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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 5:48 PM

My Army "I love me wall" would cover the side of my two story house. The modeling "I love me wall" would cover a wall in my home office (I made the formal living room my office). I have 29 years of military service between the National Guard and Regular Army. My model show career is only about 15 years, so about half my military career.

My final gag gift upon retirement was a high end light saber mounted on a plaque like my cavalry saber. I guess they thought it a fitting blade for a Jedi Tanker. The dang thing was like $125. They chose green since it is the closest thing to armor yellow.
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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 1:05 PM

I've got enough dusty plaques sitting in a cardboard box to cover a wall.

That the Army "I Love Me Wall" or the Modeler "I Love Me Wall", Colonel? Wink

My "Army Wall" is so damned cluttered, I have to leave 'em up because of the rectangular bare spots that would force me to paint if I take 'em down...  Covers some holes in the sheetrock though...

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 12:53 PM

When I go, I have no aspirations of winning anything. I tend to bring enough of my kits to enter based on the entry fee. If the additional kit fee is cheap and I have more newly completed models, I'll bring them.

I once drove a guy to a show who must have brought a dozen, perhaps almost 20, small scale aircraft. I was hoodwinked into driving (a few of us were supposed to meet at his place and carpool there, but I was the only one to show and he didn't have a car, coincidence?). We stayed because he had so many kits that were going to win awards. After that, I've never volunteered to carpool to a show again.

If I feel like staying and think my kits have a chance of winning something, I stay. If not, I'm not adverse to taking my kits and heading home. I've got enough dusty plaques sitting in a cardboard box to cover a wall. I don't need any more.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 11:42 AM

I'm still on the "Must Be Present to Win" side of the fence... Frankly speaking, it IS a contest, after all, and not a "show"...  I'll take any advantage I can get in a competion... 

And if it's a club member that wins, I'll be the first one to holler "Fixed!" Stick out tongue

(That last was in jest, BTW)

Whether or not a contest requires one to be there or not, I still go, I still pays m' dime,  I still compete, and I lose quite gracefully...

 And often...

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Posted by RESlusher on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 9:24 AM

The way I see it, it's still revenue for the club and entrants that otherwise wouldn't be there.

Just my 2 cents though...

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Posted by K-dawg on Tuesday, October 4, 2011 8:56 AM

We had our yearly contest this past weekend (Sproo-doo XI)... There were several Proxy entries, one of which won Best of Civilian and not one person booed when the award was presented to the friend that had brought it.... in fact, everyone clapped. Modeler present or not, we were thrilled to have the entries.

Kenneth Childres, Central Arkansas Scale Modelers

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Posted by ajlafleche on Saturday, October 1, 2011 10:49 AM

Entries, either in person or by proxy, support the cost of the event. Too few entries and classes are closed or, even worse, the event ceases to exist.

Yesterday, I dropped off models for a display with a club member who is setting it up for me at a museum a couple hours away. I had plans (weather cancelled them) for this morning to support a cycling friend but also wanted to support the modeling friend and his event not a competition. I will be going out tomorrow to be there in person.

At any given show, some folks have to leave early and what you're seeing may be just that. A guy who enterred, stayed around through judging but had to leave before the final bell and had friends accept for him. You can't tell the circumstances.

Also, especially for the larger events, someone may have been working on a model just for that show and an emergency crops up. Why shouldn't he be allowed to pay his fee and have someone else put the model on the table. It will receive the same attention from the judges regardless of where the builder is.

And you, the paying public, get more plastic to look at, his absence makes it eassier to win the door prizes and reduces your competition for bargains in the vendor room.

 

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Saturday, October 1, 2011 8:13 AM

I've seen modelers who were at the show, but had to leave early (travel time or whatever) have a friend or fellow club member accept the award during the ceremony.

The one time my 10 yr old daughter entered into a contest, we stayed because one of the organizers informed me she won several awards. The show ran late and it was taking a toll on her. If she hadn't won something, I would have left with her and let one of my club members pick up any awards I may have won (we both won 4 trophies each).

We still had a long drive home, and she never entered another kit again. Her fun meter had pegged.

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Posted by Irish3335 on Friday, September 30, 2011 11:41 PM

interesting ideas and thoughts, I can see both sides of the coin now - I would have to say originally when I posted this I was speaking more about persons who live in the area, enter contests regularly, and are head and shoulders above other modelers.  This person I respect highly, but I just found it as a "hmmm" moment as he has won pretty much every category he has ever entered.  If he was there, I certainly would have asked him what he did to make such an exceptional model.  That is part of our experience in a very solitary hobby to be able to share that experience with others so we can be better ourselves

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, September 30, 2011 7:44 PM

Aaron Skinner

 Hans von Hammer:

I'm pretty sure that IPMS ruled that with good intentions, to ensure as large a turn-out as possible..  But on the other hand, I figgered out a way t' be there, so why can't someone else manage it?

