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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 4:14 PM
José,

Maybe your dog is a descendant of Caleb Bradham's Wire Fox Terrier? Or maybe... was she ever owned my Michael Jackson or Britney Spears?

(Britney... grrrrwwwwlllllll.........)


Fade to Black...
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:10 PM
My great-grandfather invented the door lock mechanism on Henry Ford's early model cars...that's how my family got its money...which is all gone now thanks to my philandering trumpet-playing grandfather

My grandmother went to college with Zelda Fitzgerald.

My best friend's grandpa (Merle Allen) is friends with Chuck Yeager. They flew together in WWII (Yoxford boys, right?) and have been friends ever since. Merle has travelled the world wont go back to Europe, said he didnt like it the last time he was there.

My ancestors were among the puritans who came over on the mayflower. Yes, i have the paperwork to prove it. But Puritans were annoying. I am not one.Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 6:12 PM
blackwolf - Maybe Shirley McLaine's dog from another life ? ? ?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:38 PM
QUOTE: My great-grandfather invented the door lock mechanism on Henry Ford's early model cars

Interesting, my grampa owned the sawmill that cut his running boards and did some work for Mr. McCormick (farm equip.). Through them he met Tom Edison.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 10:37 AM
oh yeah, and my high school english teacher owned a record store in the 50s and bought elvis' first records from him personally as he carried boxes of them to record stores and radio stations...yeah, we're from memphis
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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 11:05 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Pixilater

blackwolf - Maybe Shirley McLaine's dog from another life ? ? ?


Okay, I admit defeat here, Pix. I have no clue...


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Posted by Torio on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:45 PM
Blackwolf, maybe it's the language barrier but, am I right when supposing that your cats are named Michael Jackson and Britney Spears? In such case, I wonder if it's better for them to sing or not. As for my dog, her name is not Shirley but Sydney (Fox of course, and she has the same personality, always running and always putting her nose into holes in the ground).

Thank you all for coming José

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Posted by BlackWolf3945 on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:33 PM
José,

Perhaps it is the language barrier, that was an attempt at humor on my part. You said your pooch likes to drink Diet Pepsi, and all those folks have been associated with Pepsi in one way or another.

I'm still clueless on the Shirley McLaine thing...


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Posted by Torio on Wednesday, August 20, 2003 6:09 PM
Okay, chap , I apologize; that must be terrible to have a cat named M J or B S, but I understand your cats are not involved . As a matter of fact, there is another strange thing I want to tell you : whenever my puppy yawns she makes a strange sound much like a rusted iron gate; do you think I should give her WD 40 in place of Pepsi ?

Thank you all for coming José

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Posted by Kugai on Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:19 PM
J-Hulk, the only "Jubei" I'm familiar with is the one in the "Ninja Scroll" anime, who is supposed to be based on some historical figure. Is that the same guy?

I stayed away from this one because I don't have any famous relatives. Just for the heck of it, I checked it out today and found out that I was missing out on. How many smacks are you up to, merlin?Big Smile [:D]

Anyway, somebody said that relatives that were WWII vets were acceptable, so I'd have to mention both my father and my uncle. My uncle served somewhere in the European theater ( not sure where, he never talked about it to me ). My father served in the Pacific with an artillery unit and told me a few stories. His name was mentioned in some book on the history of WWII, but he showed me that about 25 years ago, so I have no idea which book it was.

As far as famous encounters, I met Bob Hope in St. Louis back in 1977 ( I was 6 at the time ) and Archie Griffin in 1993.

I also had an interesting conversation with a fellow at a party during a sci-fi convention several years ago. Looking at me he said, "Ah, Brother Rasputin! ( a common comparison, given my appearance )The original die-hard!" and we were talking for about an hour. Came to find out the next day that he was Harry Turtledove, author of a number of "alternate history" sci-fi books.

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Posted by maddafinga on Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:51 PM
I heard several years back at a family reunion that we're related to Ethan Allen. Of course, I don't have any paperwork to prove it or anything, it's just something I heard from some member of my family at some point. A good friend of mine was related to one of the guys who got killed that the gunfight at the OK corral. Hurrah.

