smeagol the vile

Mythical means nothing except having to do with myths and legends, mostly related with things like the Greco-Roman lore

Fantasy has a massive connotations with sword and sorcery.  to go and say 'lets change the name of the category from Sci-fi, of which there are TONS and TONS of kits that are Sci-fi there are very few fantasy mythology kits in comparison, most of them being expensive resin kits.

 

Also, besides the scifi you have cut out scratch building.  While OUR thread doesn't have a lot of scratch builders (besides people like ChuckW) but there are a very large amount of them out there. 

While you might think 'oh, if he scratch builds a tank it can go into armor' but when its scratch build normally other things are taken into consideration, like the quality of the scratch build or the sculpt.

Smeags, you're over thinking.

Sci-fi, fantasy, mythical = make believe.

fermis

 

smeagol the vile:

 

Mythical means nothing except having to do with myths and legends, mostly related with things like the Greco-Roman lore

Fantasy has a massive connotations with sword and sorcery.  to go and say 'lets change the name of the category from Sci-fi, of which there are TONS and TONS of kits that are Sci-fi there are very few fantasy mythology kits in comparison, most of them being expensive resin kits.

 

Also, besides the scifi you have cut out scratch building.  While OUR thread doesn't have a lot of scratch builders (besides people like ChuckW) but there are a very large amount of them out there. 

While you might think 'oh, if he scratch builds a tank it can go into armor' but when its scratch build normally other things are taken into consideration, like the quality of the scratch build or the sculpt.

 

 

Smeags, you're over thinking.

Sci-fi, fantasy, mythical = make believe.

Ah Ha! now we come to the crux of the biscuit!  I say that because at one point submarines were science fiction, so were airplanes, so was space flight, so was robotics.

Fantasy and Mythology can not and will not ever be real science fiction on the other hand can very much become real.

That aside just outright changing the genre title is a stupid idea, lets change Aircraft to Jets and Armor to AFVs

You're making a simple question very complicated. Every catagory/genre can be broken down a million ways. Why bother??? The question was simple. ScorpioMikey had a simple (and best IMHO) answer. Everything fits!  Right NOW, sci-fi IS make believe....when items become reality, they'll fit into one of the other catagories (land/sea/air/space). 

K.I.S.S.

I recall one contest I attended where there were SO many entrants with them, the organizers had to create a category JUST for 1/48 Me109s...

Not trying to add to any argument here, and no disrespect to Echo, just trying to clarify...

Smeagol has a point.  While it might not matter to most people who focus on something like military subjects, most folks who are into SF and would be likely to bring entries to a contest would be thrown off by the Enterprise from Star Trek or their X-Wing being put in a "Fantasy" category because that term is usually applied to something to do with a "swords and sorcery" setting.  This differentiation is so set that even books with their category shown on the spine use the "science fiction" and "fantasy" terms. 

As far as the list I suggested earlier, the vast majority of "fantasy" subjects I've seen are figures ( human, elf, or dragon, I'd think they'd all be considered "figures" ), and so  would normally expect to see them in a similar category at a show.

simantics....unless there is a real..working/functional  example or a planned prototype using current technology.... its all fantasy...breaking it down to the simplest form...if not the categories are endless and thats not the point of the question.

GRL

Hans von Hammer

I recall one contest I attended where there were SO many entrants with them, the organizers had to create a category JUST for 1/48 Me109s...

My kind of contest.

Oh, and that's "Bf" 109's.

carsanab

simantics....unless there is a real..working/functional  example or a planned prototype using current technology.... its all fantasy...breaking it down to the simplest form...if not the categories are endless and thats not the point of the question.

GRL

That seems a bit like saying it's nothing more than "semantics" to put LOTR and Harlequin romances in different categories instead of the same category of "fiction."

It's possible to oversimplify as well as overthink these kinds of things.

Kugai

 

carsanab:

 

simantics....unless there is a real..working/functional  example or a planned prototype using current technology.... its all fantasy...breaking it down to the simplest form...if not the categories are endless and thats not the point of the question.

GRL

 

 

That seems a bit like saying it's nothing more than "semantics" to put LOTR and Harlequin romances in different categories instead of the same category of "fiction."

It's possible to oversimplify as well as overthink these kinds of things.

If one had to classify all books in one of two categories, "fiction" and "non-fiction" would make quite a bit of sense.

And which books fit where would probably start some awesome wars.

This thread is getting all kinds of hilarious. 

How about the following:

1. Walks - Moves across solid terrain by action of articulating limbs of unspecified number
2. Rolls - Utilizes energy transferred from an axle to a wheel to exert frictive forces upon solid terrain to propel the subject forward or backward.
3. Flies - Self-propulsion through a gaseous environment, such as air or space
4. Floats - Buoyancy is critical to survival
5. Everything else - mainly for snakes

Oh, and that's "Bf" 109's.

Ahh.. I flipped a coin.. "Me109" won...

Besides, no fighter pilot I can think of ever came back from a mission saying he'd shot down a Bayerische Flugzeugwerke 109.. He said he bagged a Messerschmitt...

Reasoned

 

Oh, and that's "Bf" 109's.

Scorpiomikey

Land, Air, Sea, Space, Mythical.

Change Scorpiomikeys Mythical to "unreal" or"not existing in the real world"?

or

Science fiction, mythical, fantasy, uncategorised unreal & real

Careful there Mr. Milairjunkie, you are going to upset señor Smeagol the Vile.  

I still don't see what is wrong with the high overview classifications Scorpionmikey came up with.  It makes good sense.  Its not like we are asking for a new classification for competitions or shows!

It is a broad and very high overview of the big picture nothing more.

