My AV-22, a new type of "Spooky" or "Spectre"

Trigger

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February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Friday, September 23, 2005 8:41 AM

Cabin Dimensions of the V-22:

6' x 6' x 24.17'

So, those are the dimensions that these weapons, ammo, fire control, 55 gallon drums for spent shells and - oh yeah, WSOs - all have to fit in.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:53 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by PanzerWulff

ok the amos looks cool but what is the Duce and a half from hell behind it lol

It appears to be the Bofors Archer BD 77

Edit: Info can be found at Boforsdefence

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PanzerWulff

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November 2004
From: Salisbury Massachucetts USA

Posted by PanzerWulff on Thursday, September 22, 2005 10:36 AM

ok the amos looks cool but what is the Duce and a half from hell Evil [}:)]

behind it lol

ACE??? you were NEVER an ace AN ace HOLE maybe! (Lister to Rimmer on BBC's RED DWARF) Chris"Hey GRAVITY still works"Gray

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Thursday, September 22, 2005 8:37 AM

I still stand by a "Four Horsemen" arrangement:

1) M230 (30mm from the Apache)
2) M242 25mm Bushmaster - or - GAU-12 25mm from the Harrier and AC-130U
3) 7.62mm Minigun - or - M61 20mm Vulcan
4) Unknown (possibly all new?) large caliber "crowd pleaser."

The GAU-8 was designed for the A-10 - why not design a new gun system for the AV-22?

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LemonJello

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February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:52 AM

Pretty cool! I had seen that article linked on another website. That would be the one to put all the big guns in, wouldn't it? You'd just need 2 1/48 V-22s, maybe a Herc or Provider body and a lot of evergreen and putty. I don't think I'll take that one on anytime in the near future. This "Baby Spooky" is keeping me plenty busy (when I get time to work on it, that is).

Well, maybe this weekend I can get some more interior work done and settle on how I want to make the guns...Any ideas?

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Trigger

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From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Thursday, September 22, 2005 6:07 AM

Yes. Thank you A_Marx!

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:00 AM

Bad link.
Did you mean THIS?

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Trigger

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February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:03 AM

Hey LJ, check this out...

http://aviationnow.ecnext.com/free-scripts...rticle=JLH09205

(Thanks to "General Grievous" over on ARC for the info)

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Cableguy9238

Member since
April 2005
From: SW Ohio

Posted by Cableguy9238 on Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:08 AM

Speaking of mortars, I just saw this. How about arming Spooky with AMOS:

http://www.primeportal.net/artillery/olof_nilsson/amos_photos.htm

Double the trouble, double the FUN. Evil [}:)]

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Mikeym_us

Member since
March 2004
From: Kincheloe Michigan

Posted by Mikeym_us on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:42 PM

aren't the 40mm grenade launchers in the 1/48 scale UH-1C Huey Hog kit about the diameter you looking for? because the 40mm grenade launcher and the 40mm bofors launch the same diameter shell but what you need is a brass tube the diameter you want then cut it to the desired length.

hmmmm I have a idea for a newer 40mm gun it looks like a MK19 but is bigger because of the size of the shell. just use the 1/35 scale MK19.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

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Trigger

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February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:35 PM

Bzzzzzzzzz. The Osprey and Cobra will merge wherever the beer is two-for-one and as soon as happy hour begins. Probably Rocky Mount, around 5:30-6:00.

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LemonJello

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February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 6:40 PM

Snake, thanks, I thought it was that simple, but too many moving parts at work have driven me to distraction lately. Now I have to see if I have anything that'll work for my barrels.

Trigger, she's sitting off the coast, slowly moving this way...we've pretty much battened down all the available hatches, pulled in the welcome mat and now we just have to wait. We're as ready as we can be to ride this one out.

Edited: No word problems! They're like the cobra to my mongoose...or the mongoose to my cobra. Either way, they make my brain hurt!

A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.

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Trigger

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February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 2:14 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by LemonJello
(Supposedly math is my friend, but I must have made it mad, it's doing me no favors lately).

If a V-22 takes off from New River and flies north at 300 kts, and an AH-1Z takes off from Pax River and flies south at 90 kts, then where and when will they pass each other?

BTW LemonJello - what's the latest on Ophelia? She still sitting there, spinning her wheels?

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AH1Wsnake

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December 2002
From: Modeling anything with "MARINES" on the side.

Posted by AH1Wsnake on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:29 PM

Scale conversions are pretty easy, just take your real-life measurements and divide them by the scale you are working on; 72, 48, 35....

For a cannon with an inner diameter of 30mm:
30mm / 48 = 0.625mm for the inner diameter of your scale cannon
40mm / 48 = 0.833mm

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LemonJello

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February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 1:14 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeym_us

you could drop large lead balls out of the back of the Osprey sure probably won't kill anyone but would surely scare em silly.

Or, to go a non-lethal route, the GIBs could dump boxes of rubber "superballs" out the ramp! That's sure to sow confusion among the enemy...could it be a useful crowd control technique? Probably not.

I hope to actually get some more work done in the next few days and get something new posted for comment.

Anyone have a reference site for doing scale conversions? I'm trying to figure out what diameter evergreen rod/tube I'll need for 30 and 40mm cannon barrels. (Supposedly math is my friend, but I must have made it mad, it's doing me no favors lately).

