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Trump Hook front-end rework
Posted by oldhooker on Thursday, February 9, 2006 4:18 PM

Hey guys...

I used the picture of the assembled prototype to come up with the areas that would require rework... (see below)

I'm leaning toward sanding smooth the clear front piece, and using it as a mold to thermoform a new one, then scribe the correct window panels in it.      The front of the doghouse needs to be more verticle than it is, and seeing as how the "A" models had a two inch verticle seam between the front and side panels, I would excise the kit piece and use it to modify a new one. (see below)

I haven't seen a straight-on view of the front... can any of you that already have the kit, look at it and tell me if the sides of the forward pylon are verticle, or sloping toward the top?     If they are sloping in, one could remove the inspection doors, scratch a new rain shield to fit the expanded front and sides, then clean it up with puddy?

No, Troy, I haven't got one yet... kinda waiting around to see some reports first so I can get an idea of what it's going to take.      I'm still at an impass as to how to fix the aft lateral fuselage area between the back of the engines to the top of the ramp door... (see below)

It may be that this area will have to be removed altogether and another one formed from puddy... who knows... I'll cross that bridge when i come to it. Smile [:)]

Take care,

Frank

 

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Posted by J.H. Primm on Thursday, February 9, 2006 4:42 PM

On the forward pylon, the sides (work platforms) are very close to being vertical, no more than a 1 degree inward slope if that. One thing I didn't notice yesterday is that the forward pylon looks like it has a huge "scalloped" (for lack of a better word) area just under the rainshield starting on the forward crown area and tapering back to the first section of synchshaft covering.

I'm gonna have to look at some more photos to make sure this is right, I don't remember this feature going into the forward crown area on any of the As that I worked on.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Thursday, February 9, 2006 6:41 PM

Great info guys.  Keep it coming.

 

Sad [:(]Still waiting fro the DHL guy by the way.Sad [:(]Sad [:(]

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 10, 2006 12:31 AM

Gino

Sorry that your Hook is not there yet!! 

I hope it arrives very soon!!

Do you have the tracking info??  With that you would at least know where it was.

Our best wishes for you man.

MarkSmile [:)]

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Posted by J.H. Primm on Friday, February 10, 2006 4:41 AM

 

 

Okay here are some shots of how the interior of the aft pylon and a front end view of the forward pylon (sorry for the poor quality of photos)

But you should be able to get an idea of the problem the aft pylon interior poses if the ramp is posed in the lowered position.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Friday, February 10, 2006 9:14 AM
 marke wrote:

Gino

Sorry that your Hook is not there yet!! 

I hope it arrives very soon!!

Do you have the tracking info??  With that you would at least know where it was.

Our best wishes for you man.

MarkSmile [:)]

 

ARRRGGG!!!!Evil [}:)]

 

No tracking # available and I found out it didn't ship till 2 FEB, not 31 Jan.  Guess I'll have to wait a few more days.Sad [:(]

 

You may still get yours before me Marke.

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Posted by J.H. Primm on Friday, February 10, 2006 9:27 AM
 HeavyArty wrote:
 marke wrote:

Gino

Sorry that your Hook is not there yet!! 

I hope it arrives very soon!!

Do you have the tracking info??  With that you would at least know where it was.

Our best wishes for you man.

MarkSmile [:)]

 

ARRRGGG!!!!Evil [}:)]

 

No tracking # available and I found out it didn't ship till 2 FEB, not 31 Jan.  Guess I'll have to wait a few more days.Sad [:(]

 

You may still get yours before me Marke.

 

I had forgotten I had placed a order for one with Squadron until yesterday when they announced that they were shipping theres, so it looks as if I will have a second one arriving on Monday or Tuesday.Big Smile [:D]

 

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Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Friday, February 10, 2006 9:51 AM

If your going to do what I think you have planned for this kit.....You may need a second? I have been known to use up to three of the same kits to build ONE good one.

What do you mean by the upper aft pylon area where the APU would go....is that area not high enough, lacking MAJOR detail or just saying that the o'l dremel will be used?

