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The stash: A detriment to modeling?
Posted by PaintsWithBrush on Saturday, March 31, 2012 9:36 PM

A few years back, after a long hiatus, I returned to the hobby. This was directly as a result of seeing FSM and GSM on the shelf of a local bookstore rekindling the desire to take a step back into (what I remembered to be) the "good 'ol days".  My favorite genre was always 1/48 WWII American aircraft so I set about the task of doing those I did as a kid and decided to make as my ultimate goal of this return to be an example of each of the vehicles used throughout the US involvement. Not every variant of each,  just a single representative.

The accumulation of the kits went along well enough and the construction went at a rate of about one every month (sometimes a bit quicker, sometime a bit slower) through the completion of 21 units on the shelves. There were a few side steps with 1/32  and 1/35 armor but I managed to keep a "finish one, start another" ethic for a good amount of time but then a curious thing happened: I had accumulated a stash the fulfilled the task of gathering together the aircraft and I suddenly found myself having to "push" to get to the table.

I used a couple of real world 1:1 vintage motorcycle projects and a return to some race team development  work to try and shake things up and while that has been on a very limited schedule, I still find myself unable to actually reach into that pile of boxes to grab 1/48 aircraft project number 22. I have a few 1/32 aircraft and some nice pilot and mechanic figures to spice them up as well but just can't seem to screw together the (heck, I can't even come up with the descriptive word) to get back in front of a table of scattered sprues.

Is it the stash itself? Can the "overload" of fulfilling a "completion" even in just an "in the box" capacity create in the mind  sense of having "achieved" a goal? Would one be better served to not "stock" ahead of "build"? I realize that since the most common source for kit purchase is an internet based major player like Sprue Bros. or Squadron and it wouldn't make economic sense to but a single kit at a time when the threshold for "free shipping" is usually $100 but I feel like I cancelled my motivation on the "build" side with my "completion" on the "stash" side.

I ask the headline question in relation to it's effect on the motivation to build only.

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Posted by DoogsATX on Saturday, March 31, 2012 10:50 PM

Not at all, in my case. Now, if I say I'm going to build kit X, kit Y, and kit Z next, odds are when it comes to it I'll actually end up doing kits R, K, and Q instead. The more I lock myself into a build beforehand, the less inclined I am when the time arrives. But that's a planning trap, not a stash trap.

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:03 PM

I find its the painting of the kit thats the detriment for me. If i could just grab an airbrush and spray at my workbench, id be pumping out a kit every 2 weeks. But because i have to go out onto the balcony with a rattle can, and because i can only do it when my partners not home (it affects her asthma, doesnt affect mine for some reason) i get to the paint point and move on to another build.

I also find because i know what its meant to be like, i get nervous about screwing it up. So i put the kit to one side till i can figure it out. 

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Posted by TarnShip on Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:20 PM

under the strict parameters of allowable answers

No

having the kits you want to build for a set theme (a stash), is far less detrimental to the kits being built than any of the following

not having any kits to build

having a lot of kits, but, none of them fit your theme

there not being a kit of the thing you want to build for your collection

there once being a kit of the thing you want, but, it is OOP, and you can't find one for sale anymore, anywhere

there once being a kit of the thing you want to continue your theme, but, it is OOP, and there ARE some available,,,,,,but, they would cost more than the car you drive to get one today

there is a current version of the model you want, it is for sale today, but, you can't get one for any of the possible reasons for that happening to a modeler

not having motivation to build a model is rooted somewhere besides in "having the kit on your shelf at your place"

my own stash inspires me to choose a subject to start anytime I take a minute to look at it,,,,,the worst it could do is cause me to have too many going at once

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, April 1, 2012 7:35 AM

I do find that I have a tendency  to want to build the latest kit I have bought, instead of reaching for something in the stash.  However, at other times something peaks my interest- maybe something I see on TV, in a movie, or in a book, and I remember that I have something related in the stash, and that does then go on the bench.  Also, clubs I belong to are doing more and more challenge competitions, and I may have something in the stash that would meet the challenge.  But indeed I find myself building more of the recently bought stuff so my stash seems to age a lot.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by cwalker3 on Sunday, April 1, 2012 12:25 PM

It sounds to me that you're just in a place where modeling isn't at the top of your list of recreational actvities. We all go though it. I haven't completed a kit since 2009. I'm still interested in the hobby. I still buy a kit from time to time. I check several modeling sites daily and subscribe to FSM. I just haven't felt like building anything. As far as the stash is concerned, I don't have a large one, maybe 25 kits, but I definitely want to build every one of them. Seeing them just sitting on the shelf in their box is more irritating than anything because I want to see them built. I really hope that the bug bites me again and I get back to the bench. If not I'm not going to fret over it. It's just a hobby.