Kugai

carsanab:

simantics....unless there is a real..working/functional  example or a planned prototype using current technology.... its all fantasy...breaking it down to the simplest form...if not the categories are endless and thats not the point of the question.

GRL

 

That seems a bit like saying it's nothing more than "semantics" to put LOTR and Harlequin romances in different categories instead of the same category of "fiction."

It's possible to oversimplify as well as overthink these kinds of things.

isnt that what the question is...to break the categories down to the simplest level....and LOTR and harlq ARE fiction....as a basic category...

..and I know i have a spelling error.....no need to point it out....I didnt feel like going back and correcting it...

Hey no worries. It's a miracle that Giant Radioactive Lizards can spell to begin with. LOL!!!

And don't you fall into the fantasy catagory? Or would that be horror. Or maybe fiction? The world wonders.

Medicman71

Hey no worries. It's a miracle that Giant Radioactive Lizards can spell to begin with. LOL!!!

And don't you fall into the fantasy catagory? Or would that be horror. Or maybe fiction? The world wonders.

...Loveable Lizard Category.....

uhhh, I forget... why!?

1. Want

2. Don't want

3. In the Stash

4. In progress

5. Built

1. lost a part for
2. found a part for
3. ordered a part for
4. scratchbuilt a part for
5. buying another because it is worth getting in trouble for

"Sci-Fi and Fantasy" would work as a single, stand-alone category, IMNSHO... Frodo, Robbie the Robot, Spock, Predator, Godzilla,and Skywalker pretty much all get along... I've certainly never seen a conflict at the local bookstore-section were ALL that stuff is located..

Meanwhile, Jupiter II is quite nicely tucked into formation with Enterprise, K'Tanga, Executor, Seaview, and Yamato II at the other end of the table, and the "F-19 Stealth" & "MiG-37 Ferret" can duke it out in the middle...  Maybe somewhere around the location of the "Dropship"...

Hercmech

1. Want

2. Don't want

3. In the Stash

4. In progress

5. Built

First 'it makes good sense' to you and one or two others.  Everyone that builds scifi on this forums that has weighed into this topic has told you it does not make good sense at all.

Another good point has been brought up as well.  As I said fantasy is sword and sorcery and mythology mostly has to do with grecko roman mythos and at times norse. 

Now ALL of that 100% absolutely, positively ALL of it is pre-history to medieval, meaning there is nothing more advanced then a axle and a wheel which means that 99.9% of it ALREADY fits into the category of 'Figures'

If you made a category called 'Fantasy' what you would effectively do is split the 'Figure' category into ' 1600-present and prehistory to Renaissance.  While there are a lot of historically accurate medieval and crusades figures the majority of figures done by people, especially on THIS forum, are WWII - Modern 1/72nd to 1/35th scale figures.

Let me do some searching for you, in the genre of fantasy

http://www.scalehobbyist.com/catagories/Scale_Figures/browse.php?s=0&t=5&u=4&pg=1&ppp=24&sb=stocknumber&so=a

http://www.monstersinmotion.com/cart/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=271_279&sort=20a&page=1

SOME of the kits from the following

http://www.moebiusmodels.com/

http://www.hobbylinc.com/cgi-bin/s8.cgi?cat_s=S&mfg_s=pll&p=2 (because polar light's site isnt working)

It took me a long time to find some fantasy model kits that were not just half naked women with pointy ears.

now, lets try Scifi

as quickly as I can here are three

http://www.gundamstoreandmore.com/gundam.html

http://www.starshipmodeler.biz/shop/

http://www.hlj.com/top/Sci

Last thing Ill put here now is just a restatement of what I said earlier.  Fantasy kits are 99.999% Figures thats all, they go in the figure category and they always have.  Its called Scifi for a reason, contests call it scifi, stores call it scifi.  If you want fantasy stuff you either look in Figures or in Scifi because there are few of them and when you find them they are just that, figures.

It would be like taking another overarching subject... this is even hard to do, lets try automobiles, and saying... nah, lets take a small little niche model type, lets do drag racers, and lets call the category drag racers.

I think it is Fantasy that I will ever get half way through my stash, or is it Science fiction that I think that by buying that new airbrush my skills will increase?

Shoot...tomAto tomOto

its still all fictional characters..................

Well, what's wrong with calling it SF/Fantasy?  Seems to cover both- Mythical works but I'm just more used to the term SF/Fantasy myself.

And no label is going to be perfect- I mean jeeps go in the Armour category even though they're not armoured...

1. Too expensive for my budget
2. Inexpensive
3. Bought by a relative
4. Won at a model show
5. Too expensive for my budget but bought anyway & then explained away to the wife as "won at a model show"....

I see no problem with 'Scifi-Fantasy' but again, 90% of fantasy stuff goes into the figure category because well they are the ones that are best to judge and critique  and help eachother out because its all the same techniques.  Someone who builds gundam kits or star trek ships wont have a clue how to accurately paint a flesh tone (gross generalization) or the best way to get a metalic look on armor without using metalic paints.

If you look at it that way its best to keep it that way, with fantasy and mythology going into figures because they work best off of eachother.  They use the same techniques and what not.  Sci-fi has it's own category because it doesn't really fit into the rest there is so much odd stuff we use and do you would have to ask car guys for help with gundam finishes, armor guys for weathering, plane guys for MG and burns around engines, figures for the figures that go with it.  Its such a varied area that it has to have it's own subject but fantasy is, as I said 100 times, 99.999% figures.

Air

Land

Sea

Space

Mythical

All in favor say/type "aye"

I'll go first Aye! (because it makes sense)

The Lizard abstains...

Echo139er

Air

Land

Sea

Space

Mythical

 

All in favor say/type "aye"

I'll go first Aye! (because it makes sense)

Sounds reasonable to me