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Mikeym_us

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March 2004
From: Kincheloe Michigan

Posted by Mikeym_us on Tuesday, September 13, 2005 11:40 AM

you could drop large lead balls out of the back of the Osprey sure probably won't kill anyone but would surely scare em silly.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15 http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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eddie miller

Member since
May 2004
From: Burton, Texas

Posted by eddie miller on Monday, September 12, 2005 6:03 PM

LJ,
Your work here is very impressive as well as all the weapons suggestions. Now here's my "way out of left field" idea for your B model. The P-3 and S-3 have sonabouy dispensers in the aft end of the aircraft. Invert the disensers to the overhead( aft of the wing and near the cargo ramp) and convert them into mortar tubes to loose a volley as it flies over a target. Just a thought. Tongue [:P]

Eddie

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LemonJello

Member since
February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Monday, September 12, 2005 2:01 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by AH1Wsnake

QUOTE: Originally posted by Trigger74
Cool, that's a big gun. One question though - will it fit in a V-22s cabin?

A little Marine Corps ingenuity will MAKE it fit!

Yeah, but how do I make 550 cord and riggers tape in 1/48?

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AH1Wsnake

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December 2002
From: Modeling anything with "MARINES" on the side.

Posted by AH1Wsnake on Monday, September 12, 2005 1:40 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Trigger74
Cool, that's a big gun. One question though - will it fit in a V-22s cabin?

A little Marine Corps ingenuity will MAKE it fit! Approve [^]

True, that is one beefy gun, but all we need is for the breech mechanism to fit inside the cabin, right? lol.

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Monday, September 12, 2005 10:48 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Cableguy9238

I think what salbando is referring to is this:

http://www.defense-update.com/products/a/amsII.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/lav-m.htm
(scroll to bottom of this page, last pic and paragraph just above "specifications")

Mortars are generally described as a smoothe-bore, low-velocity, short-range weapons. They can be breech- or muzzle-loaded. Mortars can be anything from a cardboard firework tube and projectile to a massive railroad car mounted artillery piece firing projectiles the size of small cars.

Cool, that's a big gun. One question though - will it fit in a V-22s cabin?

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 12, 2005 9:06 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Cableguy9238

I think what salbando is referring to is this:

http://www.defense-update.com/products/a/amsII.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/lav-m.htm
(scroll to bottom of this page, last pic and paragraph just above "specifications")

Mortars are generally described as a smoothe-bore, low-velocity, short-range weapons. They can be breech- or muzzle-loaded. Mortars can be anything from a cardboard firework tube and projectile to a massive railroad car mounted artillery piece firing projectiles the size of small cars.

It's good to learn something new - I too thought that mortars were always muzzle-loaded. However, I notice that this one has a range of roughly 6 miles, so I'm not sure it could be described as short-range.

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Cableguy9238

Member since
April 2005
From: SW Ohio

Posted by Cableguy9238 on Monday, September 12, 2005 12:39 AM

I think what salbando is referring to is this:

http://www.defense-update.com/products/a/amsII.htm

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/lav-m.htm
(scroll to bottom of this page, last pic and paragraph just above "specifications")

Mortars are generally described as a smoothe-bore, low-velocity, short-range weapons. They can be breech- or muzzle-loaded. Mortars can be anything from a cardboard firework tube and projectile to a massive railroad car mounted artillery piece firing projectiles the size of small cars.

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Mikeym_us

Member since
March 2004
From: Kincheloe Michigan

Posted by Mikeym_us on Sunday, September 11, 2005 8:02 PM

yeah would someone have to go outside to load the launcher?

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15 http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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LemonJello

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February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Saturday, September 10, 2005 7:04 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by salbando

Later guys...I'm heading out Moose hunting. See you in a few weeks.

You know, my sister was bitten by a moose once...(Sorry, too much Monty Python as a teenager!)

How would a mortar-type system work? It sounds interesting, but I think there'd be some issues with it...for now I'll stick with cannons and miniguns.

A day in the Corps is like a day on the farm; every meal is a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade... The Marine Corps is a department of the Navy? Yeah...The Men's Department.

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Anonymous

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November 2005

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 10, 2005 6:27 PM

This just in....AFSOC has funded a proposal to see if it would be feasible for the AC-130U to employ the new 120mm mortar round/launcher that the US Army is developing. There's some good bang for the AV-22C-3 Mod2.

Later guys...I'm heading out Moose hunting. See you in a few weeks.

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Mikeym_us

Member since
March 2004
From: Kincheloe Michigan

Posted by Mikeym_us on Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:32 PM

hmmmm a 40mm grenade launcher gatling gun

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15 http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:58 PM

Yeah, I tried suggesting a 40mm grenade launcher a while back. A couple guys here with far better experience than I pointed out some problems with that idea.

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Mikeym_us

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March 2004
From: Kincheloe Michigan

Posted by Mikeym_us on Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:45 PM

I thought the new 40mm chain gun was a new grenade launcher

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15 http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Trigger

Member since
February 2004
From: Moooooon River!

Posted by Trigger on Saturday, September 10, 2005 11:48 AM

Since this is a "hypothetical" configuration, then why not a hypothetical new 40mm? Something designed with the V-22's cabin in mind?

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LemonJello

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February 2004
From: Green Lantern Corps HQ on Oa

Posted by LemonJello on Saturday, September 10, 2005 10:10 AM

I appreciate the suggestions, but I want a mix of weapons on this project. Maybe the Bofors wouldn't work, but a similar cannon shouldn't be a problem. I know there was a mention of a 40mm chain gun/bushmaster-type that the navy is buying. That could work in the Bofors' place?

Also, I'm limited to what I have on hand and what I reasonably think I can scratch together. I'm not getting AM stuff for this (other than what I already have), there's not a lot of 1/48 modern cannon out there and I don't want to delay the build by having to wait on an order to be delivered.

I like all the suggestions, though. It'll help me to make this a much more realistic "What If" build. Keep the input coming, everyone!

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