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Box art- fact Vs fiction ?
Posted by Wirraway on Sunday, April 12, 2015 12:06 AM
I was looking at the box art for my Pro Modeller 1/32 Heinkel He 111. One Spitfire going down in flames while another one is getting the business from the Heinkel Rear gunner. Just struck me as unlikely. But I suppose that's what box art is all about ? Portraying the subject in a warlike (and victorious) atmosphere ? I suppose box art showing the subject model going down in flames would'nt sell too well. Anyone seen other box art that just seems to defy the capabilities of the machine ? Or seems to defy history ? (I'm thinking of the old 1/32 Revell Tomcat with a Russian Mig (25?) in flames.

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, April 12, 2015 12:09 AM

I DO remember seeing a model of a B-17 which was shown being attacked, with a burning engine.

I have a model of a Mig-19 by someone like A model that shows not one but two F-4s in flames. Turns out to be true however not all at once.

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Posted by jtilley on Sunday, April 12, 2015 12:40 AM

Box art isn't intended to depict actual historical events. It's intended to sell models. The artists work to the requirements of the manufacturers.

For a while there was a semi-moratorium in Europe on scenes with violence in them for box art. Several Airfix box illustrations got modified to remove flak bursts, flaming cockpits, aircraft crashing, etc. I don't know what the legal ramifications are nowadays, but it seems like American and British box art doesn't have much violence in it any more.

Compare this to the original box art of, for instance, the old Aurora Fokker D-VII, which showed the airplane on fire and the pilot either wounded or dead.

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Posted by BLACKSMITHN on Wednesday, April 15, 2015 5:29 AM

Well, it's marketing. Like showing people having fun driving their Pinto rather than showing one bursting into flames from a rear end fender bender.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Wednesday, April 15, 2015 8:37 AM

I suspect research by the artist depends a lot on the individual artist.  Some seem to do a lot of research and the depicted aircraft are quite authentic, others appear to be real flights of fancy.  So I think the answer to the question is- it depends.

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Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:19 AM

Remember those Monogram double-kits from the mid-late 80's? It was always the German plane on the receiving end. Was just looking at the Do.335/P-47 box art with the 335 on fire, under attack by the P-47.

I guess one of them had to lose, hey?

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Posted by Chrisk-k on Wednesday, April 15, 2015 4:43 PM

I remember a box art depicting a Jagdpanther in Africa about 35 years ago.  I thought it was the coolest thing.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Wednesday, April 15, 2015 6:30 PM

Many Yarens Ago ;

  There was a company called REVELL of Venice , California .The Box art was done by many accomplished artists .There was , to me the best when it came to ships . John Steele was the absolute best in his field and the Box art showed it . After going in the service I got to live some of those bad weather scenes .

   I understand that today His art and others is worth more than the model in the box . So people buy empty boxes ! Just for that outstanding art !

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Posted by mississippivol on Wednesday, April 15, 2015 8:19 PM

When I was thirteen, I was in a hobby shop in Blythesville, AR during a contest. There was a MPC 1/48 EA-6B on the shelf; I had never seen it before, but I was blown away by the box art (an a/c on the carrier deck), and the size of the box. Another guy in the club bought it (I couldn't afford it anyway); it about broke my heart. Ten years later, he's selling his stash, and behold, there she was for a cool $5! It's still unbuilt and the box isn't in the best shape, but I'm still smitten by it. I guess that's what box art can do...

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, April 15, 2015 8:40 PM

Tanker, the Revell Box Art from before they switched to photos of the built model in the mid to early 70s was indeed outstanding! I had the one from their Ki-61 Tony cut out and displayed on the wall of my bedroom until I went off to the Army at age 18. I still remember many of their dramatic scenes from other kits to this day. Their 1/32 aircraft series really had some gorgeous box art... The 1/72 stuff was pretty sharp too!

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:36 PM

Oh but their "Picture Fleet" was really good stuff, and John Steel was my favorite.

His San Juan Capistrano is still my favorite, and the Saratoga in some Arab port is a great one.

Stik about five years ago I found that Tony kit in a little cigar shop. The guy had been using it in window displays to set a kind of "manly" tone. Picked it up for $ 20.00.

Then I ended up giving it to Sean "Summit" in exchange for a stack of magazines. Never regretted that, but I miss him.

I don't remember the Prowler, but it sounds good and I'll look for it. oldmodelkits.com is always a good place to start.

