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  • Member since
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Posted by Devil Dawg on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 1:32 PM

Manstein's revenge

The Hobby Lobby threads in this Forum kill me...eveeryone always wringing their hands and bemoaning the selection of plastic kits their local store has...when are you ***'s gonna figure out that they ARE NOT a good supplier of plastic model kits???  The selection on the interenet stores is virtually limitless and almost always beats their prices...get over it already...

Don't like e'm? Don't read 'em.

Devil Dawg

On The Bench: Tamiya 1/32nd Mitsubishi A6M5 Model 52 Zeke For Japanese Group Build

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:26 PM

The Hobby Lobby threads in this Forum kill me...everyone always wringing their hands and bemoaning the selection of plastic kits their local store has...when are you ***'s gonna figure out that they ARE NOT a good supplier of plastic model kits???  The selection on the internet stores is virtually limitless and almost always beats their prices...get over it already...

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Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:22 PM

Devil Dawg

 

 DoogsATX:

 

Yeah.

Honestly, I think Hobby Lobby is past the point of no return as a one-stop shop for modelers. Same thing happened with Michaels years ago (they used to have an excellent model selection...at least the one by me...back in the early 90s). Whether due to flagging demand or poor pricing or inventory management, kits and supplies don't sell all that well. So the amount of space allocated to them gets cut. Kit selection dwindles. People stop coming in to buy kits, so they stop coming in. Next the paints get pared back. Supplies get pared back. Until you end up where Michaels is now...the ones near me have the little 1/4 oz Testors jars, some Revellogram kits. And that's it.

It's a vicious cycle. 

Meanwhile, back to UPS tracking to see how my Great Models order is coming...

 

 

Unfortunately, the Internet is a HUGE reason that the mom & pop stores, Hobby Lobby, and others are either closing, or thinning their modeling inventory. ALL of us are guilty of doing most of our shopping on-line now, and that has hurt local hobby shops' sales significantly. There was a HobbyTownUSA in Newnan, GA, until about a year ago. They closed down because they were losing sales to the Internet. But, you can read my comments about that over in the "Hobby Lobby Getting Of Aircraft Kits?" in the Aircraft Forum.

How's your modeling going? Whatcha got on the bench?

Honestly, I think the internet is THE reason (well, outside of general economic armageddon...but bad times always amplify trends) stores are closing and thinning inventory.

But I'm not about to turn my back on Great Models/Sprue Bros/Squadron/Hannants/etc out of some kind of protectionist tendency. We're buying plastic wrapped in plastic, stuffed into a cardboard box. I'm not the sort to hunt for the absolute lowest price, but when you can purchase a Dragon Tiger I on Dragon USA Online for like $32, or at your LHS for $65...I mean...that's not greed, that's just common sense.

Likewise...that Great Models order I'm waiting on...they had a Trumpeter sale and I picked up the 1/350 BB-55 North Carolina and 1/32 P-47N both for substantially less than I've seen them elsewhere. 

I do buy from my LHS, but I try to focus my purchases there on things that don't get discounted. Tasca kits are a great example. Or Bronco, too. In those cases, I order them from the LHS, then use my 20% off coupon (it gets bounced back to you if you spend more than $50). I try to buy paints and supplies from them, too, but their inventory can be very inconsistent, they don't stock all the paints I use, and I don't want to wait two weeks for a bottle of Olive Drab to arrive. 

So...I buy from all over. The way I see it the hobby is evolving to reflect the global supply chain you see in things like auto manufacturing. Kit from Great Models. Decals and paint from Sprue Brothers. Obscure turned metal things from somewhere in Poland. Masks from the Czech Republic. Glue and sheet styrene and some resin wheels from the LHS. All coming together in one kit.

As for my own modeling, my bench is 75% dismantled for the move. Been building tanks up to the paint phase and moving on. I'm on #5 now (Tamiya BT-7), but do I ever miss aircraft!

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:15 AM

DoogsATX

Yeah.

