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Posted by diggeraone on Saturday, March 12, 2005 4:52 PM
I see that this post is still getting replys.I have posted a worst kit biuld on here to see if you would all be interested in trying to turn a bad kit into a jem.If ya'll would like to then please go to the worst kit build on the gen.diss.to let me know so that in about 3weeks I can post it on the group builds.Digger
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Posted by Woody on Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:05 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Keyworth

My list:
Faller (anyone remember them?)
Starfix
Renwal

I remember them but do you know that you can still buy them? Dahlmann bought their molds and most of the old Faller 1/100(+/-) A/C kits are still on the market. http://81.169.177.36/kleinserien/e/dah/_1_100.htm

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Posted by overkillphil on Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:34 PM
Ah, I see. I've never seen any Revell AG armor, so I wasn't aware they did some of their own. Everything I'm familiar with has been AC that I've mostly seen elsewhere.
my favorite headache/current project: 1/48 Panda F-35 "I love the fact that dumb people don't know who they are. I hope I'm not one of them" -Scott Adams
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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, March 11, 2005 12:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by overkillphil

I've seen some people mention Revell but are quick to make an exception for Revell AG. But aren't most AG kits just reboxed versions of Revellogram and occasionally other companies toolings?
Not always, but that is often true. Revell of Germany does some superb original 1/72 scale armor kits. A few of them are reboxed Hasegawa kits and a few of the combo kits were old Matchbox kits. They also started reboxing old Matchbox kits individually due to demand for the old kits. They are clearly marked "1/76" scale though.

In 1/35 scale, the majority of their armor belongs to other companies like AFV Club, Italeri, Esci, DML and Eastern Express. They do have several original kits like the Unimog, Fuchs, Luchs, and Man trucks, mainly modern German armor. Sort of expected from a German company.
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Posted by overkillphil on Thursday, March 10, 2005 3:29 PM
I've seen some people mention Revell but are quick to make an exception for Revell AG. But aren't most AG kits just reboxed versions of Revellogram and occasionally other companies toolings?
my favorite headache/current project: 1/48 Panda F-35 "I love the fact that dumb people don't know who they are. I hope I'm not one of them" -Scott Adams
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:38 AM
I have to comment on DRAWDE's contribution. With every kit I've ever purchased, whether it be aircarft, automotive, armor, sci-fi, etc., the picture and discription on the box at least resembled the parts that were in the box.

Not so with Zhengdefu.

The box said and the pictured showed a 1/200th scale model of a E-3 Sentry AWAC. I didn't have one in my collection, Hobby Lobby was having a half price sale, so I bought it for about $8.

What I found inside the box were parts for a pretty crappy looking Boeing 747-400, wing tips and all, plus a radome to fit on top. I thought a mistake had occurred at the ol' packing plant until I saw the instruction sheet. Sure enough, the sheet said I was about to construct a Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS with USAF markings but the instructions showed a drawing of 474-400 fusalage parts and showed where to place the decals.

So watch out for Zhengdefu. You will not only get a lousy model, you might not even get the subject you were hoping for.

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Posted by buff on Friday, March 4, 2005 5:49 PM
Revell Monogram would top my rather limited list. Last year I built the Spit 2 for my son. I basically had to dig through the flash to find the really badly fitting Spit. The next one would be Italeri. I know they make a lot of good stuff, but some of their stuff really stinks. I just finished the H-19 SAR Chickasaw for my son last week, and it was a mess. I can't wait for him to be old enough to build his own. These yearly builds for him are giving me ulcers. I have a much bigger hate-on for manufacturers that are hit and miss than for those that only produce crap. If it's crap, at least I'll know and not buy it.

On the bench: 1/32 Spit IXc

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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, March 4, 2005 12:55 PM
http://www.ontheway.us/kitlists/skifkits.htm
Check out their 1/72 scale kits. I have several of them. The towed guns were under $5 USD and the tanks were about $10, but contain PE frets.

In 1/35 scale, their KMT-6 mine rake accessory is highly sought after. Their T-64 series is not bad, but again, they are the only T-64 tanks on the market in this scale.
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Posted by J-Hulk on Friday, March 4, 2005 12:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Rob Gronovius

QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk

1. Skif
2. Skif
3. Skif

In that order.

Still, Skif kits can turn into nice models, with effort.
Lots of effort.
Their 1/72 scale armor kits are really nice. Admittedly, they only have about ten kits, but I don't pass them up.


Well, that's good news! I've never run across a 1/72 SKIF kit.

I guess like almost all manufacturers, SKIF has some good 'uns and bad 'uns!
~Brian
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Posted by Rob Gronovius on Friday, March 4, 2005 9:03 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk

1. Skif
2. Skif
3. Skif

In that order.

