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Posted by rotorwash on Friday, April 13, 2007 7:54 AM

Mel,

  Sorry about that.  I never knew the official definition of the "doghouse" and always just referred to the entire raised area on the roof as such.  thanks for straightening me out there!

        Ray

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Posted by skypirate1 on Friday, April 13, 2007 9:34 AM

 Mel

i originaly typed cowling vents but edited it and copied Ray lol as hes usually better than me with the technical stuff.

Andy

While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first.
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Posted by Melgyver on Friday, April 13, 2007 2:53 PM

The "hell hole" is the area directly under the transmission also where the large opening is under the belly for the cargo hook.  There were transmission oil lines, hydraulic lines, and fuel lines all in this area and subject to leaking.  So with the tight confining space, dirty and oily to boot, it became known as the "hell hole". 

 

 

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by Bounce19712 on Saturday, April 14, 2007 8:32 PM

More questions:

center console on the hueys,,,there is two levers with usually yellow knobs on the left side of console...one forward with linkage leading down infront of circuit/breaker?panel on floor; the other mounted to the rear of the center console...I'm going to build'em...I'd like to know what they are/ do??

early D models had vertical intake vents...did this correspond to yellow stenciling on the aircraft?  stencils such as the serial # and other small info stencils on the outside...compared to later horizontal intake vents which had black stenciling on the aircraft??

early additions of the D model had an L-7 and L-9 T53? comparative to the B-model?? (temperature, density, and altitude sensitive concerning gross weight)  can anyone elaborate?

both pilots had "map lights"? on the side of their overhead panel...was it white lensed or red?

what is that "sun visor" looking thing over the pilots heads in between the greenhouse and the windshield?  it's got electric running to it? another light?

left chin bubble, forward portion, is a junction box looking device with large diameter conduit running out of it from beneath the floor and up into the back of the instrument panel...was this power / data cabling?

I am seeing squared off foot plates that extend out over the chin bubble area...like foot rests...underneath the pedals....early models just had a 1/4 inch aluminum plate sticking out compared to rounded and lipped / cupped foot plates?

On the AC's side of the nose , just below the windshield, on the outside...is a small fastening point for what I'm guessing is either to hold the avionics compartment door open or to have a telltale string that would indicate crosswind??  it looks like a bent over hook...nothing more

on the bulkheads with the sound dampening material there is mounting plates....same type as located on the two seat posts/ smoke grenade posts separating the gunners compartment from the rest of the rear compartment...they have round holes that narrow into slots below the holes....what is meant to go there? where these mounting plates hidden for the most part behind more sound material or just not installed on later models?

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Posted by Melgyver on Saturday, April 14, 2007 11:28 PM

I guess you need to enrole in a 67 November School online somewhere!  Heh, heh!  Don't know how to do the fancy "cut and paste" of the questions, so for the rough "cut"!

center console on the hueys,,,there is two levers with usually yellow knobs on the left side of console...one forward with linkage leading down infront of circuit/breaker?panel on floor; the other mounted to the rear of the center console...I'm going to build'em...I'd like to know what they are/ do??

The forward one on the left is for the air for the defrosting vents in the chin bubble and windshield.  It "turns on" the heat.  The rear one is only on birds with external stores.  It pulls mechanical pins which will drop the rocket pods. 

early D models had vertical intake vents...did this correspond to yellow stenciling on the aircraft?  stencils such as the serial # and other small info stencils on the outside...compared to later horizontal intake vents which had black stenciling on the aircraft??

There is no corelation that I know of, just a change in the "painting standard".  Went from High Visiblity to Low Visibility paint jobs.

both pilots had "map lights"? on the side of their overhead panel...was it white lensed or red

The external lens was clear but you could rotate the end section and it shifts a red lens to have red light in the cockpit.

what is that "sun visor" looking thing over the pilots heads in between the greenhouse and the windshield?  it's got electric running to it? another light?

