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MRC/Academy 1/35 UH-1C Huey "FROG"

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Posted by Melgyver on Sunday, May 8, 2005 6:22 PM
Robert,

You can just put a "patch" there if you want! Leave it cromate green so it would show up. "Extra" detail, ha, ha! note the other three patches visible in the picture. Oh, since we are on the tail boom, the first bottom access panel should be mesh for the air flow from the transmission oil cooler. I forgot to take pictures of the bottom of a tail boom when we had a couple Mike models at a local Museum that went "bust"! It's partially visible in the picture of the "bullet hole". It is a smaller cirlce on the larger oval access panel.

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, May 8, 2005 9:22 AM
OK, I went out of my ways a bit yesterday. I drove for an hour to a neighbouring town, where the members of my local chapter of IPMS had advised me of a store with lots of good conten. And in the stack there, between the messy shelves PACKED with models, new and old, i find my beloved FROG!

So I am now a proud owner of the Seminar UH-1 C ("Huey Cobra??) and the Academy/MRC UH-1C FROG.

THe comparison is actually not too bad, the seminar model lacks a few places, and is definitively NOT a C, it has some of the pieces, like the wider chord tail fin and bigger horizontal stabilizers, but it does not contain the 540 Rotor System, it has the original one. This is OK however! I can now build both Royal Norwegian Air Forces models! They had 4 b's and 6 C's so I now have the opportunity.

I'd like to thank all you guys for helping explaining the differences and the pro's and con's of each model (And for allowing me to hijack the thread!).

I now need a good closeup picture of the top of the B's rotorhead, so that I can see the "chineese weights" so I can model those properly on my Seminar model!!

Thanks again!Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by wooty on Saturday, May 7, 2005 2:20 AM
Mel...
I noticed that this morning and was thinking if i should put the bullet hole in there aswell??
Better keep building
Robert

Rob..

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Posted by Melgyver on Friday, May 6, 2005 10:56 PM
Robert,

That is a Roger! Informally know as Ace of Spades II. There were also two Easy Riders. The close up of the Ace of Spades with the bullet hole in the tail boom was 170. Notice it is also more "pointed".

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Mel

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Posted by wooty on Friday, May 6, 2005 3:29 AM
Hi All
Just to clear up any confusion in which bird i am building well it is the #170 obviously because thats the only decal numbers that come in the kit ( except for
'SURFER" )
Is it true that #470 wore the ACE OF SPADES after the #170 was shot down?
Robert

Rob..

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Posted by Melgyver on Friday, May 6, 2005 12:44 AM
John,

Thanks for posting the drawings of the different sights!

Jon,

Thanks for posting the pictures of the two "Ace of Spades"!

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Thursday, May 5, 2005 8:34 PM
Hey all,

Here's two shots of "Ace of Spades" (Both birds to carry the name and art) from Mel.

Thanks Mel!





and the originally posted photo



The differences in sharkmouth are really apparent, as are the colors for the tail number, tailband, etc. #170's tail number is in white, while #470 is most definitely yellow. Also, look at the differences in the shape of the spade between the two birds. I've been staring at the black and white shot of #470 for half an hour now, and I could SWEAR that there's a yellow band around it. Am I going nuts?

"1-6 is in hot"
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Posted by grandadjohn on Thursday, May 5, 2005 7:40 PM
Think you are right, was posting from work with no reference material handy

rocket sight

mini-gun sight

40mm sight
sorry for the poor scans, hope this helps
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Posted by Melgyver on Thursday, May 5, 2005 6:12 PM
Mike,

I haven't a clue what the "HUD" looking sight on the right instrument combing was. It might have been an early "test" sight before they mounted the rocket sights on the pivot on the top windshield brace. The combing was only about 1/8" thick fiberglass and couldn't support much weight.