Now I need to go back and read previous posts to find out what Merlin is getting smacked for.

madda
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by maddafinga on Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:01 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk

This is a very enjoyable topic! I'm really getting a kick out of everyone's replies.

I forgot a good one! Actually, if any of you have heard of this historical figure, I'll be amazed: my ex-wife was a direct descendent of the famous (here in Japan) eyepatch-wearing Tokugawa Shogunate Samurai, Yagyu Jubei (pronounced "Yah-gyoo Joo-bay").

Any of you Japanese historians out there know who I'm talking about?
It was always a great party topic here!


I've heard of the Tokugawa, but I kinda lost track of them after Tokugawa Ieasu, he rocked! I'm a bit of a Taiko man myself though, though both those guys were simply amazing.

madda
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by wayne baker on Thursday, August 21, 2003 1:31 PM
My brother, the genealogist, tellsme that mom's family had claim to several thousand acres around Nashville. The claim was challenged and taken to court. Davey Crockett defended us. He/we lost and I aint the squire of Nashville.

Neighbor kid made it to the last cut at running back for the Seattle Seahawks.



I sang with Simon and Garfunkle. There were 20,000 people between us at the time.

Merlin is getting smacked for not showing the proper respect for the seriousness of this subject. Do you think that is an alias for Blackwolfscd? Or are they joined at the wit?

 I may get so drunk, I have to crawl home. But dammit, I'll crawl like a Marine.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 22, 2003 7:00 PM
Merlin.
I did'nt smack you that hard did I???
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 22, 2003 9:01 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by james larson

Merlin.
I did'nt smack you that hard did I???


James

Does THIS answer your question?...Black Eye [B)]

Ya made me cry...I'm now undergoing therapy.
I'm unwanted, unloved, misunderstood and a recovering bedwetter to boot. (okay so maybe I lied about the recovering
part).




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Posted by shermanfreak on Friday, August 22, 2003 9:10 PM
As soon as I saw that Merlin had been loose in here again .... just had to pop in and see what kind of trouble he got himself into this time. Tongue [:P] Wink [;)] Approve [^] Big Smile [:D]
Happy Modelling and God Bless Robert
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Posted by therriman on Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:19 AM
I think it's time we sent Merlin to bed without his supper.

Grounding him won't work. He'll just go work on models.[:0]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 24, 2003 2:05 AM
Don't ground him .
Just take away his model glue.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 24, 2003 8:23 AM
You guys quit being mean to me or I'm tellin' my Mom...I've got her phone number around here someplace....Angry [:(!]Evil [}:)]..........Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:57 AM
Hey merlin, need to hire a bigger bully?Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 25, 2003 10:52 PM
Oooooooooooooooo

I'm so scared!
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Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:33 AM
HULK SMASH!!!



Jus' kiddin', fellas!Big Smile [:D]
~Brian
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Posted by J-Hulk on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:42 AM
QUOTE: I've heard of the Tokugawa, but I kinda lost track of them after Tokugawa Ieasu, he rocked! I'm a bit of a Taiko man myself though, though both those guys were simply amazing.

madda


Hey, Madda! There were so many Tokugawas, about the only guy I remember is Ieyasu! Tongue [:P]
Here in Osaka, Toyotomi Hideyoshi is (was) da man. Out where I lived in Shiga, Oda Nobunaga and Ii Naosuke were da men! Big Smile [:D]

Hey...I never see anything about modeling castles in these forums! There are TONS of great Japanese castle models out there!Big Smile [:D]

I better go start a new post somewhere.
But where???
~Brian
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Posted by maddafinga on Tuesday, August 26, 2003 7:54 AM
I loved Oda Nobunaga as well, he was brilliant, but a bit too reckless I think. He needed Hideyoshi to calm him down a bit. Shame about the fire really, but then Hideyoshi wouldn't have had the success that he did. I don't know if Nobunaga could have worked Ieyasu to a draw like Hideyoshi did though. If you wanna talk patience though, Tokugawa Ieyasu was simply the king. I always think of the little story about the bird. Good stuff, I love Japanese history, that had to have been one of the most interesting periods in world history. Fascinating.

I wouln't mind building a good model of a castle actually, do you have any pics of them? One might look pretty good sitting on top of my monitor.

madda
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Posted by wibhi2 on Wednesday, August 27, 2003 9:22 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by james larson

I wonder if this is a dig at me???