Still, Skif kits can turn into nice models, with effort.
Lots of effort.
Their 1/72 scale armor kits are really nice. Admittedly, they only have about ten kits, but I don't pass them up.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 3, 2005 3:08 PM
The three worst KITS I've ever built are probably, in this order (worst first!)
Frog Tupolev SB-2; Heller Vautour; and Airfix Bristol Fighter (possibly tied with the
Zhengdefu M1 Abrams)
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 3, 2005 3:01 PM
I'm a very, very forgiving modeller quality-wise - I'd invariably rather spend £3 on an old second-hand kit and spend
time detailing it than £20 on the latest state-of-the art Tamiya/Trumpeter/Dragon etc. kit of the same subject. And I'm
happy to build grotty old ex-Aurora/Merit SMER WW1 kits or old 60s Airfix kits if they're the only commonly-available kit for their subject.

However, I don't think even I can think of much good to say about Starfix and Kitech/Zhengdefu!

Starfix 1/48 kits are badly underscale (closer to 1/55), have rivets worse than any old Airfix kit, and minimal detail, and are all of common subjects - unlike SMER's WW1 planes for example, you can easily find a vastly better Spitfire, Bf109 etc. for only a few pounds/dollars more. Easily the worst kits I've seen by a long shot, especially considering that they don't have the saving grace of being of a rare subject, or the excuse of simply being old and outdated.

Kitech/Zhengdefu are not nearly as universally bad as Starfix. If you can get over the generic wheels/tracks and the fact that the scale (supposedly 1/48) varies between 1/39 and 1/53 depending on the subject, some of their kits are reasonably crisply-moulded and detailed (Leopard 2, Type 90, T-80, BTR-80, for example) and many are of unusual subjects.
On the other hand, some of their kits are -awful- in terms of moulding and detail - the Abrams and AMX-30, for example. (I wouldn't recommend the Abrams to anyone, regardless of cost; at least the AMX-30 has the one redeeming feature of being the only kit of its subject!)
If you can pick them up second-hand for a few pounds, the Kitech range can be fun to build, but otherwise I'd definitely
stay well clear, especially if you're not on a limited budget.

Most of the other manufacturers mentioned here, I would not include on a list of worst manufacturers, either because their
worst kits are generally very old (Airfix, Revell, Monogram etc.) or they have improved a lot more recently (Trumpeter, Hobbycraft). Others I can't comment on simply because I haven't built any of their kits - SKIF for example.

I wouldn't really include SMER either, at least not their 1/48 kits - though most of their kits are ancient and crude Aurora, Merit and Artiplast re-issues, they are -very- cheap and are mostly of subjects not available elsewhere. They do a very good job IMHO of making these kits available readily and cheaply to modellers like me who are prepared to put in the time and effort to finish them to a good standard. If it weren't for SMER I certainly wouldn't have my collection of 1/48 WW1 aircraft, 1930s RAF biplanes, and WW2 Italian aircraft!

FROG/Novo would probably be the third on my list, but, like SMER, they have made many, many kits of subjects not available anywhere else!
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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Keyworth

Faller (anyone remember them?)

Were they the company that did the Fokker Dr.1 in 1/100? Or are you thinking of the outfit that did HO military vehicles? Are they both the same company? Answers to these questions and much more on the next episode of Adventures in the Plastic Way-Back Machine...


Fade to Black...
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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:00 PM
Wow, no one has mentioned SMER yet... although most of their kits were reboxes of other manufacturers' kits. I don't consider SMER to be the worst I've come across but, in general, they ain't pretty. Starfix would be my candidate for the absolute worst airplane models. There are some pretty pathetic older models which I can see in my mind, but the names of the manufacturers escape me...

Gotta be careful when participating in 'polls' like this because it's easy to do a grand injustice to a kit maker.

For example, the more recent Hobbycraft kits, although not the top of the line, are good kits. Much of their older stuff, however, is absolute garbage. But someone whose first experience with Hobbycraft happens to be the old Ju 87 in 48th may swear themselves against anything with the name Hobbycraft on the box without even bothering to look at their other kits.

Also, what exactly does one mean by 'quality'? There are several things to take into account when judging the quality of a kit and each of us holds a different opinion as to what should be relevant in doing so. For me, fit problems are the least important, while general accuracy of appearance is paramount. Others won't build a kit if they've heard that it needs even a small amount of filler. To me that's absurd, but to each their own...


Fade to Black...
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Posted by Keyworth on Saturday, February 26, 2005 5:39 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by boybuddho

MPC tops my list....although 30 years ago...I could buy a whole armada of ill-fitting kits and have the Battle of Britain waged on my ceiling ...!