Cary

 


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Posted by tankboy51 on Sunday, April 1, 2012 4:25 PM

Nope, my stash numbers around 2000.  Almost everything is something I have a interest in.  I build and finish about 2-5 kits a month.  If anything, that number of kits to build keeps my creativity going.  I may be unusual in that I never had a gap in my life, (60 years) where I wasn't building or buying.  And this started at 9. 

  I have a good basement work area.  Plenty of ventilation and I can work all year.  My system is one under construction, one in the painting/drying stage, and one being pre-selected  to build.  I often end up with 2 being done fairly close together.   I usually can do my work in the pm and spend about 1 to 3 hours a night.  Weekends don't get a lot of build time in as that is time for my wife and other house things.

 I quit going overboard on details years ago.  I found that that stuff doesn't matter to me.  I just try to get a good build with a nice paint job and a bit of weathering.  Oh I will do some extra stuff here and there, but I could never take a year to finish.  Why be in the hobby if you never finish anything?  I never could understand that.  Might as well take up stamp collecting or some other hobby.

And I don't spend a whole lot of time on the net.  In fact I should be building now, got the Accurate Miniatures B 25 "Dirty Dora" going right now.  Just finished a Tamiya Me-109E and a Japanese Naval Tank and a Leopard 2 A6 M Canadian, with Bar Armor, among others.  So off I go!

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Posted by Reasoned on Monday, April 2, 2012 2:41 PM

Wow, interesting question.  I look at the stash (which grew WAY too fast last year) just ask my wifeWink, and see a lot of great possibilities waiting.  Having gotten back into the hobby a yr ago it's still exciting (I hope it always does) and i've learned a TON on here from the members.

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Posted by Hercmech on Monday, April 2, 2012 2:45 PM

I build the models in my stash in my mind way quicker and way better than they turn out in reality


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Posted by Griffin on Monday, April 2, 2012 3:08 PM

Hercmech

I build the models in my stash in my mind way quicker and way better than they turn out in reality

Ain't that the truth!?!?!

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Posted by DoogsATX on Monday, April 2, 2012 3:18 PM

Hercmech

I build the models in my stash in my mind way quicker and way better than they turn out in reality

Me too...but they never do well at contests...stupid judges insisting on seeing them...

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Posted by Electric Blues on Monday, April 2, 2012 3:26 PM

I have a stash of about 200 kits and love it. I'm always looking forward to my next build and the best thing is that it's already waiting for me there on my shelves. If for any reason I couldn't purchase any more lits, I'd be perfectly happy to build the ones I already have.

There are another 30 kits I have that I've set aside for sale or trade. Most of these were not well thought out impulse buys.

 

 

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Posted by fermis on Monday, April 2, 2012 9:52 PM

I have definitely noticed a difference in my habits, since I aquired a stash. For the longest time, my "stash" was the kit that I was working on. When it was FINISHED, I'd buy another. Now, when I finish one, I tend to stare at the stash for a few days, talking to myself. I'll go through 4-5 kits, trying to get started, but just throw em back. The problem is, I overthink the finished product.....and the amount of work needed to achieve that finish desired. It seems as though, the ones that I don't really have a final plan on, are the most relaxing and turn out the best. I guess what I'm trying to say is ....don't focus on FINISHING.....focus on DOING!!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 2, 2012 10:01 PM

fermis

...I overthink the finished product.....and the amount of work needed to achieve that finish desired. It seems as though, the ones that I don't really have a final plan on, are the most relaxing and turn out the best. I guess what I'm trying to say is ....don't focus on FINISHING.....focus on DOING!!!

Couldn't have said it better myself...

...its not the stash that stops you, its YOU that stops you...