"Quote by wibbi2"

This is a little late in the game, but I never thought Merlin was trying to belittle anyone. If anything I thought it was a very creative piece of writing


Naahhhhh.......just an observation. I really did laugh at Merlin's first post. to this threadTongue [:P]

have pick and shovel - will travelBig Smile [:D]
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Posted by J-Hulk on Thursday, August 28, 2003 6:32 AM
Hey, Madda!Smile [:)]

What was that saying..."Oda Nobunaga gathered the ingredients for a pie, Toyotomi Hideyoshi made it, and Tokugawa Ieyasu ate it." Or something along those lines! Quite descriptive of what went on back then.

What was the bird one...Oh yeah!
The ruthless Nobunaga gave the bird an ultimatum: sing or die.
The pragmatic Hideyoshi insisted on making the bird sing.
The patient Ieyasu simply waited for the bird to decide to sing of its own accord.

Fascinating period of world history, for sure.

~Brian
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Posted by maddafinga on Thursday, August 28, 2003 8:08 AM
I'd always heard that Hideyoshi said make the bird want to sing. That man was a true leader if there ever was one. I hadn't heard the one about the pie, but it's a good one. Very apt. It's kinda nice to have someone to rap about with this stuff, nobody that I know has any interest in Japanese history at all. Any time I try to talk about something that went on, I just sorta get tuned out for a bit. They just don't understand I guess. OOh, maybe I'm just a geek.

madda
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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Posted by J-Hulk on Thursday, August 28, 2003 12:52 PM
Ah, I think your right about making the bird want to sing.
Yeah, even here, I find it hard to find anybody interested in discussing Japanese history. Even amongst my Japanese friends! Their parents are usually pretty keen to talk about it, though, and are very appreciative that a non-Japanese like me knows something about their history and culture.

One subject I'm familiar with that never fails to amaze people is the "sankin koutai" system of the Tokugawas, which was essentially a conspiracy perpetrated by the man to keep a brother down. Or, in this case, to keep the Daimyos weak by requiring them to make regular pilgrimmages from their fiefs to Edo, alternating residences every three or four years. Incentive for this was the fact that the Daimyo's families were required to live in Edo, effectively held hostage by the Shogunate. The idea was to keep the Daimyos weak via the incredible expense incurred by shifting his entourage to Edo and back at regular intervals, and of course the tons of gifts that must be presented to the Shogun upon arrival in Edo represented a huge fortune spent as well.
Thus, the Daimyos could not amass enough wealth nor gather enough support in the fiefs (they're not even there half the time!) to pose any serious threat to the centralized Shogunate government. It was also during this time that Japan lost a great many of its castles, as the Shogunate only allowed one castle per fief. I don't recall the figure, but many many castles were dismantled during the 300 year Tokugawa Shogunate.

Which reminds that I'm writing all this because my ex-wife's direct ancestor was Yagyu Jubei, the famous eyepatch-wearing Tokugawa Shogunate Samurai swordsman.


Which is the topic of this thread! Famous relatives!
Sorry for the long historical ramble!!
~Brian
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Posted by maddafinga on Thursday, August 28, 2003 1:05 PM
Beautiful segue there J-Hulk! I gotta say, there were some really really crafty people throughout history, the amazing thing to me is that so many of them came together at that very time and place. I knew about the policy of keeping the families at Edo, but I didn't know that there was an official name for it. I need to find more books, Japanese history books are a bit hard to find around here, as I'm sure you can imagine. If you've ever read Shogun by James Clavell, I've always assumed that the Daimyo "Toranaga" from the book was supposed to be, or was based on Tokugawa Ieyasu. There was a good bit of authentic history in the book, aside from the fiction. If you haven't read it, it's a great book and story. The story of what happened was based on fact as well, though I forget the actual guy's name just this moment. I think it's pretty neat that you're marrying into the Tokugawas :)

Did I mention that I'm related to Ethan Allen? Not the furniture guy, but the revolutionary war hero.

madda
Madda Trifles make perfection, but perfection is no trifle. -- Leonardo Da Vinci Tact is for those who lack the wit for sarcasm.--maddafinga
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