It is a cover for the windshield wiper motor.  It is covered in 1/4 foam, usually black.

left chin bubble, forward portion, is a junction box looking device with large diameter conduit running out of it from beneath the floor and up into the back of the instrument panel...was this power / data cabling?

It is a radio on a rack in the chin bubble.  Not all birds had them, may have been a navigational radio?

I am seeing squared off foot plates that extend out over the chin bubble area...like foot rests...underneath the pedals....early models just had a 1/4 inch aluminum plate sticking out compared to rounded and lipped / cupped foot plates?

You are seeing right!  Just normal improvements.  Cupped sides kept a little more dirt from falling the chin bubble and didn't need the extra little rod support. 

On the AC's side of the nose , just below the windshield, on the outside...is a small fastening point for what I'm guessing is either to hold the avionics compartment door open or to have a telltale string that would indicate crosswind??  it looks like a bent over hook...nothing more

That is a vent for the battery.  It's shaped to catch air and force it into one side of the battery and another vent exits the air and any gases out the bottom vent. 

 

on the bulkheads with the sound dampening material there is mounting plates....same type as located on the two seat posts/ smoke grenade posts separating the gunners compartment from the rest of the rear compartment...they have round holes that narrow into slots below the holes....what is meant to go there? where these mounting plates hidden for the most part behind more sound material or just not installed on later models?

Those are for special plates that slip in that have the locking brackets to secure the end of the litters in Medevacs.  Special straps with the same type of locking brackets were used on the out board sides for the litters. 

After all that I guess I just figured out what the "Quote" is for!  Never claimed to be a competent computer operator!  M-60 maybe!

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by Bounce19712 on Sunday, April 15, 2007 6:33 AM

10-4..thanks so much for your time and service to our country!

 

I thought I was seeing a correlation with red nylon seating,hi-vis paint jobs, and vertical intakes......regardless.....I'm getting down to decision making time on what exactly I want to build.....

 

Gino's pics of Serpent 6 helo looks to me to be a low -vis?? because of the sliding door's instructions I think are in yellow??  or wait a minute....what is the paint job with the early helos that say ARMY on the tail boom instead of United States Army?...it's a darker drab with a gloss finish....and then there's the yellow stenciled editions with the black United States Army on the tail boom...and then there's the Black stencils and United states army on the tail boom....I'm confused....but it looks like Serpent Six has yellow stencils....

 another neat thing I found was cross-referencing Hal Moore's Ia Drang story with Robert Mason's ChickenHawk book.....Moore lists Mason as one of the pilot's that went in at night to pick up some of the WIAs from the Albany battle...and Mason has it in his book too....

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Posted by rotorwash on Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:34 PM
 Bounce19712 wrote:

10-4..thanks so much for your time and service to our country!

 

I thought I was seeing a correlation with red nylon seating,hi-vis paint jobs, and vertical intakes......regardless.....I'm getting down to decision making time on what exactly I want to build.....

 

Gino's pics of Serpent 6 helo looks to me to be a low -vis?? because of the sliding door's instructions I think are in yellow??  or wait a minute....what is the paint job with the early helos that say ARMY on the tail boom instead of United States Army?...it's a darker drab with a gloss finish....and then there's the yellow stenciled editions with the black United States Army on the tail boom...and then there's the Black stencils and United states army on the tail boom....I'm confused....but it looks like Serpent Six has yellow stencils....

 another neat thing I found was cross-referencing Hal Moore's Ia Drang story with Robert Mason's ChickenHawk book.....Moore lists Mason as one of the pilot's that went in at night to pick up some of the WIAs from the Albany battle...and Mason has it in his book too....

Bounce,

  The high vis paint job, large white letters, and bright red seats were all hallmarks of early Hueys.  Before it was figured out that glossy paint jobs and bright colors aren't very conducive to aircraft camouflage and giant white letters made great targets!