John,

I have to disagree with you about the Mini-gun and 40 mm sights mounting in the same place. The mini-gun sight mounted on a bracket at the left corner of the overhead panel inboard of the greenhouse. Check out SS Huey in action page 15 bottom right. The 40 mm sights mounted on a special triangle bracket supported by tublar framework across the rear 1/3 rd of the the left greenhouse. Check out SS Huey in Action page 11, top left and the supports are partially obscured by the Map light. This support and sights would have to be scratch built to have an accurate 40 mm sight installation. Sorry my scanned doesn't work I have a picture of the bracket looking up from inside and you cand see both mount brackets.

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Mel

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Posted by grandadjohn on Thursday, May 5, 2005 5:02 PM

The site you see in the picture is the M-5 sight in the stowed postion, to use it you pushed on the clip to lower it. This sight was for rockets only. There were different site used for the 40mm or the mini-guns and were mounted in the same position on the left side, both were stowed up in the same location(except on the left side) as the M-5 site. Both sights were different, please see Squadron's UH-1 in Action book for details of those sights.
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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Thursday, May 5, 2005 4:56 PM
Mel,

No need for an apology! Heck, I'd take your word over mine any day, you were THERE!
Can't wait to see the pics!
"1-6 is in hot"
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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, May 5, 2005 3:20 PM
then what is the HUD like device that sits on the instrument panel dashboard isn't that the 40mm sighting device?

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by wooty on Thursday, May 5, 2005 2:32 PM
Hi.
Thanks Gino. Sounds like a good idea! I am putting my Huey in a diorama so i will have to do a little sanding to make 'em fit in the closed posititon.
Will post some pics up tonight as it is 5:18 am and i am about to leave for work.
I should of took some pics before now 'cause i have already cliped and glued the fueslage around the cabin assembly. But i guess i got to wrapped up in building the kit and forgot to get a few snap shots..
Thanks Again for all the info..
Robert.

Rob..

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Posted by Melgyver on Thursday, May 5, 2005 12:31 PM
Mike,

The sighting system for the 40mm is not included in the kit. In Squadron Signal's In Action Huey book there is a picture on page 41. The best drawing I have is in the CrewChief Book 1 on the Huey on page 14. The XM-60 sight was for the rockets only. The XM-5 sight attched to a frame work in the greenhouse over the pilots head so the piviot point was about the same as the pilot turning his head. There were two telecoping tubes that came down to the sight which was a attached to a pistol grip on the right side of it. You gripped it as if you were holding a gun pointed skyward for the sight to be pointed out front. Pictue is worth a thousand words!

If you build the kit with the pilot doors open you should detail the lower half of them. Right door was flat with a couple access panels. Left door had an indention for the collective to clear it.

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by Melgyver on Thursday, May 5, 2005 12:07 PM
Guys,

Here is my "formal" appology to Jon, both Ace of Spades 170 and 470 had the "A's" in the corners. Warren confirmed this with pictures that showed them clearly. I don't know how to post them and asked Jon if he could. In the mean time if someone wants them now E-mail me.






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Mel

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, May 5, 2005 11:36 AM
might as well leave the doors open or else you lose all that great detail.

BTW the XM-60 flex-sight system was designed to be stowed away in the top of the cabin the gadget on the pilots side controlled the guns so if you build the version with the Chunker/Thumper 40mm and the 19 shot rocket pod do build the pilot side gun system but put it in the stowed position the only thing in the XM-60 sighting station that should be in the deployed position is the sight that is used for the rockets with the 40mm sight below it.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, May 5, 2005 9:06 AM
Robert,
When I built the Acadamy UH-1C (x3 now) the canopy was a little tricky. I glued one side carefully with a couple dabs of superglue, let them set, then flexxed and positioned the other side in place. Worked fine. The doors ar tight, didn't ven glue mine. They will stay in the open position, you may need a small dab of superglue on the hinges to help hold them open though. I is a great kit. Have fun and post some pics of your progress.

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Posted by wooty on Thursday, May 5, 2005 3:29 AM
Hey All!!!!
When you guys built this kit can any of yous remember if ya had any trouble fitting the front windshield?
Also the two front doors are a very tight fit aswell!!! Do i have the option of open or closed? Because the way they now it seems like the only option is closed.?
Hmmmm
Thanks Robert

Rob..