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Posted by mississippivol on Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:46 PM
This is it:
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Posted by Phil_H on Wednesday, April 15, 2015 11:01 PM

As always, for those who remember the "photo of built model box art" era, the fine print... "Paint and cement not included. Model may be painted to match details on box" Smile

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Posted by modelcrazy on Wednesday, April 15, 2015 11:30 PM

I was at my LHS this weekend and found this 1/72 Academy combo kit. I thought at the time, Wow, no one is getting shot and no one has the advantage.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Thursday, April 16, 2015 7:02 AM

modelcrazy

I was at my LHS this weekend and found this 1/72 Academy combo kit. I thought at the time, Wow, no one is getting shot and no one has the advantage.

Nice box art!  But dogfighting with a full load of bombs and a belly tank.........Hmm

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Posted by BlackSheepTwoOneFour on Thursday, April 16, 2015 8:02 AM

As a rule, most a/c would have to jettison their load before engaging in a dogfight.

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, April 16, 2015 8:16 AM

Actually, The art may not be that far off. It looks like the 47 is flying over the D-Day invasion and was jumped by the 190. A pilot may not want to jettison a load only to drop it on the friendlies and may try to get farther inland before jettisoning.

Never the less. I may get the kit.. mainly because of the box art.

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Posted by ajlafleche on Thursday, April 16, 2015 8:37 AM

A good deal of both aircraft and auto Aurora box art of the late 50's and 60's was done by Mort Kunstler, a magazine illustrator at the time. He later gained additional fame for his very accurate art depicting events from the American Revolution and Civil War. He recently had an exhibition at the Norman Rockwell Museum. https://www.mortkunstler.com/

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Posted by waynec on Thursday, April 16, 2015 10:09 AM

what bothers me is Trumpeter showing modern trucks with the tarps over the bed on the cover but no tarps or even bows in the kit.

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Posted by Sprue-ce Goose on Thursday, April 16, 2015 10:28 AM

Nice drawing. I recognize Priller's Fw-190, but who is the pilot of the P-47? 

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Posted by Chrisk-k on Thursday, April 16, 2015 12:04 PM

I thought the above box art depicted an epic dogfight between the P-47 and the FW-190 in the Pacific.

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Posted by PaintsWithBrush on Thursday, April 16, 2015 12:46 PM

I guess the box art will have to have a little disclaimer like the auto ads now.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Thursday, April 16, 2015 12:56 PM

Ah Yes !

  Now some other box art in REVELL'S history are those wonderful ones of ordinary life . Like the ones with prop - passenger planes at the gate and the car , ships and planes in their transport set .Or the really La -Ti - Da picture of the couple exiting or entering the Cadillac Eldorado Brougham !

    The one that were really nice there were the cars and trucks in their multi-piece car and truck models . They showed American Life through the eyes of an advertising bent - I/e Life is grand in America !

   I have always appreciated the pictures on the box of the Tug " Long Beach " .Of course it was originally a N.Y. Harbor Tug ! The P.T. 109 stands out as does the Cambeltown on the dock gate at St Nazaire ! Shouldn't forget the great art around the 1/32 Mosquito Bomber or the space subjects , plus the great art on the Nuclear Reactor and the Launch complex sets .

Oh, and not to forget the box art on the model of the " PERKASA  MTB ! I think by Tamiya ? See , even though most don't pay them much mind , the art list goes on and on .

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Posted by Trabi on Thursday, April 16, 2015 1:00 PM

GMorrison

I DO remember seeing a model of a B-17 which was shown being attacked, with a burning engine.

 

GNorrison, do you mean this?

 

That´s one of my all time favorites! Google Roy Cross. He was Airfix main box artist.

This is the original oil painting:

 

This is "The Box Art" for me:

That was my first kit ever.

Few more RC box arts:

 

 

This was interesting:

 

 

Burning one:

 

 

These are hilarious! Looks like Roden box artists were bored:

 

 

 

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, April 16, 2015 2:41 PM

Trabi

These are hilarious! Looks like Roden box artists were bored:

 

 

 

Looks like the artist(s) were a bit of a daredevil. I'm not sure I get the top one with the lightning and the RR tracks angling into the sky.

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Posted by GMorrison on Thursday, April 16, 2015 2:49 PM

Trabi

GMorrison

I DO remember seeing a model of a B-17 which was shown being attacked, with a burning engine.

 

GNorrison, do you mean this?

 

That´s one of my all time favorites! Google Roy Cross. He was Airfix main box artist.

That looks like it, yeah!

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Posted by modelcrazy on Thursday, April 16, 2015 2:57 PM

This was my first. I put so much glue on that the wings melted and drooped.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 16, 2015 3:26 PM

Chrisk-k

I thought the above box art depicted an epic dogfight between the P-47 and the FW-190 in the Pacific.

 

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Posted by mississippivol on Thursday, April 16, 2015 6:27 PM

Stik, I was pretty sure that the Germans used Texans to do that job....

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, April 16, 2015 6:54 PM

Nope, definitely Stukas. It's on the Internet, so it must be true!

 

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