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Posted by J.H. Primm on Friday, February 10, 2006 1:38 PM
 Papa-Echo-64 wrote:

If your going to do what I think you have planned for this kit.....You may need a second? I have been known to use up to three of the same kits to build ONE good one.

What do you mean by the upper aft pylon area where the APU would go....is that area not high enough, lacking MAJOR detail or just saying that the o'l dremel will be used?

Well, as the exhaust outlet on the aft pylon is above the "ceiling" in the interior of the kit, and given that most of that will have to be removed to make room for the APU to line up correctly and to make room for the aft transmission (or at least part of one) and the #7 and #8 synch shaft enclosure. along with other 'goodies' like flight boost pumps, a utility pump, generators, and all the associated plumbing and hoses (.e.g pressure and return lines pluse case drain lines for the pumps, along with wire bundles for the generators), and that isn't even counting stuff mounted on the sides like 200" accumulator, utility hydraulic cooler fan, plus all the flight control linkage on the forward upper port side of the interior where the push pull tubes and bellcranks transition up to the aft rotor system.

Yes, much easier to either leave the back end closed up, or do a D model. Confused [%-)]

If the D model pylon is set up like this one, you can get away with installing the drip pan and side panels for the aft transmission area, which means less detail, but the issue of the APU is still there

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Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Friday, February 10, 2006 2:29 PM
Wow man....your talking about a lot of detail work! PHEW! Can all that STUFF really be seen from looking upward on an A model? genratrors and all?
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Posted by J.H. Primm on Friday, February 10, 2006 3:30 PM

 Papa-Echo-64 wrote:
Wow man....your talking about a lot of detail work! PHEW! Can all that STUFF really be seen from looking upward on an A model? genratrors and all?

LOL! , yeah alot of stuff was visible once you lowered the ramp. The APU, aft transmission, synch shaft shroud and generators would be visible, The flight boost pumps and utility pump were located above the generators  and were pretty much hidden by the generators and all the plumbing.

 

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Posted by dninness on Friday, February 10, 2006 5:25 PM
 J.H. Primm wrote:

 Papa-Echo-64 wrote:
Wow man....your talking about a lot of detail work! PHEW! Can all that STUFF really be seen from looking upward on an A model? genratrors and all?

LOL! , yeah alot of stuff was visible once you lowered the ramp. The APU, aft transmission, synch shaft shroud and generators would be visible, The flight boost pumps and utility pump were located above the generators  and were pretty much hidden by the generators and all the plumbing.

 


Wouldn't a nice resin or blown styrene add-in be cool?  A drop-in aft tranny/AGB & APU assembly, sort of a tray looking device.


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Posted by Chief Snake on Friday, February 10, 2006 10:33 PM
OK, which one of you clowns has planted a micro mindreader transmitter in my head?

Chief Snake

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Posted by oldhooker on Friday, February 10, 2006 11:45 PM

Hmmm... this is getting more & more interesting as we go! Wink [;)]

This shot doesn't show inside the aft pylon very well, but displays the Stringers and associated surroundings in the area. 

(The Ramp Gunner is Mr. Rich Blakeley, on "Birth Control", mid '67.)

Take care,

Frank

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 11, 2006 12:00 AM

I like that Trumpeter atleast has a solid roof  under the aft rotor pylon!!

All the other Hook kits out there I've seen has a big hole there.

Just used the UPS tracking #  for my Trump Hook and it's in Kansas city Kansas!!  It's scheduled to arrive here on 14,Feb which is Tuesday!!!Big Smile [:D]

Gino!!   I hope you get yours soon!!

MarkSmile [:)] 

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Posted by J.H. Primm on Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:46 AM

 Chief Snake wrote:
OK, which one of you clowns has planted a micro mindreader transmitter in my head?

Chief Snake

Hey boss, it wasn't me, I swear!

Why? What were you thinking?

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Posted by Chief Snake on Saturday, February 11, 2006 8:22 AM
I was thinking much the same way as to what could be done and how to do it. In nearly the exact same words!

Chief Snake

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:56 PM

Hey all !!

I have a good idea what to use for the red neting along the walls.