    Ray

PS:  I have learned that ththis photo which I posted earlier is one of the YUH-1D prototypes.  As you can see it has all the features you mentioned and I think it illustrates the point about how much more vulnerable an aircraft painted as such would be to ground fire.

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Posted by Bounce19712 on Sunday, April 22, 2007 5:48 AM

UH-1D QUESTIONS

back of the pilot seats had large springs....what was the purpose? and were some partialy covered by a guard or were they completely exposed from top to bottom?   different models have different stencils on the back of the seats....I assume it's for instructions on how to swing the seat to the rear?  did the red handles do this?

main rotor blades had a stainless steel leading edge...was this painted black or is it different metallic color

Main rotor shaft was polished steel? alloy?  blade grips, pitch horns, control arms coming from the trans housing, counterweights....was any of this stuff grey in color or is it all different metal colors?

black deck paint in the H shape for non-skid? would early D models with red seats have the deck paint too?

the small forward cargo doors had a ring/pin in the hinge.....what did the pilot doors have?

on occassion hueys were waxed....would this account for the gloss or semi-gloss appearance? as well as a factory gloss??

take a look at pic...the placard behind the pilots door at eye level slides inot little guide rails....I've seen this one, and another numbered 2...is that for "grunt" referrrence?

I'm gonna build Serpent Six or another D model.....whichever I can find more detailing photos of....anyone have some good pics?

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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, April 22, 2007 9:04 AM

Some UH-1D answers: 

back of the pilot seats had large springs....what was the purpose? and were some partially covered by a guard or were they completely exposed from top to bottom?   different models have different stencils on the back of the seats....I assume it's for instructions on how to swing the seat to the rear?  did the red handles do this?

The springs are there to allow the seats to compress and absorb some of the shock in a crash.  The stencils usually talk about the seat belts and how to release them in an emergency situation.  The seats did not swing to the rear though.  Later versions did tilt back to make extraction of pilots in a crash easier.  The red lever was for this tilt action.

main rotor blades had a stainless steel leading edge...was this painted black or is it different metallic color
 

The entire blade was painted.  Some had black undersides and OD Green upper portions.  Later in the war, white or yellow was added to large portions of the blades for visibility.  Too many Soldiers were walking into the rotor cone and being killed.

Main rotor shaft was polished steel? alloy?  blade grips, pitch horns, control arms coming from the trans housing, counterweights....was any of this stuff grey in color or is it all different metal colors?
 

All parts are various bare metal.  Some appear gray due to the type of metal though.

black deck paint in the H shape for non-skid? would early D models with red seats have the deck paint too?
 

Usually, this was done by the crewchiefs to cover worn areas and help with the footing (as you said, non-slip). Some D models had it as well.  Often it was simply black paint with sand mixed in.

the small forward cargo doors had a ring/pin in the hinge.....what did the pilot doors have?
 

Pilot's doors had similar pin/ring hinges as well.  This is what made them easily removable.

on occassion hueys were waxed....would this account for the gloss or semi-gloss appearance? as well as a factory gloss??
 

It could.  Rubbing them down with oil or diesel fuel also gave a temporary gloss finish for visiting VIPs to look at the shiny hardware.

take a look at pic...the placard behind the pilots door at eye level slides inot little guide rails....I've seen this one, and another numbered 2...is that for "grunt" referrrence?
 

Could be, it was also use to list armaments and for maintenance logs when undergoing scheduled maintenance.

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Posted by skypirate1 on Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:43 PM

Hi Bounce

back of the pilot seats had large springs....what was the purpose? and were some partialy covered by a guard or were they completely exposed from top to bottom?   different models have different stencils on the back of the seats....I assume it's for instructions on how to swing the seat to the rear?  did the red handles do this?