Honestly, I think Hobby Lobby is past the point of no return as a one-stop shop for modelers. Same thing happened with Michaels years ago (they used to have an excellent model selection...at least the one by me...back in the early 90s). Whether due to flagging demand or poor pricing or inventory management, kits and supplies don't sell all that well. So the amount of space allocated to them gets cut. Kit selection dwindles. People stop coming in to buy kits, so they stop coming in. Next the paints get pared back. Supplies get pared back. Until you end up where Michaels is now...the ones near me have the little 1/4 oz Testors jars, some Revellogram kits. And that's it.

It's a vicious cycle. 

Meanwhile, back to UPS tracking to see how my Great Models order is coming...

Unfortunately, the Internet is a HUGE reason that the mom & pop stores, Hobby Lobby, and others are either closing, or thinning their modeling inventory. ALL of us are guilty of doing most of our shopping on-line now, and that has hurt local hobby shops' sales significantly. There was a HobbyTownUSA in Newnan, GA, until about a year ago. They closed down because they were losing sales to the Internet. But, you can read my comments about that over in the "Hobby Lobby Getting Of Aircraft Kits?" in the Aircraft Forum.

How's your modeling going? Whatcha got on the bench?

 

Devil Dawg

On The Bench: Tamiya 1/32nd Mitsubishi A6M5 Model 52 Zeke For Japanese Group Build

Build one at a time? Hah! That'll be the day!!

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:08 AM

Cadet Chuck

Devil Dawg:  I used to live in Marietta, and nearby in Kennesaw, near Town Center Mall, is the largest Hobby Town store in the country- with an amazing assortment of inventory.  I could usually find anything I needed there.  I hope they are still there.  Perhaps you already know about this place.

Hey, Cadet! Yep, it's still there. I haven't been to it in quite awhile (maybe 2 years), as it's about 55 miles from my house. I do need to get back up there one of these days. I'm having a hard time justifying adding more kits to the stash (ok, ok - I'm not having THAT hard of a time.......). It is nice to just go and peruse and smell the paints and glue, though........... Propeller

Where do you live now? I used to live in Smyrna, GA, back in 1997 - 1998. Moved to Indy after that, then to Carrollton back in 2007.

Devil Dawg

On The Bench: Tamiya 1/32nd Mitsubishi A6M5 Model 52 Zeke For Japanese Group Build

Build one at a time? Hah! That'll be the day!!

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:57 AM

I visit Hobby Lobby at least one a week to see if anything new has arrived. Unfortunately, their modeling inventory has been the same for the four years I have been going there. The only change is the shrinking modeling selection that I have been observing during my visits. A larger selection of paints and tools will be a welcomed addition, not only to us plastic builders but the model RR community.  

 

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Posted by DoogsATX on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:47 AM

Devil Dawg

 

 DoogsATX:

 

Here's what I'd like to see. Ideally, but keeping in mind Hobby Lobby is NOT a model shop:

3 - Paint. UGH. Ideally, Hobby Lobby would be a one-stop for paint. I'd rather go there than Hobbytown. Bring back the real selection of Model Maser enamels. Heck. Become a Vallejo distributor. Bring in Alclads. Provide variety in paint, and I'll be in there all the friggin' time.

 

 

I feel what you're saying, Doogs, but, unfortunately, Hobby Lobby can't make their business decisions based solely on one person's desires. I would love to see exactly what you've described at my local Hobby Lobby, but, I understand why they're doing what they are because this area just does not support a plastic model hobby.

Yeah.

Honestly, I think Hobby Lobby is past the point of no return as a one-stop shop for modelers. Same thing happened with Michaels years ago (they used to have an excellent model selection...at least the one by me...back in the early 90s). Whether due to flagging demand or poor pricing or inventory management, kits and supplies don't sell all that well. So the amount of space allocated to them gets cut. Kit selection dwindles. People stop coming in to buy kits, so they stop coming in. Next the paints get pared back. Supplies get pared back. Until you end up where Michaels is now...the ones near me have the little 1/4 oz Testors jars, some Revellogram kits. And that's it.