Dan, all those kits were Airfix releases in the US.
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Posted by Keyworth on Saturday, February 26, 2005 5:38 PM
My list:
Faller (anyone remember them?)
Starfix
Renwal
"There's no problem that can't be solved with a suitable application of high explosives"
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Posted by Buddho on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 6:11 PM
MPC tops my list....although 30 years ago...I could buy a whole armada of ill-fitting kits and have the Battle of Britain waged on my ceiling ...!

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Posted by cbrain on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 5:54 PM
In order of preference:

1. Mini Hobby Models
2. Bandai - The problem isn't really their molds .... and they're engineered well (if not superbly) but the stickers they include with their Gundam kits. Take note: STICKERS! Damn! Why the hell would I want stickers for my model kit?! Angry [:(!]
3. Ben Di - The chinese-made Bandai kits knock-off.
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Posted by wooverstone8 on Monday, February 21, 2005 11:00 PM
Well I know what kit manufactures I should definitely stay away from, LOL.

I’ve only built one Arii kit--FW-190A, I thought it was pretty good for the price. I don’t know what there other kits are like though…
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Posted by lerxst1031 on Monday, February 21, 2005 10:48 PM
Arii
Fred
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 21, 2005 8:22 PM
I have not yet commited to a group build. But i love the idea of "Best of the Worst". I tend to lean towards I-beam's idea of a list of ten or so worst kits.

Maybe two or three of Armor, Air, Naval, Sci-Fi, Auto, Etc.

While my skills would not be producing a masterpiece... Still the whole 'beauty from a beast' idea is very appealing.

Come up with a list and a date, and count me in
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Posted by J-Hulk on Monday, February 21, 2005 1:11 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by armydogdoc

Wow, it saddens me to see Revell/Monogram on the list, I cut my teeth on those kits. Although I agree that early Revell stuff is pretty poor by todays standards, back in the day it was good stuff!


That's precisely why I chose SKIF for my choices 1-3.
They're a modern company, selling expensive kits at modern prices (the BMP-3 you can see in my signature sells for about $40 USD here in Japan).
They're expensive, they're modern, and they're supposed to be high-level kits for demanding hobbyists, not simple, easy, and cheap kits for beginners.
SKIF produces modern kits that are very poor by TODAY's standards, so they get my top three "worst" spots.

But again, having said all that, I still like 'em!
Where else are you gonna get a BMP-3?
~Brian
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Posted by armydogdoc on Monday, February 21, 2005 9:38 AM
Wow, it saddens me to see Revell/Monogram on the list, I cut my teeth on those kits. LOL Lets see:
1. AMT/Ertel
2. Linberg
3. Airfix

Although I agree that early Revell stuff is pretty poor by todays standards, back in the day it was good stuff!
Ron "One weekend a month my$1***$2quot;
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Posted by wibhi2 on Monday, February 21, 2005 8:56 AM
Fondiere Miniatures tops my list
3d modelling is an option a true mental excercise in frusrtation
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 21, 2005 8:08 AM
LOL!!! Ahhh, there is a method to this madness Evil [}:)]Tongue [:P]

Don't know myself. Can we paint it with crayons? I would prefer you make a list of about 3-10 bad kits and everyone pick one from the list for the gb. Need at least one bad armor, plane, auto, boat, sci-fi, etc so everyone can be involved. Just my My 2 cents [2c]
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Posted by leemitcheltree on Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:58 PM
LOL!!
A group build for crappy kits!! You gotta love it......I might even jump into this one.....although I sincerely prefer to spend my time and energies on kits that are of a far higher quality. Much easier to complete with a satisfactory result.

Cheers, LeeTree
Remember, Safety Fast!!!

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Posted by kaleu on Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:41 PM
That would be an interesting group build. I still have a couple of AMT T-55's that I could use for the group build. I have p/e for this model as well, would the group build be OOTB or could aftermarket extras be used if we have them?
Erik "Don't fruit the beer." Newest model buys: More than I care to think about. It's time for a support group.
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Posted by roadkill_275 on Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:10 PM
Yeah, I remember the "the dark ages" (shudder). I'm glad we've progressed as far as we have. I would also be interested in joining this GB, so I'll keep an eye on this one.

BTW, does any body remember the old Lindburgh Betty? I still have nightmares of that one.
Kevin M. Bodkins "Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup" American By Birth, Southern By the Grace of God! www.milavia.com Christian Modelers For McCain
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Posted by grandadjohn on Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:13 PM
Hi Tom
Agree with you about those early days(there are even a few that no longer exist and some kits made it to other companies) and some Revell kits are good. Back in the 50's plastic kits were a new sideline, the LHS sold stamps, coins and balsa models This would be an interesting idea, some of those kits can be made to look good with some work and time. Will watch for details.
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