I posted a video in the huey thread that shows the pilots seats being lowered and the levers you use to do it. Its a modern huey so i dont know if this was possible or not in the early UH-1D's, il try and find the link and post it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHMXEHDMUl0

Hope this helps

Andy

While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first.
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Posted by Bounce19712 on Sunday, April 22, 2007 4:53 PM

 

I did some fitting last night with the chin bubble and will now be searching for a thinner manufacturing method of clear plastics for the Panda-monium.

 

I've heard acetate film is heatable.....has anyone done this??  where can I buy the stuff onl ine?

 

I've reworked the chin bubble structure area and pedals with rivet holes, avioninc wiring, and whatever you call the big holes they make in the frames to make them lighter.....and you cant see SQUAT!! with the original chin bubble plastic....it's like bottom of coke bottle....

I cant work with this...I'm an ARTIST!! heheheh.....

I thought about dipping different types of clear plastics in boiling water....anyone tried this??

 

 

 

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Posted by skypirate1 on Sunday, April 22, 2007 10:16 PM

Bounce

I would looove to see pictures of your huey when shes done Smile [:)] the detail your adding sounds amazing! Loved the picture you posted further up of serpent 6. Ive been gathering pictures and info for the 229th model im working on for months now and managed to get a nice little collection, if you want to share pictures let me know, pm me or something. 

If you do decide to go with building Serpent 6 and was planning on using the decals for the 229th "winged assault" on the nose, i just thought i should point out incase you had missed it (as i nearly did) aside from the obvious snake motif in the Alpha door markings if you look closely at the nose crest on serpent 6 although it has the same blue and red colours its white detail inside the colours is totally different from the rest of the 229th helos. You may already have spotted this, but if not check the pictures you have, you might have a clearer one than me.

I hope you dont mind me pointing it out but as i nearly missed it i would hate to think after all the work your putting in you finish it off with the wrong nose marking, after i noticed it, it was enough to sway me to building one of the other 229th hueys.

Give me a shout if your interested in the pictures Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Andy

 

While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first.
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Posted by Bounce19712 on Monday, April 23, 2007 9:08 AM

no I didn't notice the "winged assault " differences....but yes yer right!!! but I can't enlarge enough to identify the finer details of what's going on with the crest....see here:

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that's Crandall's bird in the foreground....what's his peter pilot doing!?? getting his pipe going or what!?..hehehe

I'm pondering how to make the snake inside the triangle.....

what was Crandall's huey number??

 

as far as photos go....you show me yours and I'll show you mine!! :P  yes show me yours please...:)

 

thanks alot for your help!!!

 

 

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Posted by Bounce19712 on Monday, April 23, 2007 10:03 AM

ooooo,

referring to your last post...

well I don't want to make it sound like it's really good dude,  here...I poked holes in the plastic with a straight pin to simulate rivets, I've wrapped the closest gauge wire I could find around a stick pin to simulate the seat springs...(I'm gonna call them crash springs...lol), and I've done a little drilling of holes and widening of others.....plust some sanding to try to accurize the scale...all at work mind you!! yeah!!! gettinn paid baby!!

 

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Posted by intruder_bass on Monday, April 23, 2007 10:17 AM

 Bounce,

referring to your post about the clear plastic chin bubbles...

Go to Squadron.com they sell stuff called Thermo-form (something like that) It is clear plastic sheets specially designed for what you need.

  Good luck

Andy

 

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Posted by skypirate1 on Monday, April 23, 2007 3:12 PM

Bounce

That picture you posted of the nose crest is a close up of the Operation white wing photo i mentioned earlier in your thread, i have a few others but thats the best shot of the crest i can find, i have to many 229th pics to post on here.

