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Posted by plasticjunkie on Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:58 PM

I also want to add that I visited 2 HLs in South Carolina and one in Orlando Florida last month. The model kit stock was identical in all three stores so it seems that stock selection must be done at a regional level. I was hoping to find some variation in their merchandise.

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Posted by dirkpitt77 on Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:11 PM

   Hey guys,

 

     I finally sent Joel at Hobby Lobby corporate a link after allowing the replies to build up here.  Here is his reply:

 

 

"Chris,

Thank you so much for your ideas. I have sent the link to our buyer for review. We appreciate your passion for modeling.  Have a happy Thanksgiving.  Thank you,

 

Hobby Lobby Stores

Joel Jackson
Customer Service
Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc.
7707 SW 44th Street
Oklahoma City, OK 73179

Ph: (405) 745-7253 • Fx: (405) 745-7316"

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Posted by troublemaker66 on Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:30 PM

We don`t have any Hobby Lobby`s in south Jersey but we have ACMoore and Michael`s. I just sent a similar question into ACMoore`s customer contact center. The Egg Harbor Twp store has half of an aisle dedicated to Revellogram kits and Testor`s 1/4 oz paints/supplies. The same goes on here as HL...same ol` kits, all the time. Michael`s is a little worse, as Doog`s said, they`re whittled down to a small section on the back wall. An "Ollie`s" store opened next to ACMoore and to my surprise, had some Lindberg / Testor`s and Revell kits. I guess Ollie`s is like Odd Lots...never know what you`ll find from week to week. They had a bunch of Italeri M-4 Sherman 1/72 kit`s and Testor`s 1/35 Sherman diecast models. I don`t hold out hope of Ollies strting a hobby aisle but next week you may find a shelf full of Tamigawa stuff...lol.

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Posted by csquare on Sunday, October 16, 2011 4:18 PM

I understand if HL is losing money on military kits and having to sell mostly car models. My problem is that my local HL hasn't stocked Model Masters Acrylic paints in about six months. I don't mind ordering models online, but when I need a simple bottle of Flat Black I don't want to have to pay shipping etc... Too bad there isn't a Hobby Town within driving distance.

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Sunday, October 16, 2011 2:55 PM

MJames70

Talk about bargains....my local Hobby Lobby has had 3 Tamiya 1/48 F-16s sitting on the clearance shelf for weeks. Down to $22 the last time I passed through. Too bad I have too many already....

I just went to peruse my Hobby Lobby this past Thursday, and found, on the clearance shelf, a Tamiya 1/48th F-16C/N Adversary Edition, and the Italeri 1/48th Spifire Mk.IX "American Aces" kit. Bought them both for $36, tax and all! Woo Hoo!

But, getting back to to original request, Hobby Lobby should price their model kits at a more reasonable level. After checking a few websites, and visiting a couple of hobby shops this past week (one being the HobbyTownUSA in Kennesaw, GA, which is simply HUGE, by the way),  I noticed that most priced their kits below MSRP, even if they were just slightly below that. Hobby Lobby seems to be pricing either at, or above, MSRP. Not gonna sell a lot of anything doing that. I know I would buy more from them if they were cheaper, instead of awaiting the kits to hit the clearance shelf, or using the 40%-off coupon.

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Posted by MJames70 on Friday, October 14, 2011 5:55 PM

Talk about bargains....my local Hobby Lobby has had 3 Tamiya 1/48 F-16s sitting on the clearance shelf for weeks. Down to $22 the last time I passed through. Too bad I have too many already....

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, October 14, 2011 5:21 PM

Dawg

I'm aware of the MSRP system, IMO very inflated and unrealistic. Scale Hobbyist has it for $36.88, even a better bargain than Squadron.

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Friday, October 14, 2011 2:05 PM

plastickjunkie

You are 100%  correct on this. I just visited a second HL about 18 miles away from the one I usually go to and their stock is just as pathetic as the first one. Who ever is ordering models, paints and supplies has very little knowledge of the hobby. I did manage to pick up the 1/48 Tamiya A6M5/5a  Zeke on the clearance rack for $19.79.Big Smile  Why in the heck mark up this kit to $54.99 in the first place? 

I believe it is called "MSRP" (Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price), and most (not all) stores use it as a guide as to what to price their inventory. Even car dealerships use this. I did notice that Squadron has the same Zero for $45.90, so, even with shipping, it is still cheaper to get it on-line. That's one of the reasons I wait for a kit at Hobby Lobby to either go on the clearance shelf, or use the 40%-off coupon. I can remember a few years ago when Hobby Lobby was one of the cheaper places to get models, then, all of a sudden, they started using the MSRP for everything. I guess this was about 5 years ago.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 14, 2011 10:06 AM

stymye

...are the decision makers all soccer moms?

Actually, probably they are for their market...

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, October 14, 2011 8:23 AM

Screaminhelo

I would also recommend that, if they really want to continue to serve the modeling community, find someone who is familiar with the hobby to oversee this part of the business.  At least find someone who will reach out like this on a regular basis and keep in tune with the hobby.

