A trend that is really got me confused.

This discussion really took a turn. I was just confused about the kits that are more die cast displays than kits, and what their purpose was.

Discussions always "take a turn", this one is nothing new. As far as the original point, I'll take a different view and say I applaud the manufacturers move to capture potential customers with a new approach. You've got to rope people in somehow and if this leads to further survival for the industry, then they well and truly got it right. Get new people interested with the easy stuff and maybe, just maybe, they decide to look into doing kits that require more effort from them. One thing you can say for this hobby, there's always someone to complain that others aren't "putting in enough effort". Whether it's the person bemoaning resin and photo-etch over scratch building, of people complaining about the new high dollar Tamiya offerings verses upgrading an old Monogram, of those you chastise others who prefer to build "shake and bake" kits versus those kits that require massaging to bring about the end product, of people who look down on "out of the box' rather than massive alterations.

I see it like this, every time someone makes disparaging remarks about the particular path another has chosen, all that is accomplished is that people who might be considering the hobby are put off by the judgmental behavior being dished out. The quickest way to turn people off to something is to show them a "MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY!" attitude.

Right on!everyone has a different way of doing things and the heavy judgement vibe is not conducive to welcoming newbies into our great hobby!

Well;

   How long did you guys think it would be before I chimed in ? LOL. Listen , I would rather see a kid put one of those together , rather than nothing at all .

The thread went astray on 20 somethings etc .Guess what ? I am not going to , for a change  ,go there !

    Yeah , I have had my share of stupid experiences leaving saddened for the do-er of the lack of education or whatever .This hi-tech world will roll right over them someday .

   Build a model sure ! Let me fire up the 3 - D printer . Hey pre - painted models are not bad . If you are disabled temporarily and want to do something then they let you stay in the game . My only issue with the pre - painted cars I have is the paint is so bad I have to repaint them anyway .

A modeler who want's a slick 67 Mustang will eventually give in to taking the thing apart and re-doing it .Aha ! A modeler is born - Well , Maybe ?

Tankerbuilder,

  I work for a company that makes 3d printers and I'm printing out all kinds of odd stuff and having great time doing it,  but they don't come out finished by a long shot, if anything they require even more scratch building experience.  we're not quite to the print-it-out kit concept yet.  lots of sanding and finishing is needed.  just my 2 cents worth.  

John

Yeah !

      I got to see some displayed and operating at a Maker Fair . Quite impressive . I am especially impressed , of course , with the big ones I can't possibly afford . Doing a whole 1/60 hull half is awesome !

      The operator told me to go and get something to do and I returned from home with a Lindberg Cape Class cutter hull half ! What amazed me is that after scanning it , it took the whole two days to make it , But , it even had the mold release pin marks just like the original !

     Now a home style would be perfect for 1/350 ship - building .For making new or extra parts !

     Yes , they have to be sanded and prepped . Shoot , you have to do that on an expensive kit or a cheap one anyway !

    It's just that technology opens up a lot of formerly closed doors .

Call from Lindberg's attorney on line 2, Mr. Tankerbuilder.

I know just enough to be dangerous but I do know the other day I saw a model in the store. It was George Jetson in his flying car along with Astro and I think Judy.

I thought wow that would be a cool build till I read on the package "George and Astro pre painted" .... sigh.

I put the package back down.

You know, you could always repaint them. I've resurrected a few toys, Mike Brindos just did a fantastic rebuild on a toy M-48 tank in armor.

Wonder if the paint could be stripped or just prime over their paint?

I'm sure prime over would be best. Some of those deals- when you strip off the paint you find that their gap filling solutions are wild and wacky, not the way we would do it. Unidentifiable putties, shims etc.

Ah ! You Betchya !

Found this post, Blacksmithin ,say no more.

BLACKSMITHN

“The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise.” Socrates

LOL! Some things never change...

 

Texgunner

 

 

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

100% in agreement with Karl and  ajlafleche. What's even sadder? Young kids working with registers can't count money.

 

 

 

 

I'm afraid it goes deeper than that sad fact.  A few years ago, my wife and I stopped at a Burger King in the Dallas area.  At the counter, a rather large young man asked for our order.  With my wife by my side, I told him we would take a couple number 2 meals.  The yout looked at me for a moment and then snorted derisively, "Like, how many's a 'couple' man?"  His attitude was that I was a moron for ordering that way.  I was somewhat dumbfounded I guess. 

After a pause I said, "Well, you know (nodding towards Mrs. Texgunner), like a man and a wife?  A boy and a girl?  Like Adam and Eve?  Two?"  I smiled; but inside I was thinking, Jeeezuz.  He doesn't understand what a couple means.  Now, I could understand if I had asked for a "few" or for "several", but really?  A couple?   Dude.

 

Ha ha Gary! A similar thing happened to my buddy at BK. He asked for a plain cheese burger so they gave him a burger with no cheese. He takes it back and explains again what he wants. The kid just didn't get it. So the manager steps in, an older guy not a kid and guess what? The manager didn't get it either. My buddy again explains that he wants a plain cheese burger, the bun, meat and cheese, nothing else. They still didn't get it. My buddy demanded a refund and left. True story, not fiction!

plasticjunkie

 

Texgunner

 

 

BlackSheepTwoOneFour

100% in agreement with Karl and  ajlafleche. What's even sadder? Young kids working with registers can't count money.

 

 

 

 

I'm afraid it goes deeper than that sad fact.  A few years ago, my wife and I stopped at a Burger King in the Dallas area.  At the counter, a rather large young man asked for our order.  With my wife by my side, I told him we would take a couple number 2 meals.  The yout looked at me for a moment and then snorted derisively, "Like, how many's a 'couple' man?"  His attitude was that I was a moron for ordering that way.  I was somewhat dumbfounded I guess. 

