project in the morning time.

Big SmileYes
I recently purchased a 1970s vintage Monogram SBD at a swap meet.......................as newer kits have been issued, I intend to build OOB and leave working features intact.
Should be a nice comparison to newer kits.
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Posted by mustang1989 on Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:12 PM

I added some goodies to mine and plan on leaving all or most of the working features in place. I replaced the cockpit with alot of parts from a Hasegawa kit I had and scratch built seat belts. I replaced the single gun in the back with the dual gun from Hasegawa and drilled out the exhuasts. Outside of that I'm not doing too much else. It'll all be putty and paint from here. I guess I'm making my own canopy masks too since I can't seem to find masks for it.

                   

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Posted by Sarpedon1978 on Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:45 PM

Dont forget that Wal-mart may have a supplier for the kits and uses in store pick up so they do not have to purchase inventory but still make it available to its customers. Lowes did that last year when it bought ATG...which is one of the top 5 internet stores.

"Winter is coming"

In process: Hhhhmmmm decisions decisions

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Friday, August 16, 2013 7:25 AM

Sarpedon1978

Dont forget that Wal-mart may have a supplier for the kits and uses in store pick up so they do not have to purchase inventory but still make it available to its customers.

I have seen returned or unwanted kits at that particular WalMart so I am aware that it is possible to have orders shipped to the store.
I was considering that very possibility when contemplating the purchase of a digital photo frame.
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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Friday, August 16, 2013 12:25 PM

Not in my area Walmarts. There are at least 2 other Walmarts within a 15 mile radius from my home.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:02 AM

FSM forum members in the eastern USA ( I believe) first posted seeing kits.

I presume stores get displays on an erratic basis.

I don't have enough info to determine if displays are beiong installed in any particular order.

It took two years for a Chicago area WalMart to add models again.

Shame that 21st Century kits are no longer available.

The 1/32 aircraft kits made visiting the WalMart model section worthwhile.

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Posted by ajlafleche on Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:51 AM

Echo139er

Boy scouts membership is way down, little league ball is struggling and even the simple coming of age experiences like  kids on bikes are becoming a rare sight. 

A good deal of THAT goes to thirty years of parents being propogandized about "Stranger Danger" and the urban legends from the early 80's about mass abductions. At one point, there were supposedly over 25,000 abductions a year in the US.

A year or so back, I read a novel by Dan Simmons called Summer of Night. In the preface, he cites a study showing the decreasing area in which children are allowed to play. In the 50's and '60s, the range, IIRC, was an average of something like a mile or two. Today, it's measured in a couple  hundred yards.

There was a therapist on Today this week or last talking about this and "deprogramming" helicopter parents to allow their children to play in the front yard or cross the street. This  spring, while walking the dogs, I saw a mother drive two houses to the end of her street to bring her kid to the school bus then back the car up to her driveway again. This was not a mega home neighborhood,the total distance from her house to the corner was maybe 50 yards (meters to our Euro friends.) 

These same crazies would probably fear exposing their little darlins to toxic plastics and glues and pointy things. 

"I wanna play cricket on the green
Ride my bike across the stream
Cut myself and see my blood
I wanna come home all covered in mud

I'm a boy, I'm a boy
But my ma won't admit it"


Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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Posted by fermis on Saturday, August 17, 2013 10:03 AM

ajlafleche

Echo139er

Boy scouts membership is way down, little league ball is struggling and even the simple coming of age experiences like  kids on bikes are becoming a rare sight. 

A good deal of THAT goes to thirty years of parents being propogandized about "Stranger Danger" and the urban legends from the early 80's about mass abductions. At one point, there were supposedly over 25,000 abductions a year in the US.

A year or so back, I read a novel by Dan Simmons called Summer of Night. In the preface, he cites a study showing the decreasing area in which children are allowed to play. In the 50's and '60s, the range, IIRC, was an average of something like a mile or two. Today, it's measured in a couple  hundred yards.

There was a therapist on Today this week or last talking about this and "deprogramming" helicopter parents to allow their children to play in the front yard or cross the street. This  spring, while walking the dogs, I saw a mother drive two houses to the end of her street to bring her kid to the school bus then back the car up to her driveway again. This was not a mega home neighborhood,the total distance from her house to the corner was maybe 50 yards (meters to our Euro friends.) 

These same crazies would probably fear exposing their little darlins to toxic plastics and glues and pointy things. 

"I wanna play cricket on the green
Ride my bike across the stream
Cut myself and see my blood
I wanna come home all covered in mud

I'm a boy, I'm a boy
But my ma won't admit it"


 Much truth there!

Adults these days, seem to have forgotten how smart they were when they were kids. When I was a kid, my friends and I would disappear into the woods, midmorning, and not return til dark...playing "guns", catching snakes and lizards, whatever! Now, ever kid has a cellphone and gets a ride to the bus stop...I even see parents that drive their brats to the end of the driveway (SERIOUSLY???!!!!). The constant "hovering" is only raising sissies and morons! My wife and I were watching "Get out alive" (Bear Grills "survival" show), the other night. The contestants were acting like everything was sooo hard, and every accomplishment was a major feat. I was doing that stuff when I was 11/12yrs old...thanks Boy Scouts!!!

 

Anyway...I still haven't seen any kits at the local dept. stores, aside from Michaels.

I'm thinkin, the stores quit carrying them on account of poor selection. It's always the same old Revellogram kits.....BORING (mostly). If they carried a wider selection, I think they'd attract "serious" modelers, and sell more.

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Posted by mustang1989 on Saturday, August 17, 2013 10:20 AM

fermis

Anyway...I still haven't seen any kits at the local dept. stores, aside from Michaels.

I'm thinkin, the stores quit carrying them on account of poor selection. It's always the same old Revellogram kits.....BORING (mostly). If they carried a wider selection, I think they'd attract "serious" modelers, and sell more.

There is ALOT of truth to that!

                   

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Posted by Tojo72 on Saturday, August 17, 2013 5:59 PM

I don't care whether or not Walmart has models,I get most my kits either from the internet or the shows.I am also  fortunate to have two very well stocked mom and pop hobby shops within 25 minutes from my house.Would it be nice to get Dragon or Tamiya at Walmart prices ? yes,but it a'int gonna happen.

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Posted by GreySnake on Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:50 PM

My wally world finally set its new mod for models. A lot of cars which doesn't surprise me. Two snap tight aircraft kits and the Monogram 1/48 P-51 and 1/72 F-82. Also going to have a small rack of Testors paint but they haven't stocked them it. Ended up picking up the F-82 just for the heck of it.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Sunday, August 18, 2013 7:36 AM

GreySnake

My wally world finally set its new mod for models. A lot of cars which doesn't surprise me. Two snap tight aircraft kits and the Monogram 1/48 P-51 and 1/72 F-82. Also going to have a small rack of Testors paint but they haven't stocked them it. Ended up picking up the F-82 just for the heck of it.

Hmmm........The Monogram F-82 I haven't seen since the 1970s.
BTW..just heard a local hobby shop- Adventure in Wheeling Illinois....is going out of business due to high rent cost ( $11, 000 per month ) and competition from internet RC sales.
Looking more and more like the local hobby shop is going to end up being either Wal Mart, Michaels or Hobby Lobby.........Crying
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Posted by pws73703 on Sunday, September 8, 2013 7:01 AM
Walmart in Enid,Ok has 3 aircraft rest cars going on 6 months now
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Posted by mitsdude on Monday, September 9, 2013 12:28 AM

I'm not sure if my Walmarts carry models. I don't ever think to check when I'm shopping there.

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