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Posted by stikpusher on Monday, April 2, 2012 10:53 PM

No, my stash is not a detriment to my model building at all. Technically speaking, I have had one all of my adult life, as a few kits I had bought in high school were never built and put in storage when I left for the Ft Benning Finishing School for Boys. They were still there years later when I can home and brought back most of the kits that I had built while on active duty, and began to standardize my building- 1/35 armor and 1/48 aircraft. Any kits from my high school stash not in those categories were sold off and I began anew. For many years my stash was never more than a dozen kits, as my free time for building easily kept pace with my money available for purchases. Then came financial good times, longer hours away from home and hobby with work and the Guard, and the stash enabler- the internet and Ebay Surprise. My stash multiplied like breeding rabbits, while time demands and new building and finishing techniques resulted in fewer completions. Then with the recession the "happy time" ended. But like the ant of the fable, I now have enough kits stored in my stash to see me through the rest of my natural life. And when modelers block hits, I can go through my stash and its' variety of subjects until the building bug bites again and I have a kit that strikes my fancy in hand to jump on. Then the stash is anything but a detriment and instead an asset.

 

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Posted by Hans von Hammer on Monday, April 2, 2012 11:53 PM

My main issue is that I aquire kits faster than I build, and in the last couple of years, have succumbed to AMS, rather than turning out dioramas... I need to re-focus on just suoer-detailing the areas that will show in the diorama, or are esstential to the story, and forget about building the unseen stuff (which includes stuff that may be exposed but impossible to see without lifting it up, which can't be done once installed on the diorama)..

I got caught up in scratch-building and super-detailing too much, trying to prove to the "Kit-Pickers"  that, with some imagination and bench-top engineering (Imagineering) and a well-stocked parts-box, one doesn't need to buy the latest & greatest $50-100.00 kits and another $40-50.00-worth of resin and photo-etch that a $12-20.00 Revellogram kit is enough to make a real head-turner...

Last count, I think I have enough kits to last me until 2032... At which point I'll be 83...  So I'm done buying anything new..

Unless... I find a 60-70s Monogram or Revell kit that I don't have on-hand, or need another one of, or  just gotta have because it's THERE...

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Posted by Reasoned on Tuesday, April 3, 2012 6:46 AM

Hans von Hammer

Last count, I think I have enough kits to last me until 2032... At which point I'll be 83...  So I'm done buying anything new..

Unless... I find a 60-70s Monogram or Revell kit that I don't have on-hand, or need another one of, or  just gotta have because it's THERE...

Did I tell you what I found in the basement of my LHS this time.....? Whistling

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Posted by TarnShip on Tuesday, April 3, 2012 7:14 AM

I know what you mean Hans, about those old kits from Monogram molds.

I have a very difficult time resisting the 1/72 Tigercat, Bearcat and Skyraider models I see at discounts at shows, etc

I seem to pick up just about every USN or USAF version of their Phantom that I walk past, also

My collection is supposed to be all here, in the stash, waiting in a longggg build line,,,,,,but, those 5 kits just draw me in, maybe to use the decals that got put into the "left over" pile?

I do know that there are far worse "quick builds" out there than the Bearcat molding,,,,it makes a very nice looking model if you have plenty of markings, and don't want to do a "full meal detail deal" on a kit

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Posted by PaintsWithBrush on Tuesday, April 3, 2012 7:40 PM

Manstein's revenge
...its not the stash that stops you, its YOU that stops you...

It was me that stopped me, I know that. I just wonder if I outran myself with a false "completion" of my ultimate goal. I've joined that crew of "I just seemed to lose interest" posters that bemoan their lot and need to hear that it was really some outside force conspiring against my love of the hobby rather than face the reality that no hobby can burn eternally with the brilliance of it's glory times.

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Posted by Wingman_kz on Tuesday, April 3, 2012 9:15 PM

Well, I don't know if the size of the stash was the problem or not but that's what I blamed it on. During my first few years back I accumulated a sizeable stash. Almost 600 auto kits. It seemed that it was so easy to set a build aside anytime I hit a difficult spot and start another. I sold all but the ones I wanted the most. Cut it down to about 75 kits. And now that I've been building military subjects I've kept that stash down to about 15 - 16 kits. Seems to work for me.