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Posted by Melgyver on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 11:23 PM
Jon,

170 was on the cover of the 1996 VHPA Directory. You can't tell if there are "A's" in the corners or not. I'll check with Warren Hewetson. He was supposed to put my picture albums in the mail this week. I could be wrong! Wouldn't be the first time and won't be the last! The supremem authortiy on this would have been Fred Thompson who unfortunately is no longer with us. We miss Fred dearly!

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 9:45 PM
Mel,

Fantastic! I knew 170 was shot down during Lam Son 719, but wasn't aware there was a second one. I'll have to dig out some of the photos I have of her on CD to confirm the A's on 170. I'm pretty sure I saw her on the cover of a magazine a few years ago and it was 170. The A's were present IIRC.

Yet another thing for me to research! Wink [;)]
"1-6 is in hot"
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Posted by Melgyver on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 9:38 PM
Jon,

The first Ace of Spades "170" doen't appear to have the "A" in the corners. I can't find a picture of it with the "A". However after it was shot down in during Lam Son 719 aircraft "470" was renamed Ace of Spades and it could have had the "A" in the corners. I don't have my picture ablums back from our Asst. Web "master" who was copying them to disk. I have a shot of the 2nd Ace of Spades and can verify the "A" or lack of on it when I get them back. "170" was armed with the mini-gun and 7 shot rocket pods. Surfer was armed with the 40 mm and 7 shot rocket pods prior to it being shot down.
I'm going to have our #1 Fan Club and Curator of the Offical 174th AHC Museum check on this and verify the "A" on the Ace of Spades or lack there of!

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by Cobrahistorian on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 3:17 PM
The markings provided for "Ace of Spades" are also incorrect. The aces each had an A in the corner, as a card would. I'm not sure if MRC has changed it, but the decals I got with the kit don't have em. Also, the kit says to use rockets and the chunker, Ace of Spades had miniguns as you can see in the photos already posted.
"1-6 is in hot"
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 4, 2005 3:10 PM
I did one of these a while ago as part of my fascination with the Huey. I wasn't very pleased and found the kit had a bit of a weird fit with the grenade launcher.

As well - I tried to figure how to mount the machine guns but couldn't figure out how - alas I will be working on another one, just not the version by Academy.
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Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 9:18 PM
mikeym please check your reference photo's for which rocket pod to use, the box style were discounted in use and replaced by the 19-shot pod which became standard in 1967
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Posted by Melgyver on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 7:33 PM
John is correct about the UH-1C not carrying the 40 mm, and mini-gun systems, plus 7 shot rocket pods or 19 shot pods. It couldn't get off the ground with all that weight with ammo unless it was single pilot and 10 minutes of fuel. Plus I don't think you could have all different armament control boxes mounted. The wiring would all be there but each system used different control heads and sights. I also don't know for sure if all UH-1C's had the nose "hard" points and extra bracing in the chin bubble for the 40 MM system. Those of you making the "Ace of Spades" and "Surfer" check out the 174th AHC's Web page. www.174ahc.org Under 1971 there is a story, "Rescue of Surfer's Crew" which shows the aircrews deication to each other's survival. Bruce Marshall was reunited with 3 of the Medevac crewmembers that rescued him at our 2003 Reunion.

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Mel

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 6:42 PM
LOL the HUEY Frog that I have is from the Sharks and it does have Ace of Spades and Surfer Girl markings.

Wooty that definitely is the same bird that is modeled in my Academy Huey Frog kit what you have is the Heavy Frog kit if it is supposed to have the box style rocket pods attached

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 5:59 PM
Robert
glad you got it
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Posted by wooty on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 2:12 PM
Thanks John,,
Recieved them this morning!!!
Spot on this time ..... exactly what i neded!!
Thanks and if there is ever anything i can do in the future....just let me know
C'ya
Robert

Rob..

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Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, May 3, 2005 1:14 PM
If you find it let me know, I would like to see it and I also preferred the mini-guns myself never though the 40mm was that great of a weapon
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