You know those red mesh bags you buy oranges in?? Those should work good.   I have been saveing them lately just for this.   Looks like we will need alot of sheet styrene for the troop seating and other details inside the cargo cabin.   I noticed that the aft fuselage section has ribs on the inside walls. This should make good guides for making the stringers alinements.

In time I hope to see a nice interier detail set avalible for the A and D Trump Hook kits and also some nice exterier details too.

Just thought I would share the idea of the red neting with you guys.

Enjoy.

MarkSmile [:)]

 

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Posted by oldhooker on Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:05 PM

Either way, there's going to be some cut fingers and a BIG pile of sheet plastic shavings to take care of before this is over with! Shock [:O]

Take care,Wink [;)]

Frank

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Posted by bilbirk on Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:44 PM
So is this kit worth having if you have to do all these changes? Reading all this makes me want to avoid this kit, since it costs so much! Just asking cause all I have read are how much you have to change it
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Posted by HeavyArty on Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:37 PM

 bilbirk wrote:
So is this kit worth having if you have to do all these changes? Reading all this makes me want to avoid this kit, since it costs so much! Just asking cause all I have read are how much you have to change it

 

Still an awesome and welcomed kit.  Depends on how detailed you want to make it.  Still looks like a CH-47A out of the box too.  Can look awesome if you take the time and add some more detail to it.  No kit is perfect and as detailed as some like them to be.  Also, you are hearing most of this from guys who crewed them and know every bolt and rivet on the bird.  I think it is well worth it.  Its your wallet though.

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Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:21 AM

Here it iz in a nut shell mate.

What he said!....ts a good kit ....a dang good kit.

The only folks who have the right to be a bit miffed about some flaws are the lads who spent HOURS working in, on and under these bad boys and would see the kits problems right off the bat........ yes it is expensive but if you have been waiting oh...40 years for a DECENT sized Chinook model... its worth it.....I sold a few kits on ebay to get this puppy....kits I would have never built anyways.

If you like Chinooks and don't mind a few things that ONLY the pros would notice anyways and want a EARLY Vietnam style CH47 that would blow everyone away at yer local Hobby Contest DO IT!

All that detail under the rear pylon like in the AWESOME pic above which I believe is Franks super detailed 1/48 old Aurora CH47-A chinook.....to see all that stuff on any scale Chinook ( except by actuall picking it up ) one would need a dental mirror like those hard to please weasels at IPMS contest. Most folks will not notice or care.

UNLESS the builder wants to add all that detail....its all a choice....build for fun, build for accuracy or go crazy doing both?.....as long as your learning and having a good time....thats all that matters!

There will be plenty of aftermarket goodies for this kit out soon. Cobra Company makes EXCELLENT detail and correction kits for helos of all scales and I'm sure that Eduard will have some sets out as well.  This board will probably have TOP THREADS loaded with WHAT TO DOS, HOW to do its and all that kind of stuff.

 

Straighten up and fly right.....
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Posted by gdarwin on Sunday, February 12, 2006 12:31 AM
Big Smile [:D] hi guys i shuold have my hook by the end of next week,i hope,but in the meantime i just got my h-43 b huskie to keep me busy until i get the hook.have a great modeling day all.Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 12, 2006 4:19 AM

Hi gang.

I've been checking out  www.chinook-helicopters.com for details for making my Ch-47A Trump Hook accurate as possible and I came across some pix of a Hummer inside the cargo cabin!!!Shock [:O]   I've heared rumors that one would fit inside a Hook but I had never seen it.  Well, I'm a true believer now!!Big Smile [:D]   It sure is a tight fit though.  I like that site a bunch becouse it has all kinds of good stuff on the Chinook.   I go there very often.   I found some nice pix of the interier that will deffenitly come in handy!!

MarkSmile [:)]

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Posted by J.H. Primm on Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:07 AM
 marke wrote:

Hi gang.

I've been checking out  www.chinook-helicopters.com for details for making my Ch-47A Trump Hook accurate as possible and I came across some pix of a Hummer inside the cargo cabin!!!Shock [:O]   I've heared rumors that one would fit inside a Hook but I had never seen it.  Well, I'm a true believer now!!Big Smile [:D]   It sure is a tight fit though.  I like that site a bunch becouse it has all kinds of good stuff on the Chinook.   I go there very often.   I found some nice pix of the interier that will deffenitly come in handy!!