 

You are 100%  correct on this. I just visited a second HL about 18 miles away from the one I usually go to and their stock is just as pathetic as the first one. Who ever is ordering models, paints and supplies has very little knowledge of the hobby. I did manage to pick up the 1/48 Tamiya A6M5/5a  Zeke on the clearance rack for $19.79.Big Smile  Why in the heck mark up this kit to $54.99 in the first place? 

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Posted by Hercmech on Friday, October 14, 2011 8:17 AM

stymye

I would like to see the model hobby section expand to atleast a fraction of the scrapbooking section that encompasses  what seems like dozens of aisles.

  remember it's called "hobby" lobby, not  "scrapbookers"  lobby.

 are the decision makers all soccer moms?

No...but for ever model guy that goes in there 100 scrapbookers go in . Business case would show they are doing what they need to do regardless of how much we doth protest.


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Posted by stymye on Friday, October 14, 2011 12:51 AM

I would like to see the model hobby section expand to atleast a fraction of the scrapbooking section that encompasses  what seems like dozens of aisles.

  remember it's called "hobby" lobby, not  "scrapbookers"  lobby.

 are the decision makers all soccer moms?

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:05 PM

Screaminhelo

I would also recommend that, if they really want to continue to serve the modeling community, find someone who is familiar with the hobby to oversee this part of the business.  At least find someone who will reach out like this on a regular basis and keep in tune with the hobby.

 

Now THAT is a darned good idea.

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Posted by Tracy White on Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:45 PM

We've got a couple going in up in Washington...

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Posted by GreenThumb on Thursday, October 13, 2011 7:40 PM

Tell them to build some Hobby Lobby's here on the west coast so that we can have some say! Big Smile

Mike

 

 

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Posted by plumline on Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:03 PM

Yea Michaels is getting the same way not to much aircraft or armor but the do have a good selection of car models.

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Posted by Screaminhelo on Thursday, October 13, 2011 9:00 AM

I'll second the motion for More of the Monogram line and focusing on kits below $50.  I would also like to see a full selection of paint colors.  I realize that this may mean that they go with a single line to keep expenses down and please both the car guys and the military guys.  I can usually saticfy my other needs by checking out other departments in the store.

I would also recommend that, if they really want to continue to serve the modeling community, find someone who is familiar with the hobby to oversee this part of the business.  At least find someone who will reach out like this on a regular basis and keep in tune with the hobby.

 

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:26 PM

DoogsATX:  Good to know.  Thanks for setting me straight.

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Posted by Gamera on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:05 PM

Chris: We don't have a Hobby Lobby around here so I haven't read this till now. I buy most of my models at shows and off the internet, but love having two nice hobby shops nearby to buy paint at. I hate it when I need paint and find I'm either out or it's dried up and it's annoying to order a couple bottles on-line, wait several days for them to show up, and end up paying more in S&H than you paid for the paint.

So I'll echo the comments on if there was a Hobby Lobby near here the biggest thing I'd like to see is a well stocked selection of paint and supplies.

Cliff

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:20 AM

Cadet Chuck

I don't think that will work.  You have to be an FSM subscriber and register to have access to the forum, I believe.  He will probably be unable to open the link, if you send it to him.

Nope.

You have to be registered (but not a subscriber) to post.

But you don't have to be registered to view. I know because half the time when I look at the forums on my iPhone, I'm not logged in. But I can still browse around.

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:09 AM

I don't think that will work.  You have to be an FSM subscriber and register to have access to the forum, I believe.  He will probably be unable to open the link, if you send it to him.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by dirkpitt77 on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:24 AM

Thanks Hans.  I think at this point though I'll just send him the link to this thread so he can read through it.

 

       Chris

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 5:33 AM

Hans von Hammer

Anyone read this part of the original post?

I am soliciting comments from you all to send back to Joel.  Feel free to post your thoughts, and try to keep them succinct so I can pack it all in an email back to him.  

Help the guy out, fer cryin' out loud... 

 

Stock the same inventory, as say, Great Models or Squadron, and then beat their prices.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:45 AM

Anyone read this part of the original post?

I am soliciting comments from you all to send back to Joel.  Feel free to post your thoughts, and try to keep them succinct so I can pack it all in an email back to him.  

Help the guy out, fer cryin' out loud... 

 

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Posted by Tracy White on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 6:53 PM

DoogsATX
...but when you can purchase a Dragon Tiger I on Dragon USA Online for like $32, or at your LHS for $65...I mean...that's not greed, that's just common sense.

No, actually, it's a valuation and decision. You value the cost of the model more than the immediacy of the source. I buy a few things online, mainly esoteric things that my local hobby shop doesn't want to order, but otherwise I try and buy from him as much as possible to keep him going for those times when I need a paint tonight or just want to go down and look over what's new. The higher price he has to charge is worth it to me to have that available.

Now, I doubt Hobby Lobby lets you open the box and paw through, and since we don't have any in my area yet (later this month apparently), I can't really give any input other than to say that a decent supply of kits would swing me away from stopping by the Michaels for other supplies.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:42 PM

Manstein's revenge

 they ARE NOT a good supplier of plastic model kits???  The selection on the internet stores is virtually limitless and almost always beats their prices...get over it already...