The progress pics are looking good. Heres a close up of the serpent six snake motif, might come in handy if you dont already have it

Andy

While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 24, 2007 2:03 PM

Hello all, fng, but I have been working on a Panda D model also for awhile now and have been following the threads here on FSM.  Although I'm not going to model Crandle's bird, I am working on building 63-8794 which was flown quite often by Robert Mason.  I have read Chickenhawk several times and decided to built 879 which was known as "Reachers ship".  I have found that Robert Masons website has some good pics on it for those looking for pics of early 229th ships. http://www.robertcmason.com/

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Posted by Melgyver on Wednesday, May 2, 2007 3:46 AM
 Bounce19712 wrote:

UH-1D QUESTIONS

back of the pilot seats had large springs....what was the purpose? and were some partialy covered by a guard or were they completely exposed from top to bottom?   different models have different stencils on the back of the seats....I assume it's for instructions on how to swing the seat to the rear?  did the red handles do this?

 The large springs on the back of the seats were to compensate for the weight of the seat to allow easier movement when adjusting the height.  There were two levers for height and fore and aft adjustment. 

main rotor blades had a stainless steel leading edge...was this painted black or is it different metallic color

Main rotor shaft was polished steel? alloy?  blade grips, pitch horns, control arms coming from the trans housing, counterweights....was any of this stuff grey in color or is it all different metal colors?

There was usually some type of finish on all metal parts.  The masts were sometimes painted silver, the blade grips, pitch horns, and control tubes were all painted, stab bar center section and mixing levers had some sort of sealer over the aluminum alloy.   Only the magnesium parts such as the rotating ring and swashplate yoke were unpainted and were the dark grey color of the metal. 

black deck paint in the H shape for non-skid? would early D models with red seats have the deck paint too?

the small forward cargo doors had a ring/pin in the hinge.....what did the pilot doors have?

There was a pin arrangement from the inside attached to a cam and a yellow "T" handle on the inside about the height of the tope hinge was safety wired with copper wire to prevent accidental jetison of the door but allow quick removal.

on occassion hueys were waxed....would this account for the gloss or semi-gloss appearance? as well as a factory gloss??

take a look at pic...the placard behind the pilots door at eye level slides inot little guide rails....I've seen this one, and another numbered 2...is that for "grunt" referrrence?

Yes, identifed the ship as which position it was in the flight usually.  VIP's such as the General's star was also painted on them. 

I'm gonna build Serpent Six or another D model.....whichever I can find more detailing photos of....anyone have some good pics?

I guess I still don't know how to use the "quote" feature right!  I'm having neck surgery tomorrow so will be off line for a short while.  Maybe I can put my "skill" where my "knowledge" is and build something while I'm home the next 3 or 4 months.  Saw a couple Shark UH-1C's a guy built for our Unit Reunion and they gave me some inspiration.

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:27 PM

Hi everyone, I'm new to the forum. I'm a military historian and an illustrator. I'm currently working on illustrations of Hueys associated with Medal of Honor actions from Vietnam. I just recently completed illustrations of Bruce Crandall's and Ed Freeman's A Company, 229th ships. I had the pleasure and honor to talk to Mr. Crandall about the markings and details of his and Ed's ships. One note of caution - Bruce and Ed don't remember all the "minute" details of their aircraft at the Ia Drang battle - that's only to be expected after 40+ yrs!  However - Joe Galloway took color photos of the LZ X-Ray battle on November 14, 1965, and he has three photos showing 229th aircraft. Two are A Company ships, one is C Company. Based on what Bruce Crandall and Ed Freeman remember, and on the details that are evident from Joe Galloway's photos - here's what I have on their ships:

229th crest on the nose - YES. It was there. Bruce Crandall is definite about that. There's always the possibility that he doesn't accurately remember when the crest was applied, but until photos appear that prove otherwise - put the crest on the nose.

M23 gun mounts for the M60 - NO, not there. None of the photos from Joe Galloway show any ship at LZ X-Ray with the mounts. Also the photos do not show any bungee-mounted M60s. No weapons of any kind on at least three of the ships that flew into the battle on the first day.

1st Cav Division insignia - small division insignia on rear of tail boom, aft of the "danger" arrow. Not on the tail. This comes from Bruce and Ed.