After a pause I said, "Well, you know (nodding towards Mrs. Texgunner), like a man and a wife?  A boy and a girl?  Like Adam and Eve?  Two?"  I smiled; but inside I was thinking, Jeeezuz.  He doesn't understand what a couple means.  Now, I could understand if I had asked for a "few" or for "several", but really?  A couple?   Dude.

 

 

 

 

 

Ha ha Gary! A similar thing happened to my buddy at BK. He asked for a plain cheese burger so they gave him a burger with no cheese. He takes it back and explains again what he wants. The kid just didn't get it. So the manager steps in, an older guy not a kid and guess what? The manager didn't get it either. My buddy again explains that he wants a plain cheese burger, the bun, meat and cheese, nothing else. They still didn't get it. My buddy demanded a refund and left. True story, not fiction!

 

Don't suprise me one bit.......and they probably screwed up giving him back what he paid for it on top of it.

How about when you get back in change from a purchase, let's say .98  and you give the cashier .2 so you can get back an even buck? I often do this so I don't get stuck with a bunch of loose change and to see if I get a look of confision from the cashier.  Sometimes I have to explain it twice for the thought to filter.

plasticjunkie

How about when you get back in change from a purchase, let's say .98  and you give the cashier .2 so you can get back an even buck? I often do this so I don't get stuck with a bunch of loose change and to see if I get a look of confision from the cashier.  Sometimes I have to explain it twice for the thought to filter.

 

 

 

 

Yeah... Common CORE does that to them.

I saw a news article online of a math problem to solve in long way;

5 X 3 = 15

they say 5 + 5 + 5 = 15 is WRONG; This is the correct answer according to Common CORE:

3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 = 15

Needless to say plenty of parents were pretty upset the first answer is totally wrong. I look at this way, what the hell the difference does it makes when they BOTH come equals to 15?

plasticjunkie

How about when you get back in change from a purchase, let's say .98  and you give the cashier .2 so you can get back an even buck? I often do this so I don't get stuck with a bunch of loose change and to see if I get a look of confision from the cashier.  Sometimes I have to explain it twice for the thought to filter.

 

 

 

 

Yeah... Common CORE does that to them.

I saw a news article online a few days ago of a math problem to solve in long way:

5 X 3 = 15

They say 5 + 5 + 5 = 15 is WRONG. This is the correct answer according to Common CORE:

3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 = 15

Needless to say plenty of parents were pretty upset the first answer is totally wrong. I look at this way, what the hell the difference does it makes when they BOTH come equals to 15?

This reminds me of the first time I bought one of those Guillows P-51 kits as a wee lad and got home to find a box of sticks and paper.  I was probably 6 or 7 and no where near ready for that level of patience.

I was a victim of cool box art!!

CN Spots

This reminds me of the first time I bought one of those Guillows P-51 kits as a wee lad and got home to find a box of sticks and paper.  I was probably 6 or 7 and no where near ready for that level of patience.

I was a victim of cool box art!!

 

Weren't we all? LOL!

         There really are  a lot of young adults that are building models.  They are game related but they are glue and paint models.  At 62 I am the "old guy" in our group but they have been nothing but real friends to me.  I introduced my airbrush to the group, and now they are nall better at it than I am.  ( lol, they actually practice and use theirs alot).  A few have started to express an interest in building "real models".  If they stay with it, I'm sure some will become like myself and dabble in both areas.  They are mostly in the 20-30 age range with girlfriends, wives, and in a couple of cases------kids! 

           Warlord games has a game out called Bolt Action.  It is a WWII based game in 1?56 scale ( I guess to discourage using 1/48 scale offerings ),  but I belive the tanks are made by Airfix.  I will check next time I'm at the store and offer a correction if I'm mistaken.  There are tutorials on how to assemble, paint and weather your tanks for the tabletop.

           I'm sorry that I haven't figured out how to provide hot links to sites, but if you like you could check out " dakkadakka " and " beasts of war ".  There's a good chance that most or all of the content will not appeal to FSM members.  I'm just trying to show that young people are modeling and I'm very bullish on the future of scale modeling.

                                                                                                          knox

Well ;

   I will tell all of you a story . There is an old man . He brought a LEGO connection to our rail museum . Now kids and parents sometimes sit and create stuff almost for the full time of the program .

     The old man is amazed that it's been so successful .The kids look forward to it now too .The old man - ME , The program ? The Kids Fun Day at the New Braunfels , Tx , Railroad Museum . Come run a Lionel and American Flyer train and build Lego Too !

          10 to 2 - first and third saturday of every month weather permitting. Total result -  "If it's raining , can we have the LEGO and DUPLO stuff in your Dining car ? " Kids still need that challenge and they seem to eat it up in public . Many leave their electronics in the car !   T.B.

Now Really " G "

 What Harm can anyone do with half a hull ?      T.B. Oh- that was line one by the way LOL.

I think it might have something to do with shortening attention spans. I've noticed the same thing in myself; for whatever reason, which no doubt related to the fast-paced world of the Internet, I have trouble concentrating on long-form articles, much less on books. I suppose if you've never built anything and someone presents a fully-made model to you, it would seem like a fool's errand to replicate that same model with your time and money. For those of us who grew up with that pride of accomplishment, it seems like heresy, but it seems to be the order of the day. My hope is that there's a backlash against creeping homogenity and that some kids decide to try their hand at making something unique. I wish I could say I was optimistic.

I really like the little snap kits. They have their place for people with no-patience and "beginner" modelers. I know that when I first started making Snap-Tite kits, the limited range of subjects really got me looking for more advanced kits. Unless quality has improved sharply, the snap-together kits really leave a lot to be desired too. Even my roughest Lindberg kits are sharper made than the snap-tite kits I started with.