It's a vicious cycle. 

Meanwhile, back to UPS tracking to see how my Great Models order is coming...

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 9:26 AM

Devil Dawg:  I used to live in Marietta, and nearby in Kennesaw, near Town Center Mall, is the largest Hobby Town store in the country- with an amazing assortment of inventory.  I could usually find anything I needed there.  I hope they are still there.  Perhaps you already know about this place.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:17 AM

DoogsATX

Here's what I'd like to see. Ideally, but keeping in mind Hobby Lobby is NOT a model shop:

3 - Paint. UGH. Ideally, Hobby Lobby would be a one-stop for paint. I'd rather go there than Hobbytown. Bring back the real selection of Model Maser enamels. Heck. Become a Vallejo distributor. Bring in Alclads. Provide variety in paint, and I'll be in there all the friggin' time.

I feel what you're saying, Doogs, but, unfortunately, Hobby Lobby can't make their business decisions based solely on one person's desires. I would love to see exactly what you've described at my local Hobby Lobby, but, I understand why they're doing what they are because this area just does not support a plastic model hobby. The nearest mom & pop hobby shop to me is 20 miles away in Newnan, GA, and they're geared more towards R/C than static models, and that's because that is what's popular around here. The nearest modeling club (for plastic models) is 50 miles from me, through Atlanta traffic, so it would take me almost 1.5 hours to get there. The Atlanta area only has two mom & pop stores (that I know of, anyway) in operation that support plastic modeling. The rest are big into railroading and R/C planes and cars. This is an area with over 5 million people, so you'd think there would be a little more interest than that in plastic models. I've thought about getting a club going here (in Carrollton, which is about 40 miles west of Atlanta, near the Alabama state line, just south of I-20), but can't find anyone else in this area interested in plastic modeling (I haven't given up on that idea, though!!).

Maybe this forum thread will get some results from Hobby Lobby. I sure hope so. I've already seen way too many mom & pop operations go down over the years. Seeing Hobby Lobby take over some of that market niche a few years ago was good to see. Hopefully, they will take what we're saying here to heart, and make some decisions that will benefit us all.

Devil Dawg

On The Bench: Tamiya 1/32nd Mitsubishi A6M5 Model 52 Zeke For Japanese Group Build

Build one at a time? Hah! That'll be the day!!

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Posted by Devil Dawg on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:57 AM

I noticed this at the Hobby Lobby here in Carrollton, Georgia, about a month ago, and asked the lady rearranging and restocking the modeling shelves what was going on. She said that Hobby Lobby was reducing it's modeling inventory (mainly models), and keeping only the more popular kits, which, in this area, seems to be mainly cars. The only military stuff (i.e. planes, tanks, ships, rockets) that they will keep (at this location, anyway) will be mainly modern-era jets, with only a small smattering of prop jobs, tanks, and ships (if any) to be on the shelves. After going back a few weeks later, what she described is exactly what I see on the shelves now. A LOT of automotive models (a whole row of shelving filled with them), with just a few military kits (maybe one quarter of a row of shelves, which is about 25% of what this particular Hobby Lobby used to carry). They kept mainly modern-era jets, but just a few of the WWII and Korean era military kits are on the discount shelf awaiting to be bought. Not sure what happened to the rest of them. The only WWII and Korean aircraft still on the normal shelves are the die cast kits (mainly 1/72nd scale), and a few snap-together kits. There are a few tanks as well, but no more ships, other than what's on the discount shelf. I, too, was saddened to see this, but I can understand the business decisions behind this. I think I was the only person in this area buying military stuff, as I always saw the same kits on the shelves for months at a time, and when I bought one, it was never replaced with another. The restocking lady said that the car kits sold pretty well here, but the military stuff didn't. Again, you can't blame Hobby Lobby for making this decision. If the models aren't selling, they have to do something about it. Hopefully, they'll do this on a store-by-store basis, and the areas in which models sell well will get to keep the modeling shelves well-stocked.