Cargo doors - no cargo doors on the ships at LZ X-Ray. They were removed. The cargo doors, both front and rear, are missing from all three ships photographed by Joe Galloway at LZ X-Ray. If you examine other photos taken of 229th Hueys, the smaller front cargo doors are always missing/removed. The larger aft doors - sometimes there, sometimes off. My suggestion based on Galloway's photos - take all the cargo doors off for the Ia Drang action. I illustrated Bruce Crandall's aircraft with the rear cargo door on, but may change this based on Galloway's photos.

High visibility markings - Some were on the ships at LZ X-Ray. I'm talking about the yellow vertical stripes on the rear of the cabin behind the cargo door opening, and the red vertical stripe down the rear portion of of the engine housing. Joe Galloway's photos show all three ships with these markings. ALso, the small informational data was still in high visibility yellow (stuff like serial number and aircraft data, turn handle, etc,) The rest of the markings were subdued - US ARMY, tail number. NO yellow stripe on the tail boom - those were gone by LZ X-Ray.

D model pitot tube and antenna on nose - YES. They were there.

Small numbered placards behind the pilot's doors. These indicated the position of the ship in the combat assault formation. They were on the aircraft at LZ X-Ray. Bruce Crabdall's ship was number "1" - lead ship in the assault. Ed Freeman's ship was number "2". One of Joe Galloway's photos show a nice close-up of ship number "2" on the ground at X-Ray, dumping supplies while a wounded soldier is being carried up to the aircraft.

Antennas strung on along the tail boom (early D models) - Ed Freeman's ship had this - Joe Galloway photo shows it. Not sure about Bruce Crandall's ship - he doesn't remember and photos don't show conclusively.

A/C numbers or ship numbers - neither Bruce nor Ed remember their a/c or ship numbers from LZ X-Ray. Mr. Crandall told me that in the early days they flew whatever ship was available for the mission - crews weren't assigned to specific ships. My suggestion - the 229th Hueys had three digit ship numbers painted in black below the 229th crest on the nose. Photos show Bruce Crandall flying ship "888" on occasion, so use this number unless more definitive data comes along. His tail number would be "00888" in black. Ed Freeman flew ship "775" on occasion, so use that ship number on nose - tail number "00775".

A Company insignia on pilot's doors - as stated in a previous reply, Mr. Crandal had a unique door insignia. It was a rattlesnake, smoking a cigar and blowing smoke out its nose, coiled inside the A Company blue triangle. Ed Freeman had the normal blue triangle without any other decoration. As an interesting side note - Mr. Crandall told me this: Because they didn't have assigned aircraft, his crew chief would unhinge and remove Crandall's distinctive doors at the end of a mission. When they prepared to fly the next mission, the crew chief would take the doors out to the new ship, remove its doors, and install Crandall's "Ancient Serpent 6" doors on the aircraft!

Sorry for the length of my post, but I hope this helps those who are interested in these two 229th aircraft. I can provide clean, crisp, detailed art of the 229th crest, Bruce Crandall's door insignia, a normal A Company triangle insignia, and the 1st Cav Division insignia for anyone who wants to try making them into decals. I have about 35 Vietnam Huey illustrations posted on my website http://vietnam-hueys.tripod.com/ so far, with more illustrations coming. I have four Medal of Honor associated Hueys posted at the moment, including Bruce Crandall's and Ed Freeman's. I hope you will check it out!

Geoff

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Posted by Bounce19712 on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:59 PM

you bet!!!  I'll check it out...

 

thanks for your efforts

 

 

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Posted by HeavyArty on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:02 PM
Great info, thanks Geoff.

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Posted by skypirate1 on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:38 PM

Thanks so much for the info Geoff. That confirms alot of what i have seen in pictures and on film.

nice oneThumbs Up [tup]

off to check out your site now Big Smile [:D]

Andy

[Edit] fantastic site and fantastic artwork, added to favorites, thanks for the link Geoff, much appreciated Thumbs Up [tup].