Tony

            

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Posted by bondoman on Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:15 AM

Hans von Hammer

Last count, I think I have enough kits to last me until 2032... At which point I'll be 83...

No you won't be! You're younger than me, and I'll be 76. So you have time for another 30 or so.

I don't have a stash, unless you count 20 or so. but I give away at least 5, trade 5 and will never build 5 of those, so I run pretty close to the mark every year. I only buy one or two kits a year so pretty soon there'll be none at all.

Where I get bogged down (the detriment part) is that whenever I do but a kit, I then buy every AM thingie for it that I can find, on the principle (sound) that if I don't, I won't be able to find it when I do build the kit.

So when I do start a new kit, there's a whole bunch of stuff in the box to deal with.

I think it's a pretty economical practice (I'm really cheap) but it does complicate the schedule.

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Posted by DURR on Wednesday, April 4, 2012 1:15 PM

maybe having tooooo large a stash is like  the inbox at work   it becomes so overloaded   you begin to debate every morning as to going or calling out sick

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Posted by Dre on Wednesday, April 4, 2012 2:34 PM

I don't know if a large stash is a detriment to modeling or not, but I do know that after my own stash reached an unmanageable (for me) level, I quit buying kits and AM goodies.  Now, I just have to build what's there...

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, April 4, 2012 2:43 PM

Dre

I don't know if a large stash is a detriment to modeling or not, but I do know that after my own stash reached an unmanageable (for me) level, I quit buying kits and AM goodies.  Now, I just have to build what's there...

That's when you sell portions of the stash to make room for more...

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 4, 2012 3:35 PM

PaintsWithBrush

 Manstein's revenge:
...its not the stash that stops you, its YOU that stops you...

 

It was me that stopped me, I know that. I just wonder if I outran myself with a false "completion" of my ultimate goal. I've joined that crew of "I just seemed to lose interest" posters that bemoan their lot and need to hear that it was really some outside force conspiring against my love of the hobby rather than face the reality that no hobby can burn eternally with the brilliance of it's glory times.

...yes...

Dre
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Posted by Dre on Wednesday, April 4, 2012 3:50 PM

DoogsATX

 

 Dre:

 

I don't know if a large stash is a detriment to modeling or not, but I do know that after my own stash reached an unmanageable (for me) level, I quit buying kits and AM goodies.  Now, I just have to build what's there...

 

 

That's when you sell portions of the stash to make room for more...

 

Sell the precious?   Silly hobbitses....

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Posted by DoogsATX on Wednesday, April 4, 2012 4:02 PM

Dre

 

 DoogsATX:

 

 

 Dre:

 

I don't know if a large stash is a detriment to modeling or not, but I do know that after my own stash reached an unmanageable (for me) level, I quit buying kits and AM goodies.  Now, I just have to build what's there...

 

 

That's when you sell portions of the stash to make room for more...

 

 

 

Sell the precious?   Silly hobbitses....

Tastes change, wants change, impulse buys get regretted. 

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Posted by Dre on Wednesday, April 4, 2012 4:20 PM

Guilty, guilty and finally...  guilty to all counts listed.

I really should join the modern era and see for myself what this "Ebay" is all about.

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Posted by Reasoned on Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:26 PM

Dre

Guilty, guilty and finally...  guilty to all counts listed.

I really should join the modern era and see for myself what this "Ebay" is all about.

Devil Yeah, now you're talking...

Angel Don't do it, you'll hate yourself later....

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Posted by Cadet Chuck on Wednesday, April 4, 2012 9:40 PM

Don Stauffer

I do find that I have a tendency  to want to build the latest kit I have bought, instead of reaching for something in the stash.  However, at other times something peaks my interest- maybe something I see on TV, in a movie, or in a book, and I remember that I have something related in the stash, and that does then go on the bench.  Also, clubs I belong to are doing more and more challenge competitions, and I may have something in the stash that would meet the challenge.  But indeed I find myself building more of the recently bought stuff so my stash seems to age a lot.

I find myself doing the same.  The latest and greatest kit purchase is the one I want to dig into first.  I have a lot of nice stuff in the stash, but never seem to go back to work on them.  Example:  The recent arrival of the Tamiya 1/32 P-51 D.  I just had to start working on that one as soon as I got it!

Gimme a pigfoot, and a bottle of beer...

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