Devil Dawg

On The Bench: Tamiya 1/32nd Mitsubishi A6M5 Model 52 Zeke For Japanese Group Build

Build one at a time? Hah! That'll be the day!!

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Posted by panzerpilot on Monday, October 10, 2011 10:29 PM

TREYZX10R

I'm with Hans bring up the paint inventory

Agreed. Paint. Acrylics. Al Clad. Sandpaper as well. Some micromesh stuff, or even Tamiya or Revell multipacks.

-Tom

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Monday, October 10, 2011 10:25 PM

I'd  like to see them add Tamiya paints- acrylic in bottles and synthetic laquer in spray cans.

Also, higher quality aircraft kits from Tamiya and Hasegawa.  And reduce the number of car kits.

It was nice to hear the response you posted from the Hobby Lobby office.

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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Posted by TREYZX10R on Monday, October 10, 2011 10:20 PM

I'm with Hans bring up the paint inventory

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Posted by JailCop on Monday, October 10, 2011 10:14 PM

Closest Hobby Lobby to me is Syracuse, NY, over an hour drive one way.  The Watertown, NY area would be a prime area for a new store...3 divisions all due back to Fort Drum from deployments in the near future along with the 1 already home, plus the garrison and surrounding area make for a good customer base.

 

It would be nice to see Tamiya paint stocked.

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, October 10, 2011 9:51 PM

Very simple...

Carry the entire Revell/Monogram line of aircraft and armor kits...

Add more and varied 1/35th and 1/48th figure sets...

I love Testor's and Testor's Model Master, but let's get some others in there... Don't care what, as long as the price is under $4.00 a bottle...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by SteveM on Monday, October 10, 2011 6:03 PM

I have particular tastes when it comes to kits I'll buy. They will never stock what I like, and I have long been OK with that. I still spend a lot of money with Hobby Lobby. As a dio builder, my "finds" are outside of their modeling aisles. Their "dio" section seems more for elementary school students' science fairs.

However, I will say that, of the HLs I frequent (3 in my general area), nothing has changed in their model kit aisle for a long long time... in some cases, not for years. Same old models, nothin new, nothing sold, not even after being discounted. Dust. Cobwebs. It makes me a little sad to go down that aisle.

That sounds like a gripe and, having stated as much, I'll offer some positive feedback:

As mentioned, they now have a "dio" section, and it seems to grow monthly. Nice. Maybe some more scratch building materials. Evergreen, Plastruct, Midwest.

In my opinion, although I would love to see them stock Vallejo paints, Vallejo might be kinda specialized. However, if I walked in and saw a Vallejo kiosk, I would just about sh@rt myself with glee. And then I would buy lots of Vallejo.

I don't have much more feedback for their modeling stock. Fact is, I don't want them to focus on it anyway. Modeling supplies are heavily marked up by the "manufacturers". Seems like most "manufacturers" buy their stuff from places like Hobby Lobby, and then repackage with marked up prices.

 

Steve M.

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Posted by Pvt Mutt on Monday, October 10, 2011 5:38 PM

I did buy just about all my modelling supplies at Hobby Lobby and Dragon Model tank kits when they were in stock but now I very seldom darken your doorway anymore.

Tony lee

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Posted by TD4438 on Monday, October 10, 2011 5:34 PM

My stash has plenty to keep me busy,but I'll always need supplies.A good selection of paint is well worth a long drive.

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Posted by SteveM on Monday, October 10, 2011 5:27 PM

Glad to hear that Hobby Lobby is committed to their hobby department.

 

Steve M.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Monday, October 10, 2011 5:24 PM

Here's what I'd like to see. Ideally, but keeping in mind Hobby Lobby is NOT a model shop:

1 - Decent (and sometimes changing) selection of reasonably priced kits. Revellograms, fine. Some of the more budget-y 1/48 Tamiyas. No more Swordfishes or Trumpeter Arizonas or whatnot. Max price for any kit in there should be $50. 