Andy

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Posted by Bounce19712 on Thursday, May 24, 2007 1:09 AM

crew intercom panels on the ceiling.....I am using the Cobra company panels which instructions for them say they were recessed into the ceiling.....

so does that mean gunner and crew chief had panels that had a faceplate mounted into the ceiling that faced to the rear? edit: faced center of cabin

 and that the ceiling was angled upward in a certain amount of squared space for the requisite recessed panel? 

so the little smooth square panels on the ceiling of the panda model of which the rest is covered with the diamond sound proofing material should be angled up into the ceiling and leading to the faceplate of the intercom dial/plug??

 

dome lights were located on the ceiling for gunner's stations? how many more on the ceiling?

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Posted by Melgyver on Thursday, May 24, 2007 3:41 PM

Bounce,

I don't have a Panda Kit to look at but the "faces" of the intercom panels face aft.  The "cut out" in the ceiling was square and didn't slope.  This allowed the removal of the box for replacement.  I attached a couple pictures one of the ceiling of a Charlie model to show the installation.  One box is mounted in the picture.  The other is a UH-1V with the blanket material hanging down where the intercom boxes go.  Roughly the outside aft corners of the jumpseats. Hope this was of some help.  I don't remember the positions of the dome lights in the cabin.  I may be able to go take pictures of a UH-1H in the near future.  I need to do a complete walk around.  The area directly below the top vents in the cabin area was an elongated "bowl" area with two round air vents.  Maybe just one vent?  CRS!

 

 

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 24, 2007 9:25 PM
 Bounce19712 wrote:

on occassion hueys were waxed....would this account for the gloss or semi-gloss appearance? as well as a factory gloss??

 Army vehicles of the period were all painted in a semi-gloss paint, FS# 24087.  But with time and wear on the the finish it would dull to a flat look.  Washing them in diesel would bring back some of that semi until it wore off or dust stuck back to it, which would bring back the flat look.

Here are a couple of pics of my restored 1967 M715 and 1967 M35 both painted in FS#24087 dark OD green

 

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Posted by Bounce19712 on Friday, May 25, 2007 3:09 AM

so this is what I've got going...is it correct?

 

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  • From: Lafayette, LA
Posted by Melgyver on Friday, May 25, 2007 11:02 AM

Unfortunately, you have the ICS boxes where the vents should be.  I edited your picture to show the approximate positions of the ICS boxes.

 

Clear Left!

Mel

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Posted by Bounce19712 on Friday, May 25, 2007 12:13 PM

great work Mel!!!

thanks for pointing that out....I've been working with tin foil and the Revell 1/32 sound proofing material....and have nearly completed transferring the Revell molded sound proof material on to the aft bulkheads...I'm gonna do the same for the ceiling...so those big holes I hacked into the roof will go away or become vents if I can re-create them somehow...

below are some results of the tin foil debacle, the homebuilt acetate chin bubble comparison (I used the baby monitor packaging from Fischer Price!), the chin bubble area rework, and the aft bulkheads

 

Vents!?? Vents!??  what do they look like?  air conditioning slats? or similar to the floor vents?

 

 

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    February 2007
Posted by skypirate1 on Friday, May 25, 2007 3:42 PM

Bounce,

Nice work with the Tin foil. Im working on the revell and was planning on adding a few bits to the padding in foil. Are you using standard foil or the adhesive stuff, as i cant find the adhesive foil in any of my hobby shops.

Does it stick with normal glue or do you need super glue?

great work

Andy

 

While the rest of the crew may be in the same predicament, it's almost always the pilot's job to arrive at the crash site first.
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    April 2007
Posted by Bounce19712 on Friday, May 25, 2007 8:16 PM

I used the cheap tin foil from Wally World

I used Elmer's glue.....

first I folded the edges around my subject area then scribed the crosshatches with my mark1Mod0 fingernail

 

 

 

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