1/72 Italeri AH-64 Apache - Cockpit Problem ?

Whatever.  Play all the reindeer games you want.

After checking the back posts .I noticed that the modeler's who needed help or advice never got any response.But; Who knows.If any one neede help , I will always respond.

It is still posted for some reason.it could have been 50 years ago.

Right, so is every other post ever put here.  That doesn't make them still relevant though.  If you have something to add, it is usually better to start a new post so people don't just look at the date and dismiss it as old data. 

That is true .But;It is still posted for some reason.it could have been 50 years ago.Anyway , tamiya or Hasegawa is the way to go.Also thanks for the reminder

Again, look at the dates on the original post. I bet his issues went away almost 7 years ago.

Is there really a need to keep digging up long-dead, outdated posts? I don't get it.

Go the Hasegawa way.1/72 or 1/48.Your problems will go away.

Hey all,

John, sorry I missed your question, I've been away at my wife's Grandmother's for the past two days.  In any case, not impolite at all.  I'm a 1LT right now.  Hoping to make Captain this summer.  I'm not a full time Apache pilot, I'm National Guard, so I run the National Guard Memorial Museum in Washington as my Civilian job and fly AH-64A's in Pennsylvania part time.  Things have gotten rather difficult lately though, so I will be switching airframes so I can fly a bit closer to home.  

Jon

No problem John, I have worn that same t-shirt many times. But like what Ray said, that is one of the many reasons the forum exists...to help each other. There are no stupid questions and I have learned much from all of you. Most of you non-aviators know much more than I in many cases about the helicopters I flew, because to me it was a job, not a love. Together we all complement each other.

Charlie

John,

  Not stupid questions, man.  This stuff is confusing unless you flew the dang things for a living. Trust me, I'm STILL trying to figure all the friggin Huey variants out!  Model on!!

     Ray 

OH MY ; It's taken the better part of two day's for it to finally sink in to my thick skull .The Air Sensor Data Probes that are mounted on the rear of the engine's are on the D Models . As you and the other's have repeatedly explained Charlie !!!. On the A version it's on the mast .

SORRY guy's , it must be terribly frustrating . ; I get it now.

Hopfully my next post will be of a couple of finished 1/72 AH-64 Apache's , not stupid questions.

The Air Sensor Data probe is mounted on top of the rotor mast on A models. I see it in the pictures you posted. Many of those aircraft the Isreali's are flying are ones I used to fly. When 2/6 gave up their earliest A models they went to Isreal.

Charlie

I was searching through my Israeli Camouflage and Markings book and also on the google images as my first two AH-64A Apache's will have Israeli markings . So far I've noticed the Israeli birds dont appear to have those Air Data Probes . I could be wrong as I've only seen a few pic's so far but is it only the U.S.Army Apaches that have the probes ???

                                                      John.

Great pictures Ray for showing the Air data sensor. Looking at the first image I noticed on the left FAB and to the front is the camera for rotor tracking. I did a bunch of that in my day with the older A models. I never flew the D's.

Charlie

Thank's Ray , two more great pic's to add to my collection . I'll start searching through the spares box later this afternoon , Hopfully I should be able to scratch up something that looks like the Air Data Probes . The first pic you posted shows a shark's mouth on the front fuselage sponsons , the AH-64A MSIP has those on the decal sheet , It's white in color so it didn't show up when I posted the pic .

Thank's again guy's...

                                             Kind regards John

John,

  Here's another from 2004 that is about as good as it's gonna get shy of a walkaround shot.

    Ray

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John,

  This is an Iraqi bird from 2004. Pretty good view of the data probes.  I'll look for more if i can find em.  I'm sure Cobrahistorian can fix you right up though.

   Ray

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Thank you Charlie for posting that pic of what the Air Data Probes actually looks like . My apoligies for getting a little mixed-up . I scanned the box top of the longbow apache and I guess what I was looking at was those small support stands just behind the engine intakes . I think you mentioned them before ; are they for when the the engine cover is opened the support rests on top of the stub wing ? . Hopfully when my squadron books arrive I will be able to get a lot of these things correct .

Thanks again for the pic , it gives me something to work from for the 1/72 Apache's .

                                                     Kind regards John

John, the box art does not illustrate the Air Sensor Data probes. They would be on both engines towards the back half of the cowlings. I do see your kit has the old A model air data probe. In your bottom image it is to the top and left just above the 2 in the date stamp. Here is a link to an image that shows the probes but not in the detail you will need. You will see them on the sides of the engine cowlings.

http://drhenrylieu.com/images/iraqtech_ss_apache.jpg

Charlie

I went to the Hobby Store yesterday to buy some paint and picked up these two birds . The Academy kits were $20 each , so I thought it seemed a good buy for 1/48 scale kits . Upon looking in the box both kits have PVC tyre's and those ORT console's are included as Charlie and Jon mentioned earlier . The AH-64D has the bigger EFAB's that fit up under the stub wings .The A version is boxed as the AH-64A MSIP and includes Side Winder AAM missile's . Both box art pic's show those Air Data Probes but it doesn't appear to be included in either kits ; The instructions dont show them and so far I couldn't see them on any of the sprue's ? .