MarkSmile [:)]

Yes it is a tight fit, and I don't know who started the whole "A Hummer wont fit" thing, but I found myself having to reply every time I saw it posted that "Yes, they will fit" because I was involved in loading more than a few of them... we opted to take out the troop seats because it made it somewhat easier.

Now, something that some people may not know, is that 2  105mm Howitzers can be loaded internally! I've verified this with people who have done it.

On the port side of the cabin about half way back there used to be an recepticle labeled "missle heat plug" this was to facilitate transport of the Honest John and Lance missiles.We figured a way to use this set up to run a coffee maker and hot plate.

Something I always liked about Chinooks is that a crewmember had all kinds of room when we weren't hauling stuff.


 

 

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Posted by J.H. Primm on Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:14 AM

 bilbirk wrote:
So is this kit worth having if you have to do all these changes? Reading all this makes me want to avoid this kit, since it costs so much! Just asking cause all I have read are how much you have to change it

Absolutely! As has been mentioned, anyone not intimately familiar with this aircraft will not have any issues with it. What the Academy CH-46 series is to 1/48th, this kit is to 1/35th.

The MSRP is a little steep, but it can be had for about $115.00 at various on line shops. I imagine this will change after the "new" has worn off. 

If Hobby Lobby decides to carry it a person could conceiveably get one in the  $55-$65 price range during one of their half price sales. 

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Posted by dninness on Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:14 PM
 J.H. Primm wrote:
 

On the port side of the cabin about half way back there used to be an recepticle labeled "missle heat plug" this was to facilitate transport of the Honest John and Lance missiles.We figured a way to use this set up to run a coffee maker and hot plate.

120v, 400cycles, and it fit a regular wall plug. (I always thought that was odd.Get poked by that when you're back farting around the generators and you'll know it..)  I saw 2-3 of the guys in our platoon (In case you haven't figured it yet, Johnny was my platoon sergeant way back 'in the day'..Crusty old b**tard..<GRIN> ) with hotplates, coffemakers, popcorn poppers and the like rigged that way.  You ain't lived in the field 'til you've had an "egg mcmuffin" made on one of those old hot-oil popcorn poppers. Mmmmm. Yummy.

Also, what Johnny says about room is too true. Heading out to the field for a week, I used to tell the pilots "Don't sweat it if she hovers nose low.. I have a ton of pogey bait behind the sound proofing.." Crap like chips, bread (MREs can be made much better with bread, FYI), soda, *cough* beer cough*, etc.

If you're ever looking to detail a Charlie model (which I eventually will be, depending on what mods I'll have to make to the Trump Delta when its released), I can provide a lot of anecdotal information about ways we configured the interiors of our aircraft.  Mind you, there wasn't an "army standard" way, it varied from unit to unit and location to location.  (ie. US units might have removed the armor plating over the SAS boxes next to the companionway, whereas in Korea we kept them installed, etc.)  I have photos, too, but not in the "museum quality" way you'd probably expect :)
Darin Ninness 213th Avn Co, ROK 86-89 CH-47C, 67-18500 "The Pride of Texas"
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Posted by oldhooker on Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:23 PM
 J.H. Primm wrote:

Hobby Lobby decides to carry it a person could conceiveably get one in the  $55-$65 price range during one of their half price sales. 

Yes.... that's what I'm waiting on! Wink [;)]     

If we play our cards just right, and exercise a little patience, we could score both the Trumpeter 1/35 & the new 1/48 Italeri CH-47 for under $100, total! Shock [:O]Wink [;)]    

Yeah, that's what I'm waiting on... Smile [:)]

Take care,

Frank

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Posted by bilbirk on Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:37 PM
Ok you all convinced me
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Posted by Papa-Echo-64 on Sunday, February 12, 2006 7:08 PM

RIGHT ON!!!   You will not regret it.

Straighten up and fly right.....
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