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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 22, 2005 9:40 AM
Just another prime example of what airframers and avi with too much free time can do to a perfectly good bird!
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Posted by NASA 736 on Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:22 AM

Hi, I'm sort of the new guy on the block, I guess.

The ole T-53 loooks great, I can almost hear the igniters snapping! You are correct about the fuel cell extension, they first showed up on the "Charlie" model, which later became the "Mike" model. (the picture shows a "Bravo" model) However, the fuel cells were integral to the fuselage behind honeycomb panels and had a dimpled engine deck on top.

The transmission cowling was sliced off to fit flush at that deck. Right at about "item 14" as shown on your drawing/link above. There is a panel line (correctly placed) on the on the kit so a quick pass with your favorite scribing tool will show it off just right.

Can't wait to see how the rest of the ship builds up!

Regards,

 

 

 

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Posted by grandadjohn on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:23 PM
I would paint the whole seat OD, I never saw black armor plates or seats in any Huey I worked on, seat cushions could be left red. All original Seawolf Huey's, both B and C models were drawn from Army stocks when the unit was formed. They were later re-inforced with E models as they became available
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Posted by Bones-coa on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 6:58 PM
So if I left the seats grey and painted the armour plates black or OD, I'd be ok...right?
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Posted by Chief Snake on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:45 AM
The red seats were common to UH-1B and D aircraft. The UH-1C and H usually had the green. But it was not unheard of for this to be different, it had to do with new versus replacement parts. All of the fabric could be replaced by the canvas shop, the panels were stock repair items. Since your seats are done and look fine, I'd leave them alone. Typically the armor portions OD green in that time period but it was not unheard of to see them repainted black either.

Chief Snake

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Posted by Chief Snake on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:40 AM
Replacement flight controls were usually stock items. If the control had been through depot repair it probably was painted black. The grey was the color called for when the aircraft were built and delivered. The new stick boots were always made in a grey material. If you see it black, it was painted black by someone who performed the repair or replacement of the stick. The requirement for black came with the TWX for NVG conversion in the 1980's, prior to that it was not regulated.

Chief Snake

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Posted by Chief Snake on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 8:34 AM
The cover was a modification to the deck that actually created the space for the tank to be installed. I have pics and drawings of all UH-1C stuff but I don't know how to post pics on the forum. The surface of the deck had tread pattern milled into it, painting the decks wasn't done because they were stainless steel and wouldn't keep paint on them.

Chief Snake

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Posted by intruder_bass on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:33 AM

Chief Snake,

I have a question about this service deck on top of the fuel tank. Did the surface of it have some anti-slippery lines ar relief? Was it mounted right on top of the tank or a little above it? Any pic of this dual hydraulic system components on the wall?

Thanks

Andy

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Posted by intruder_bass on Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:17 AM

Sorry but it looks like grey boot on Vietnam Era Hueys wasn't rare thing:

I have couple of other photos from Squadron Walkaround but I am too lazy to scan them)))))))))

Andy

 

 

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Posted by Bones-coa on Monday, December 19, 2005 10:09 PM
 Chief Snake wrote:
The photo you have posted is a UH-1B of Navy HAL3 Seawolves.

Chief Snake



That's correct.  It also says the horns "had a profound psychological effect on the enemy."

In any case, I tend to agree with you on that.  I don't think one should consider this bird typical.  With that, back to my orginal question.  Would the OD of the panels also be used on the seats?  I hope not.  I'd hate to have to redo the seats in OD. 
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Posted by Chief Snake on Monday, December 19, 2005 10:03 PM
This picture of the left side engine/transmission area is also a UH-1B with the exception that this is a US Army aircraft. The UH-1B had the fuel tanks located on each side of the fuselage behind the rear cabin wall and the fuel filler port was located on the right side of the fuselage. The UH-1C had an enlarged bladder installed on the left side and it extended into the service deck to the left side of the transmission. It had a protective cover built over it that could withstand the weight of a maintanence worker. The fuel filler was located on the left side of the UH-1C, it was raised up higher on the fuselage because of the larger tank size. The right side of the UH-1C service deck had the hydraulic system components located along the bulkhead that formed the internal cabin wall. This was a dual system and all of the components were ther in double. Kinda tricky to work around.

Chief Snake
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Posted by Chief Snake on Monday, December 19, 2005 9:41 PM
The photo you have posted is a UH-1B of Navy HAL3 Seawolves.

Chief Snake

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, December 19, 2005 9:28 PM
Definitely a strange aircraft.  Look at the airhorns and lights on the nose as well.  I wouldn't use this as an example of a standard UH-1B/C model. 

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Posted by Bones-coa on Monday, December 19, 2005 7:27 PM
Here's the pic I'm looking at.  I agree the more I look at it that the armour is OD.  However, would this mean the entire seat is OD?  Or just the panels themselves?

Also note the grey boots.  I have a few other pics that are B/W that the boots are definatly not black.  Needless to say, I can't determine what color it would be.

BTW, the caption says this is a B model.




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Posted by grandadjohn on Monday, December 19, 2005 4:15 PM

When I left the service in 1980 only some of our Huey's(no rhyeme nor why only some were done) reason had the forward portion of the floor only painted black, our unit had not been issued NVG's. Some still retained the Vietnam era OD paint, while some gad gone to the new Helo Drab.

Have no reason why Navy Huey's would have been different. Point in fact, we got one of our H models straignt from the Navy Depot after rebuild in Pensacola hand it was standard colors

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, December 19, 2005 9:40 AM
Thanks for the backup, grandad.  I don't think the sticks would have been repainted for any reason during the Vietnam war period.  Helo interiors were mostly gray till the mid-late '70s, when we started painting everything forward of the pilots' seats flat black to make them NVG compatible.  The gray made the NVG image too bright and washed out the optics.  No idea why the Navy helo would be any different either.