Anyway everything else looks pretty good for twenty bucks each . The 1/72 scale Apache's go together without any problems , I'm sure it will be the same for the 1/48 birds as well .

                                            John.

           Jon ; 

Is it inpolite for me to ask you what rank you hold in the U.S.Army . As a fulltime Apache pilot how did you find the time to write the AH-64 Walk Around publication . I cant wait for mine to arrive in the mail .

                                               Kind regards John

Yeah, the Walkaround is one of mine.  The In-Action book is ancient history, since it was written well before the Apache ever saw combat, but it isn't bad for some visual references on early -64A's. 

I really need to start writing again!

Jon

Hi Ray , I didn't realize that the AH-64 Walk around book was written by Cobrahistorian . The books will certainly be excellent christmas presents . Thanks for informing me about the author.

                                           Kind regards John

John,

  I assume one of them was Cobrahistorian's (Jon Bernstein).  You got some good stuff coming!

   Ray

I ordered the two Squadron Signal AH-64 Apache books today . They should arrive just in time for christmas . . I'm starting to compile a nice collection of squadron books .

                                                           John .

Thanks Jon. I do not know either of them, but when I go out there I will try to look them up. The only guys I know teaching out at the Apache course are Dave Stark, and a friend I can not even remember his name right now. (Sucks to get old). Frank Holmes! Frank use to be the branch chief arond 2001 or 02.

Charlie

No problem, I was a kid who hated school also and when I went to college I goofed off all year. But back then we had President Nixon who told me he had a job for me while I was trying to decide what I wanted to be. I was drafted in 71 and when I got to basic training I passed the WOC test and applied for flight school because I did not want to be a grunt in Vietnam. Turned out I never went anyway, but I never really had a desire to be a pilot until after flight school. I am one of those guys that ended up in a career field I never really thought of being in. I enjoyed it but not as much as most. Flying was always something I could take or leave. I did like GUNS though and I always made sure I ended up in the CAV units. They were a lot more fun than today's Army. I actually quit the Army after ten years and went back to college, seriously this time, and received a degree in finance. In 91 I was recalled to active duty for Desert Storm and decided to stay in and finish my career so I could retire. I love what I do now though, write C4I requirements for the aviation branch. I work with all the various TSMs helping them define their C4I rquirements on all aviation platforms and work with the CRD developing aviation command post C4I requirements. I love pushing a desk and model building. Hopefully my skills in modeling will improve.

Anyway thank you for the kind complements and I hope you get a chance to fly a helicopter some day. I would recommend a old 500, I always thought they were the true corvettes of helicopters.

Charlie

Thank's again Jon and Charlie . I must admit I sit here in awe and some-what overwhelmed at some of you guy's who are current/former military pilots or have/are serving in the military . Your knowlage and expertise on Helicopters is invaluable to modeler's like me . I left school at the age of 16 with below average grades in all subjects , It's not that I didn't try and study ,I just struggled terribly . I managed to get an apprenticeship as a Carpenter/Shopfitter and I've stuck with that for the last 28 years . I love Helicopters , never been up in one , would like to have the money to learn to fly but I guess it's okay to dream a little .

I have some AH-1F Cobra's in my stash , I'll dig one out and see if I can scratch up some of those Air Data Probes . Also last time I was browsing Squadron.com web site they had a couple of squadron signal publications on the AH-64 Apache , I think I'll order those for christmas . I don't have much in the way of reference material on the Apache .

Thank's again guy's , all of you who have military backgrounds certainly have my upmost respect and admiration and I alway's greatly appreciate everyone's help on all of my posts and questions/inquiry's.

                                             Kind regards John

Charlie,

Lemme know if you need any Hanchey flightline shots.  Got my wings in July 07 and got permission while I was there to take a bunch of pics for my Walkaround book.

If you get out that way, say hey to Greg Inman and Rick Pawluk.  Greg was my platoon leader while I was there and Rick was our senior IP.  I owe Rick a couple copies of my books.  

Jon

The Airfix box art shows the correct Air Data Sensors which would be on both engines. Is that what your are calling antennas? I noticed the box art did not show the support rod on the top of the engine that supports the engine cowling on the wing when opened. It looks like a little christmas tree with a flat round piece of metal and rubber on the top of the tree. Your second right fuselage spruce appears to have the old A model Air Data Sensor which was mounted on the top of the Mast on A models. The air data sensor should be fairly easy to scratch build. The fabs look fairly correct except missing some detail.

This is why I have stayed away from building the apaches...too many errors and my scratch building skills are still in their infancy. Maybe in the spring I will go talk to one of my old retired IP buddies that is teaching out at the flight line and let him escort me out to the ramp to take a bunch of walk-around images that I can post in here for references. Since 911 Rucker has greatly tightened the ability to take pictures on the flight line.

Charlie