Very true Manny. I can get better prices and selection online but, since the oiginal poster is asking for input, it doesn't hurt to throw in a few ideas. Maybe it will eventually do some good. Wink

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Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:16 PM

Devil Dawg

Thanks for bearing with me and discussing this on a friendly level. I was afraid I was gonna start a little flame war here, but I've actually enjoyed the conversation. My wife takes no interest in discussing this kinda stuff (although she STRONGLY supports my modeling habit, just as I completely support her scrapbooking hobby), so it's good to be able talk about things here, even if it is on-line. As I've said earlier, I think I'm the only modeler in Carrollton, GA, so I don't get to discuss the nuances of modeling with anyone else.

How's the move coming along? Where are you moving to? I've moved so many times in my life that I've lost count (due to military and job commitments). Hope I get to stay here for a long time.

Oh, and what's a BT-7?

 

Gary Mason

 

I'm all for friendly if spirited conversation like this!

My wife's the same way...she's very happy that I've found something to decompress with (and at home, no less!), and bless her, she tries to feign interest the way I feign interest in shoes or in whatever she's fixing the kids for lunch...but this forum and my blog are really where I get to geek out about this stuff. 

The move's going...frustratingly. Trying to pack up a house with two small kids underfoot is, I think, taken from a lost chapter of Dante's Inferno. It's more psychological. I'm the sort that, once I get on a project, I want to focus on it until it's done. And you can't do that with kids around. So I've been...testy...lately. Good news is we close in two weeks, move in two and a half. And not far...10 minutes down the road. Slightly bigger house. Flatter (and much bigger) yard.

Oh...and this is a BT-7:

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 2:06 PM

DoogsATX

Honestly, I think the internet is THE reason (well, outside of general economic armageddon...but bad times always amplify trends) stores are closing and thinning inventory.

But I'm not about to turn my back on Great Models/Sprue Bros/Squadron/Hannants/etc out of some kind of protectionist tendency. We're buying plastic wrapped in plastic, stuffed into a cardboard box. I'm not the sort to hunt for the absolute lowest price, but when you can purchase a Dragon Tiger I on Dragon USA Online for like $32, or at your LHS for $65...I mean...that's not greed, that's just common sense.

You make a good point. I should not have used "greed". I still stand by the "impatience" comment, though. I'm as guilty of it as anyone, too. I guess my point is (and I did a very poor job of stating it) that I love going to the local hobby shops and just hanging out, talking shop, buying a few kits that I opened first just to see what was in the box before I bought 'em; seeing the models that other people built and displayed at the store; stuff like that. But those days (in my area, anyways) are long gone. I really miss doing those things. Hobby Lobby isn't that kind of place by any means, but at least I could just go and look at the kits, maybe buy one or two, pick up some supplies while there. But it's getting to the point that we won't be able to do that, either, unless car kits and railroad sets are your thing (I do have a few cars in the stash.... Big Smile ). Please understand, I'm not really complaining. I'm just disappointed about what has happened. I can't blame anyone for going on the internet and buying what they need because of price and availability. My issue is people complaining about what's happening and not realizing why. They're blaming the stores' management (indirectly) for doing away with selling the kits that they want. I think it's a good business decision by Hobby Lobby. It's unfortunate to see a lot of the mom & pop places go under, but they didn't have other departments of floral, home furniture, crafts, etc. to rely on like the large chain stores do. So, consequently, they had to shut their doors. I remember a while back when the overwhelming theory on that issue was that Wal-Mart was undercutting all the local mom & pops by selling kits, but I really don't think that was what really happened.

But, I've been in shops where someone was asking how much and how long to receive it when possibly ordering a kit or aftermarket set, and, when informed, decided to just go home and order it on the internet. And you can't blame them. Maybe Hobby Lobby could've discounted their prices instead of what they've decided to do, but I'm sure we're not seeing the big picture that they get to see. They also get to see the volume of the models that were selling, and, if it ain't moving, get rid of it.

Thanks for bearing with me and discussing this on a friendly level. I was afraid I was gonna start a little flame war here, but I've actually enjoyed the conversation. My wife takes no interest in discussing this kinda stuff (although she STRONGLY supports my modeling habit, just as I completely support her scrapbooking hobby), so it's good to be able talk about things here, even if it is on-line. As I've said earlier, I think I'm the only modeler in Carrollton, GA, so I don't get to discuss the nuances of modeling with anyone else.

How's the move coming along? Where are you moving to? I've moved so many times in my life that I've lost count (due to military and job commitments). Hope I get to stay here for a long time.

Oh, and what's a BT-7?

 

Gary Mason

 

Devil Dawg

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:35 PM

Devil Dawg

 Manstein's revenge:

The Hobby Lobby threads in this Forum kill me...eveeryone always wringing their hands and bemoaning the selection of plastic kits their local store has...when are you ***'s gonna figure out that they ARE NOT a good supplier of plastic model kits???  The selection on the interenet stores is virtually limitless and almost always beats their prices...get over it already...

 

Don't like e'm? Don't read 'em.

Brother, that's what I've been saying for years in here...

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