2 - Supplies. I really like the addition of flex-i-file gear. I really like the Iwata airbrush gear, the micro brushes, so on. Keep it up.

3 - Paint. UGH. Ideally, Hobby Lobby would be a one-stop for paint. I'd rather go there than Hobbytown. Bring back the real selection of Model Maser enamels. Heck. Become a Vallejo distributor. Bring in Alclads. Provide variety in paint, and I'll be in there all the friggin' time.

On the Bench: 1/32 Trumpeter P-47 | 1/32 Hasegawa Bf 109G | 1/144 Eduard MiG-21MF x2

On Deck:  1/350 HMS Dreadnought

Blog/Completed Builds: doogsmodels.com

 

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Hobby Lobby wants your input!
Posted by dirkpitt77 on Monday, October 10, 2011 4:56 PM

About a month ago, after another lackluster visit to Hobby Lobby, I wrote their customer service dept. in order to elicit some information out of them regarding their quickly shrinking model aisle.  As most of us know, that aisle has been shrinking steadily over the last few years, to our dismay.   Here is the exchange:

 

"So, I posted up a comment on Facebook regarding the drastic reduction in quantity and variety of plastic models at HL. I can tell you the modeling community is concerned, as I've read quite a few comments on various modeling forums regarding this issue. I am sad to see it happen because you used to have a really good selection of kits and supplies. Your competitor here in my town also sells models, but their customer service is horrible, so I don't patronize them. Thus, Hobby Lobby was my go-to store for modeling stuff for some time. I'm almost certain I've spent hundreds or maybe thousands of dollars (which may not sound like much to a big corporation, but it's a lot to me) with you over the years. Alas, no more. It seems you've made a business decision to phase out or greatly reduce your showing in this category, which I suppose is understandable, but disappointing. I've built almost everything you stock in the genres that interest me. Anyway, my question is, can you write me back and detail exactly what the reasons are for the paring down of the modeling aisle? What is the name and position of the person who made that decision, and what factors went into it? I'd like to be able to pass this info on to the modeling community of which I am a part, so if you can please be as specific and detailed as possible. Thanks for your time, Chris N."

 

   Here is their response:

 

"Thank you for coming directly to us with your concerns.  We are not eliminating models, though we are in the process of redesigning the hobbies department. 
 
The basic footprint (size) of the hobbies department has changed slightly.  Some categories will be reduced...others increased.  It all depends on what was and is selling.  Our focus will be to bring in more unique items for our customers model and hobby needs.
 
What has changed is our system of creating volumes of markdowns.  No business can survive selling goods for less than what they paid for them.  Therefore, our hobby buyers are striving to fill the available space with the “best of the best” styles from the same quality suppliers we’ve partnered with for many years.  We are committed to our hobby department and are taking measures to make sure it will be profitable while continuing to be a quality source for our customers for years to come.        
 
Thank you for letting us address your concerns and this possible rumor.  We appreciate your patience and support during this transition time.  I have forwarded your comments to our buyers to review.  Thank you, Joel Jackson..."

 "Hi Joel,

 

     Thanks for responding so quickly to my email.  It was very informative.  I hope to see some positive changes.   Do you mind if I pass on your comments in the modeling forums I frequent online?  

     Thanks again,

      Chris N. "

 

"Hi Chris,

It would be great if you passed that along.  Also, we would like feedback on products if you or your friends have any.  Thanks, Joel Jackson..."

 

 

    With the above in mind, I am soliciting comments from you all to send back to Joel.  Feel free to post your thoughts, and try to keep them succinct so I can pack it all in an email back to him.   Don't know if anything will come of it, but I thought it'd be interesting to see if HL is really listening or not.

 

            Thanks!

 

                         Chris

    

 

 

 


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