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Posted by grandadjohn on Monday, December 19, 2005 8:12 AM

Have to agree with Gino on the armoered seat's, never saw one that was gray, they were always OD. boots on both the cyclic and collective should be black. Fuel tank on the engine bay was not visable when the panels were open, should have metal plating from crew to stand on when working, Also the portion of the seat belts below the buckle were leather and should be painted brown.

Early Navy Huey's were drawn from Army stocks, until replaced by the E model, but interior parts were identical.

Hate to nitpick, but felt that I had to comment.

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Posted by intruder_bass on Monday, December 19, 2005 2:10 AM

You were right about the tank! Just checked the references - C mode had the larger left tank.

So now I have to put mine back in ))))))))))

Thanks for the hint

 

Andy

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Posted by Bones-coa on Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:45 PM
 HeavyArty wrote:
Interior is looking great.  Couple improvement I would suggest though.  The pilots' sliding armored panels were usually flat black or OD Green, not gray.  Also, the boot at the bottom of the cyclic, where it meets the floor was rubber and should be flat black, not gray.  Cyclics were usually gray as well, except for the aforementioned rubber boot at the bottom and the joystick grip at the top.  Same for the collectives, gray overall, black boot and upper grip, and cork brown or leather grip for the throttle (larger, straight portion between the boot and the grip at the top).  Lastly, if you plan on opening the engine access doors fully, the fuel tank should be black, they were made of self-sealing rubber.  Looking good.  A few tweaks and it will be great.  Good job.


I just took a second look at my references.  All the photos I have were taken during the Vietnam war.

I see examples of both grey and black for the armor plates.  Although, the one example of greay was on a Navy bird during the war.  Ok, I may have to change this.

Same with the boots.  Wait, the same Navy bird that had grey plates has grey boots.  So the Navy was done slightly different I assume?

All the pictures I have show both sticks to be all black. 

Are these variations normal?  Would they have been repainted for some reason during the helo's life?
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Posted by Heloguy on Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:54 PM
You did one hell of a job so far, you have a great talent in detailing, I mean, wow that is a great job so far.  I have no complaints here, with detail like that, paint it whatever color you want.
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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:03 PM
Interior is looking great.  Couple improvement I would suggest though.  The pilots' sliding armored panels were usually flat black or OD Green, not gray.  Also, the boot at the bottom of the cyclic, where it meets the floor was rubber and should be flat black, not gray.  Cyclics were usually gray as well, except for the aforementioned rubber boot at the bottom and the joystick grip at the top.  Same for the collectives, gray overall, black boot and upper grip, and cork brown or leather grip for the throttle (larger, straight portion between the boot and the grip at the top).  Lastly, if you plan on opening the engine access doors fully, the fuel tank should be black, they were made of self-sealing rubber.  Looking good.  A few tweaks and it will be great.  Good job.

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Posted by Bones-coa on Sunday, December 18, 2005 7:31 PM
That's a fuel tank.  Apparently it didn't exist there early in the helo's life.  I think I recall reading that the later ones had the left fuel tank replaced with a slightly taller tank for more capacity.  I assume that panel was cut out to let the tank protrude thru.

Again, don't quote me on that, but I think I do recall reading that somewhere.  Maybe someone else here will know more.

Here's a link to a diagram showing the slightly taller tank on the left side.

http://incolor.inetnebr.com/iceman/data/fuel1.jpg

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Posted by intruder_bass on Sunday, December 18, 2005 7:12 PM

Great work!

Its nice to see we are on pritty much same stage with you)))) I just finished the interior of my Huey today useing Eduard)))) but..... C version. I have this cilinder ammo box for 40 mm granede louncher right where your back seats are. I totaly agree - Eduard kicks ass)))) 

Just one question (as long as I am the only bad guy here))):

its about your engine pics - there is a thing on the left side of transmission compartment on the floor that looks like a tank or something. I dont know what MRC/Academy was trying to imitate.... but here is the pic of the real thing - and there is nothing there!!! The guy on the pic is standing on the floor - no tank at all!

So I just cut this thing of my kit part

Andy

 

 

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Posted by Bones-coa on Sunday, December 18, 2005 6:11 PM
 FMF Doc wrote:
Awesome!  Where did you get the seatbelt set from?  The hardware is perfect for making monkey straps (gunners belts) for the Academy 60's.


The seatbelts come from Eduard.  It's the interior set of this kit but I ended up purchasing the Big Ed set for it.  The interior set changes alot!  I spent an insane amount of time just applying all the Eduard changes to the interior.
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:59 PM
Awesome!  Where did you get the seatbelt set from?  The hardware is perfect for making monkey straps (gunners belts) for the Academy 60's.
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Posted by Bones-coa on Sunday, December 18, 2005 5:41 PM
 HeavyArty wrote:
Looking good.  Now get working on te rest of the helo.Big Smile [:D]




Already have.  Here's some pics of the interior.  It's not quite done.  As you'll notice, no pedels yet.  I also haven't glued the stitched sections of the seat belts yet.








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Posted by gdarwin on Sunday, December 18, 2005 11:45 AM
Smile [:)] the engine looks great,nice workBig Smile [:D]
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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, December 18, 2005 10:13 AM
Looking good.  Now get working on the rest of the helo.Big Smile [:D]

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Posted by Likittysplit on Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:54 AM
Nuthin' but nice work! WOW!!!
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