 

Just to play devil's advocate, I've been at a couple of shows where models were entered proxy because the modeler couldn't be there because he/she was military deployed overseas.

Cheers, Aaron

I'm sure that's true, (and quite noble) Aaron, but I doubt the rule was written after 9/11...  That is, if you're talking about deployed overseas to a combat zone (or anywhere where one is eligible for Hostile Fire/Imminent Danger Pay) and not a PCS to OCONUS duty stations.. PCS (Permenant Change of Station) moves are routine, and Soldier-Modelers are free to join the host-country's IPMS chapters.  I belonged to the chapter in Hohenfels, Germany for two and a half years while I was with the 3rd Herd (3rd Armored Division)..... Heh, there were almost as many Amerikaner Soldaten in the chapter as Germans, lol.. 

A couple of them were old-timers (this was in the 80s) that had served in the Waffen-SS as Infantry, and one ol' Clanker that became a close friend of mine who served with the 2nd Panzer Division, and been a gunner on Mark IVs and later, Panthers (hence my propensity for telling stories with the Tamiya Panther A om dioramas.. They're his stories, lol).. Talk about good refs! Wish I'd had the technology then I do now... Sadly, Deiter passed away in 1992...

Dunno about Sailors who are on a 6-month cruise...  

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Friday, September 30, 2011 2:52 PM

The door prizes, vendors tables and discussing modeling with fellow modelers!

I look at it like there will be more to enter at the contest when I attend the following year if I cannot make this years eventAutomobileTravel

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Posted by Dre on Friday, September 30, 2011 12:39 PM

Personally, I would not enter a model into any competition that I could not attend...  I'm just funny that way.

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Posted by Aaron Skinner on Friday, September 30, 2011 10:13 AM

Hans von Hammer

I'm pretty sure that IPMS ruled that with good intentions, to ensure as large a turn-out as possible..  But on the other hand, I figgered out a way t' be there, so why can't someone else manage it?

Just to play devil's advocate, I've been at a couple of shows where models were entered proxy because the modeler couldn't be there because he/she was military deployed overseas.

Cheers, Aaron

Aaron Skinner

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Friday, September 30, 2011 1:52 AM

I'm pretty sure that IPMS ruled that with good intentions, to ensure as large a turn-out as possible..  But on the other hand, I figgered out a way t' be there, so why can't someone else manage it?

On the OTher other hand, the road t' Hell is paved with good intentions, as the poet said.... I reckon it'll stay the same anyway, so meanwhile, I got a B-25 to wreck... Couldn't do a proxy with that either.. Too many greeblies are gonna be on, sticking them together after they come loose or get knocked off in transit while be reqired upon arrival..

 

 

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Posted by Fly-n-hi on Friday, September 30, 2011 12:40 AM

What about those of us who have to work alot of weekends?  It seems like that's the time when most shows are held and I happen to work many Saturdays and Sundays.  So should I not be allowed to enter into contests?

How does being there in person make any difference?  I personally don't want to win a 1st place simply because the guy who built the better model couldn't physically be there.

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Posted by K-dawg on Friday, September 30, 2011 12:25 AM

Interesting question. Here is the exact passage from the IPMS rule book "

A member may also serve as a "proxy" to enter models for a fellow member who is not attending the convention. Entry fees for proxy models may be set at the discretion of the Host Chapter. All entries except chapter/group entries must be the sole work of the individual whose name is on the entry blank."

So you see, it is perfectly "legal" to have someone enter your work by proxy assuming you know about it.

Personally, I have no problem with it but that's probably because the club I belong to. The nearest show to us besides our own is nearly 3 hrs away and most of them are closer to 5-6 hrs away. Not everyone can get off work or afford to make more than one trip like that a year so very often the 2-3 people that do go haul a few kits with them from other members. Another angle is should a modeler not get to compete because of time or financial restrains?

I dislike trophy hounds as much as the next person and that does happen but by restricting proxy entries you also cut the legs off those who want to compete for honest reasons but can't.

Kenneth Childres, Central Arkansas Scale Modelers

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:53 PM

I've always been a fan of "Must Be Present to Win", m'self...

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Absentee Contest Wins
Posted by Irish3335 on Thursday, September 29, 2011 7:45 PM

Ok just competed in a show last weekend, and I noticed that a friend of mine (he is an outstanding modeler and has won 1st place on his models at both local events and IPMS several times) was not present.  I did notice however that several of his models were out for competition and of course he won mostly 1st and 2nd place for his entrys.  Another member of the club claimed his trophies for him, and I am assuming took his models home for him.

Is there rules for IPMS about absentee entries?  Am I the only one that thinks this takes away from the contest and the interaction between modelers who stick around to learn and get tips?  It just seems like trophy grabbing to me as he would be guaranteed to be 1st or 2nd everytime.  I think I learn more at the shows and contests when I see other peoples work and I get to talk about my own.  I really like him and his work and consider him to be a friend but it just seemed wrong to me.

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